Northern Australia could be opened to foreign airlines
Just because LAN has permission does not mean anybody can do it. As I said EK can't just fly around Europe as they please.
Off the top my head, tags that Emirates do include SIN-BNE, BKK-HKG, MXP-JFK, MLE-CMB.
Many European and Asian airlines have done tags in Australia, Thai also was operating BNE-SYD-BKK not that long ago.
without any reciprocation for Australian airlines
Airlines in Singapore, Malaysia, Thailand, and Hong Kong are not allowed to operate flights beyond Australia, however Australian carriers are from their countries.
At the end of the day BNEA320 is right where are they going to fly domestically anyway?
As for the argument "its only north of the tropic of Capricorn'. This is 2015 not 1942 and the Germans/Japanese lost the war. North of the tropic of Capricorn is thankfully still part of Australia. Australian airlines are under enough pressure without this b*llsh*t.
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At the end of the day BNEA320 is right where are they going to fly domestically anyway? The logical places would be BNE/SYD/MEL/ADL/PER, however there needs to be a business case for the additional expense to stop.
Last time I looked BNE, SYD, MEL, ADL & PER were all south of Tropic of Capricorn so don't apply.
At the end of the day BNEA320 is right where are they going to fly domestically anyway? The logical places would be BNE/SYD/MEL/ADL/PER, however there needs to be a business case for the additional expense to stop.
Last time I looked BNE, SYD, MEL, ADL & PER were all south of Tropic of Capricorn so don't apply.
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I think you'll find that Thai doing BNE_SYD_BKK means they can through carry the BNE pax to BKK, just as CX does/did ADL/MEL/HKG as well as BNE/CNS/HKG. It's not approval carry pax just between the domestic ports. I doubt QF is carrying domestic pax LAX/JFK.
Many airlines have had approval to do similar over the yrs.
I think you'll find that Thai doing BNE_SYD_BKK means they can through carry the BNE pax to BKK, just as CX does/did ADL/MEL/HKG as well as BNE/CNS/HKG. It's not approval carry pax just between the domestic ports. I doubt QF is carrying domestic pax LAX/JFK.
Many airlines have had approval to do similar over the yrs.
Depends on each carriers terms and conditions.
In regards to QF's LAX-JFK, if booked as a "multi city" trip, you can have the domestic bit as a stopover. I did MEL-LAX, stayed in California for a few days, then continued the LAX-JFK-LAX portion of my trip. Alot cheaper than booking the transcon separately, cheapest was $450 return on Virgin America, Qantas fare was only $1300 right through.
In regards to QF's LAX-JFK, if booked as a "multi city" trip, you can have the domestic bit as a stopover. I did MEL-LAX, stayed in California for a few days, then continued the LAX-JFK-LAX portion of my trip. Alot cheaper than booking the transcon separately, cheapest was $450 return on Virgin America, Qantas fare was only $1300 right through.
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No, it depends on the rules of the land.
You can fly transcon on QF because it's a tag sector of your international flight. But someone else can't buy the transcon separately on QF. They have to go to an American carrier. That's the whole point.
You can fly transcon on QF because it's a tag sector of your international flight. But someone else can't buy the transcon separately on QF. They have to go to an American carrier. That's the whole point.
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Yeah, but you're not a US national. You are on an international flight stopping over in NYC, not an American national buying a domestic ticket LAX_JFK!
What is being proposed here is allowing a foreign carrier to stop over in the north, pick DOM pax up and carry them to another port in Oz. I doubt there'll be that much interest in this unless there is some other carrot involved.
What is being proposed here is allowing a foreign carrier to stop over in the north, pick DOM pax up and carry them to another port in Oz. I doubt there'll be that much interest in this unless there is some other carrot involved.
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it could help open some very thin routes, eg.
DPS/DRW/MKY (once a week ?)
DPS/DRW/HTI (once a week ?)
DPS/DRW/PPP (once a week ?)
DPS/DRW/ROK (is ROK airport in the tropics or just south ?)
+ add extra services to
DPS/CNS with stop in DRW
+ DPS/DRW or DPS/BME or DPS/PHE with extension that could be an RPT flight but carry some FIFO's.
all carrying freight & be able to sell OZ domestic sectors. Some people on this forum are getting all exited about nothing.
Probably would only effect FIFO operators with routes solely north of tropic of Capricorn & into ports that could handle a B737 or A320.
DPS/DRW/MKY (once a week ?)
DPS/DRW/HTI (once a week ?)
DPS/DRW/PPP (once a week ?)
DPS/DRW/ROK (is ROK airport in the tropics or just south ?)
+ add extra services to
DPS/CNS with stop in DRW
+ DPS/DRW or DPS/BME or DPS/PHE with extension that could be an RPT flight but carry some FIFO's.
all carrying freight & be able to sell OZ domestic sectors. Some people on this forum are getting all exited about nothing.
Probably would only effect FIFO operators with routes solely north of tropic of Capricorn & into ports that could handle a B737 or A320.
