Qantas Fleet Order Speculation
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The Boeing product is the BMW of the sky.
From a recent briefing:
No chance of more 380's
738 replacement doesn't need to be ordered for a few more years as the fleet still has some life in it
Decision between 350/777/787 in differing combos for long haul replacement and some EXPANSION
Numbers suggest recruitment within 18 months
No chance of more 380's
738 replacement doesn't need to be ordered for a few more years as the fleet still has some life in it
Decision between 350/777/787 in differing combos for long haul replacement and some EXPANSION
Numbers suggest recruitment within 18 months
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the 787 seems to be the hub buster QF needs. No one wants to fly via bloody awful SYD to go anywhere. What a joke SYD is.
If QF Int can be a little less SYD centric, it might even survive.
If QF Int can be a little less SYD centric, it might even survive.
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QF will always be "SYD centric".
The Hyundai of the skies is most certainly the embraer.
The Airbus is the BMW and the Boeing the Cadillac. Airbus follows the Euro phillosophy. Plenty of electronics and fancy technology to do the job. The Boeing has always been very basic. Like a Cadillac. Crude, but they do the job.
I much prefer the Airbus flight deck. It's a nicer place to be sitting on your arse stretching out for hours on end.
The Boeing might be a little nicer to hand fly, but it's such a small proportion of the flight I'd rather be comfortable for the rest.
The Airbus is the BMW and the Boeing the Cadillac. Airbus follows the Euro phillosophy. Plenty of electronics and fancy technology to do the job. The Boeing has always been very basic. Like a Cadillac. Crude, but they do the job.
I much prefer the Airbus flight deck. It's a nicer place to be sitting on your arse stretching out for hours on end.
The Boeing might be a little nicer to hand fly, but it's such a small proportion of the flight I'd rather be comfortable for the rest.
The Airbus reminds me exactly of the pice of crap BMW that I used to own...nice looking thing, good reputation, but plagued with spurious cautions, chimes, messages and advisories. You ignore these at your peril but almost all are fixed by a reset of one damned thing or another. Or a very expensive replacement of lightweight part with a poor service life.
Anyway...enough of the car analogies. I imagine that Qantas is in the catbird seat with Boeing, but would be a suplicant with Airbus if it really wanted to convert some of its massive A320 family order book to A350s. Can you imagine being able to bargain a good price from a position of weakness?
Anyway...enough of the car analogies. I imagine that Qantas is in the catbird seat with Boeing, but would be a suplicant with Airbus if it really wanted to convert some of its massive A320 family order book to A350s. Can you imagine being able to bargain a good price from a position of weakness?
In the selection of a type for point-to-point hub-busting routes the B787 is a better size over the A350 - especially for developing new routes (not to mention the particularly good price that Qantas negotiated for the B787).
In the selection of a type to replace the B747 AND A380, the B777-9X is a clear winner over the A350 due to being bigger with lower seat mile costs. An indication of this is the fact that Emirates (which had a huge input in the design of the A350) has cancelled all A350 orders and became a launch customer for the B777-9X (with a massive order).
When you throw in some engineering commonality and flight deck design commonality (with a probable dual endorsement), it is hard to see QF having anything but those two types in its International fleet in 10 years time.
In the selection of a type to replace the B747 AND A380, the B777-9X is a clear winner over the A350 due to being bigger with lower seat mile costs. An indication of this is the fact that Emirates (which had a huge input in the design of the A350) has cancelled all A350 orders and became a launch customer for the B777-9X (with a massive order).
When you throw in some engineering commonality and flight deck design commonality (with a probable dual endorsement), it is hard to see QF having anything but those two types in its International fleet in 10 years time.
Not often you hear anyone wish QF had 777s?
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Any view on the
787-10 v 787-9
More pax versus a lower range (7000nm v 8500nm)
Both can seemingly reach JNB, DXB, LAX, SCL (albeit just for DXB on the -10)
Only existing destination that the -9 could do is DFW
(all assuming CASA approves ETOPS330 - but I suspect the fact that LA is already using the 787 on SCL adds political capital
GCMAP from SYD for 7000nm and 8500nm
http://www.gcmap.com/map?P=&R=7000nm...s&MR=1800&PM=*
787-10 v 787-9
More pax versus a lower range (7000nm v 8500nm)
Both can seemingly reach JNB, DXB, LAX, SCL (albeit just for DXB on the -10)
Only existing destination that the -9 could do is DFW
(all assuming CASA approves ETOPS330 - but I suspect the fact that LA is already using the 787 on SCL adds political capital
GCMAP from SYD for 7000nm and 8500nm
http://www.gcmap.com/map?P=&R=7000nm...s&MR=1800&PM=*
Last edited by moa999; 26th Apr 2015 at 02:27. Reason: fix map
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(Dream?)liner...its you!
787-9 is the right plane. QF needs the range flexibility
A sufficiently bargain-priced, smaller-capacity type that can be mainly filled up in off-peak (most of the year) times, unlike the excess-capacity Dugong, while then having the option to drive up yield when peak demand enables higher pricing.
There is nothing so sad as seeing an aeroplane flying long sectors around half full a significant percentage of time.
It seems that some people just can't let go of the QF and B777 thing.
It's time to let it goooooooo.
It's time to let it goooooooo.
:PG
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There is nothing so sad as seeing an aeroplane flying long sectors around half full a significant percentage of time.
Trouble is they just book EK next time and never come back.
If you're getting cold feet in the Airbus you don't know your systems and you're turning the footwell vents and flight deck window vents off.
Let the temperature controller do its job regulating the temperature and leave them on and you'll never have cold feet again!
Let the temperature controller do its job regulating the temperature and leave them on and you'll never have cold feet again!
Bargain basement prices
Does any Ppruner know what price Qantas secured 787's at Vs the current price?
Just curious as it's always bandied about but I've never seen the figures...
(Could be because I spam file ITN Pravda
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Thanks in advance..
Just curious as it's always bandied about but I've never seen the figures...
(Could be because I spam file ITN Pravda
)Thanks in advance..
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^ Jetstar use 2 doors and have a different cabin cleaning and catering standard (i.e. none)
You'll also find on NZ domestic there cleaning standard is the same as Jetstar, the crew doing in the air. Seats are all black leather, they only put 2x bathrooms etc on board.
Under pressure NZ domestic can do an A320 turn around in 25minutes.
Interesting to read last Friday United has converted an order for 10 x B787s into 10 x B777-300ERs. Delta in discussing the B787 recently mentioned fuel consideration is only one of its fleet metrics.
Is the B787 novelty starting to wear thin ?
Is the B787 novelty starting to wear thin ?
