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Old 1st Aug 2015, 03:21
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My predictions is that the A380 will be off DFW before 2020 and the 787 will be doing it either twice daily out of Sydney or one each from Sydney and Melbourne.
Sounds like a good idea in part but no first,less J and twice the support for 2 jets. The premium classes defines the dfw service
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There were many people working on the 787 introduction in Jetstar even when it became obvious the thing was going to be delayed. Until the executive say stop it will be full steam ahead.
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Talk of P/C on the 787. Not sure if that will pan out though.
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Old 1st Aug 2015, 04:03
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The 350 is the right aeroplane for Jetstar. The 787/777
Is the right aeroplane for qantas.

Ever thought the 350s may be for Jetstar, and the existing 787s might be punted back to qantas as domestic 330 replacements? Jetstar only have 'widebody' described in the EBA.

Is the 777 included in the new QF LH EBA as the 787, being a common type rating?

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Old 1st Aug 2015, 04:55
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Does anyone know the true cruising speed of the A350 (not the manufacturer's stated figure)? With QF planning a lot of ULR flights, the cruise speed becomes critical because of crew duty limitations. The B787 is a true M0.85 cruise and can cruise faster without significant fuel penalty. That is what the A350 must cruise at to be able to operate the sectors that QF management are planning which are near the crew duty limits (a CASA exemption will be required for some sectors).

Airbus always insisted that the A380 would climb to F350 at max weight and cruise at M0.85 - yes, it can do that, but not in an operational sense so it's desirable to know what the true capabilities of the A350 are.

Is the 777 included in the new QF LH EBA as the 787, being a common type rating?
GG, the new EBA is specific that those conditions are for the B787 only so if any other type (eg B777X or A350) is ordered, then negotiations will have to held to determine the T's & C's for the new type.
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Even so, a case could be made by management for fleet pay for 787/777 and mixed flying such as 757/767, A330/340.
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You forgot that the Boeing CCQ includes the NG/787/777. Most crew for the 787 will come from the NG. Short course endorsement.
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Most crew for the 787 will come from the NG. Short course endorsement.
I think most will come from the A330...... they have the seniority.
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There will be no short course for NG to 787. In fact the course will be longer as we all know shorthaul know nothing about international flying or big jets
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In fact the course will be longer as we all know shorthaul know nothing about international flying or big jets
That's unfortunate. Perhaps they can do some study in their transits.
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Old 2nd Aug 2015, 11:15
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There will be no short course for NG to 787. In fact the course will be longer as we all know shorthaul know nothing about international flying or big jets
Apparently a certain manager wasn't a fan of the 737 -> 787 short course idea, and was subsequently shown the door!

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Apparently PP wasn't a fan of the short course idea, and was subsequently shown the door!
Really? He found a pretty short course for the 767 FOs going to the 380!
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Qantas definitely getting 789's and also more 78?'s for Jetstar to be announced!
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Old 2nd Aug 2015, 23:46
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Qantas definitely getting 789's and also more 78?'s for Jetstar to be announced!
Gareth Evans has stated that Jetstar may get the three deferred B787-8's to make a total of 14 but they wouldn't be getting any B787-9's because the extra capacity/range of the -9 is not required for JQ services.
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Actually GB they would come in very handy for Hawaii. Rumour has it JQ are keeping a couple of 330s for the route until they can get some 9s.
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May help JQ stop the bleeding on HNL. The loads for JQ on that route on the days qantas operates are appalling. On the days QF operate they generally have 15-25 empty seats. JQ on those days often has 100+.
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GG, I'm only passing on what I heard (directly, not hearsay) from Gareth Evans and he is high enough to know what the fleet plans are for the entire group. He also said that the LCC model only works up to a certain range and although he didn't say what that range is, I got the strong impression that it's shorter than SYD-HNL.
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I think it was in the LH EA FAQ's where it was stated that JQ won't be getting any more 787's.
That must be tempered with the fact that it was in a document supposed to sell the EA, but that is what it said.

I heard a rumour just yesterday that all the 787's were going to come to QF, including the JQ ones. I don't believe it for a second, but it to is a rumour, and if Goblin's could be true, I guess this one could be also.
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Keg,

A little cheeky (and out of character from what I've seen of your posts in the past) to just post simplistic figures.

Looking at the QF website, it shows that all 4 weekly QF-operated flights to/from HNL are operated by A332s. The same website states that the configuration of these aircraft is 235 seats.

It goes on to say that JQ operate 5 weekly services to HNL from three cities. The 332s are configured in 303 seats, the B788s are about 330 seats.

Blow me down if the resultant isn't the same average load (as stated by you) or - heaven forbid - 20 or 30 more bums on seats (depending on which aircraft type is operating on the day).
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Airbus always insisted that the A380 would climb to F350 at max weight and cruise at M0.85 - yes, it can do that, but not in an operational sense so it's desirable to know what the true capabilities of the A350 are.
Going Boeing, LRC in the A350 is M0.85, so it is every bit as capable as the 787, perhaps even more so. Looking forward to getting my hands on it from next Feb.
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