And not to put to fine a point on it, that would leave which carriers to leap into these marginal routes with insufficient frequency to support advertising, ground staff, training, etc.?
This is an ill-concieved scheme that ignores all of the basic rules of both government and the marketplace.
This is an ill-concieved scheme that ignores all of the basic rules of both government and the marketplace.
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with TT now looking at AKL, where would they fly from in OZ ? TSV ?
Doubt if VA/NZ want them competing directly.
Or maybe they might take over some of the thinner routes ?
Will the alliance allow that ?
Mean TT is 100% owned by VA now.
Doubt if VA/NZ want them competing directly.
Or maybe they might take over some of the thinner routes ?
Will the alliance allow that ?
Mean TT is 100% owned by VA now.
Dr John Hewson has gone one step further today calling for any international airline to fly domestically anywhere in Australia.
Not really a balanced playing field if you look at the cost involved with running a foreign airline vs an Australian one. How does an Australian airline compete with a ME carrier who doesn't pay tax? Or with Singapore with low taxes and favourable depreciation scheduling?
Not to mention the regulatory costs involved for an Australian Airline with CASA vs what foreign airlines go through?
Domestic air travel: an opportunity that is just flying past us | afr.com
Not really a balanced playing field if you look at the cost involved with running a foreign airline vs an Australian one. How does an Australian airline compete with a ME carrier who doesn't pay tax? Or with Singapore with low taxes and favourable depreciation scheduling?
Not to mention the regulatory costs involved for an Australian Airline with CASA vs what foreign airlines go through?
Domestic air travel: an opportunity that is just flying past us | afr.com
The Harper review of competition law and regulation has given the Abbott government another chance to reboot its drive for higher productivity and economic efficiency across Australia – something now becoming a vital national priority. Harper lays out a series of reforms that at no fiscal cost can drive incomes and jobs in these dying days of the mining investment boom. Done quickly, many of the benefits from reform can even start flowing in time for the election.
Take Harper's recommendation to cut the red tape that stops foreign airlines from carrying passengers and cargo domestically. Even though our large and sparsely populated economy suffers under the tyranny of distance, we ban competition that could help set it free. We risk missing out on benefiting from the boom in Asian air travel as their incomes rise and costs plummet. By the end of this decade forecasts suggest we might be receiving 9 million tourists a year, but that is out of nearly 700 million visitors to the entire Asia Pacific region.
The ban means foreign airlines must travel with empty seats and cargo holds between Australian cities – or not fly at all. This capacity could be offered very cheaply, particularly on routes where most flight costs are covered by international passengers.
The ban hurts regional areas more than major cities, since they already face limited competition, resulting in poor service at high cost. A recent Productivity Commission report found that most international visitors don't leave major cities. Indeed, the numbers going to tropical Queensland fell 20 per cent between 2006 and 2014. A recent parliamentary committee recommended allowing foreign planes that fly overhead between Perth and Singapore to stop at Christmas Island for business. Similar arguments apply to northern airports, where major foreign airlines would be much more likely to drop by on their southern routes if they were allowed to do domestic trade.
Some market participants argue that the demand is not there, particularly since many tourists don't want the inconvenience of international security and customs on a domestic trip. But then, you don't need the ban: just let the market decide.
Nor can safety or security justify the ban. These planes already fly to our major cities. Few Australians would be concerned about getting on a cheap Singapore Airlines flight from Melbourne to Sydney. Most outrageously, foreign airlines are already allowed to transport their own passengers domestically following a stopover. So while someone on an international ticket can spend time in Perth and get a cheap ticket to Melbourne, a domestic tourist can't. Similarly, Hong Kong restaurants benefit from cheap Cairns seafood that Brisbane restaurants can't, because there is a ban on the foreign airline unloading on the domestic stopover.
The ban can be relaxed, such as when Ansett collapsed, suggesting reform could be done without risking the Senate.
Things will eventually change. Europe deregulated in the late 1990s, leading to a boom in low-cost air travel and tourism. Our ASEAN neighbours are looking at doing the same. It's just a question of when, not if, we too will change. With Qantas back to profitability, the current regulatory framework increasingly looks like a farce. And just like comedy, timing is the secret of good government.
John Hewson, an economist, was federal leader of the Liberal Party of Australia from 1990 to 1994.
Take Harper's recommendation to cut the red tape that stops foreign airlines from carrying passengers and cargo domestically. Even though our large and sparsely populated economy suffers under the tyranny of distance, we ban competition that could help set it free. We risk missing out on benefiting from the boom in Asian air travel as their incomes rise and costs plummet. By the end of this decade forecasts suggest we might be receiving 9 million tourists a year, but that is out of nearly 700 million visitors to the entire Asia Pacific region.
The ban means foreign airlines must travel with empty seats and cargo holds between Australian cities – or not fly at all. This capacity could be offered very cheaply, particularly on routes where most flight costs are covered by international passengers.
The ban hurts regional areas more than major cities, since they already face limited competition, resulting in poor service at high cost. A recent Productivity Commission report found that most international visitors don't leave major cities. Indeed, the numbers going to tropical Queensland fell 20 per cent between 2006 and 2014. A recent parliamentary committee recommended allowing foreign planes that fly overhead between Perth and Singapore to stop at Christmas Island for business. Similar arguments apply to northern airports, where major foreign airlines would be much more likely to drop by on their southern routes if they were allowed to do domestic trade.
Some market participants argue that the demand is not there, particularly since many tourists don't want the inconvenience of international security and customs on a domestic trip. But then, you don't need the ban: just let the market decide.
Nor can safety or security justify the ban. These planes already fly to our major cities. Few Australians would be concerned about getting on a cheap Singapore Airlines flight from Melbourne to Sydney. Most outrageously, foreign airlines are already allowed to transport their own passengers domestically following a stopover. So while someone on an international ticket can spend time in Perth and get a cheap ticket to Melbourne, a domestic tourist can't. Similarly, Hong Kong restaurants benefit from cheap Cairns seafood that Brisbane restaurants can't, because there is a ban on the foreign airline unloading on the domestic stopover.
The ban can be relaxed, such as when Ansett collapsed, suggesting reform could be done without risking the Senate.
Things will eventually change. Europe deregulated in the late 1990s, leading to a boom in low-cost air travel and tourism. Our ASEAN neighbours are looking at doing the same. It's just a question of when, not if, we too will change. With Qantas back to profitability, the current regulatory framework increasingly looks like a farce. And just like comedy, timing is the secret of good government.
John Hewson, an economist, was federal leader of the Liberal Party of Australia from 1990 to 1994.
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"With Qantas back to profitability". And there you have it. These F@ckwits see no further than that. What about the other participants in the domestic aviation industry? Who collectively employ more people than QF for a start. Yeah, I know, let's just sell the place off and kick back with our millions. 
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The AIPA submission on this issue is very thorough and well thought out - http://www.aipa.org.au/sites/default...-_may_2015.pdf
Domestic air travel: an opportunity that is just flying past us
John Hewson, an economist, was federal leader of the Liberal Party of Australia from 1990 to 1994.
A lot of this seems to be coming from an ideological push by certain individuals in the Government (eg Andrew Robb and Joe Hockey). Fair enough, but if we're going to be ideologically pure, let's extend it to government as well. Surely there are other countries which are better-governed than Australia, and other countries whose politicians are much cheaper than ours - none of those generous superannuation entitlements, travel and accommodation allowances, and so on. So as well as domestic aviation, let's outsource our goverment overseas as well. I'm sure Andrew and Joe won't mind a bit. 
Worth pointing out that Hewson is a member of the Trilateral Commission so I would suggest that he is not really interested in National Sovereignty issues on this matter. They are a globalist organisation so I would suggest that is the position he is coming from. Free trade, open borders, no impediments to business.
But of course this doesn't apply to higher echelons of business or government where we have to pay big money to get the 'best people available'.
But of course this doesn't apply to higher echelons of business or government where we have to pay big money to get the 'best people available'.
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Northern Australia could be opened up to foreign airlines
Well here is another one out of CNS starting December
Philippine Airlines launches Manila-Cairns-Auckland flights - Australian Business Traveller
Hasn't it already been opened up far and wide ?? I bet this is not the last either !!
Philippine Airlines launches Manila-Cairns-Auckland flights - Australian Business Traveller
Hasn't it already been opened up far and wide ?? I bet this is not the last either !!
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Yes, in fact why don't we just close all productive business in Australia, outsource all the work to Asia, and we can all become highly paid global economists. After all, economists contribute far more to a successful economy than those pesky unionised workers.
We would have 10 million fly-in fly-out workers from Asia on $5/week working in our coffee shops, our farms, and our boutique tailor shops making suits an economist would be proud to wear.
With 15 million economists in the country, we would become the global economic powerhouse. We would solve all the economic problems in the world. Australia, the go-to place for quality economic advice. After a short time we would surely then collectively agree (with John Hewson as PM) that we would be better off outsourcing all our economist labour to Asia, and then we could all retire as wealthy retired economists.
The Air Asia Australia A380s would be packed full of retired economists in and out of Hamilton Island 20 times per day. The golf courses full of retired economists with their Filipino caddys.
What a clever country we would be.
We would have 10 million fly-in fly-out workers from Asia on $5/week working in our coffee shops, our farms, and our boutique tailor shops making suits an economist would be proud to wear.
With 15 million economists in the country, we would become the global economic powerhouse. We would solve all the economic problems in the world. Australia, the go-to place for quality economic advice. After a short time we would surely then collectively agree (with John Hewson as PM) that we would be better off outsourcing all our economist labour to Asia, and then we could all retire as wealthy retired economists.
The Air Asia Australia A380s would be packed full of retired economists in and out of Hamilton Island 20 times per day. The golf courses full of retired economists with their Filipino caddys.
What a clever country we would be.