Would it happen here?
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Regulation will probably be based on pax seats and ignore freighters and ferry flights. Thus no real solution, just rubbish.
You freighter guys are all above suspicion
You freighter guys are all above suspicion
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In the plus side it may increase CRM for FA's who dislike pilots and never bother to come to the flight deck??
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Well this new requirement has just provided the simplest way for 911 to be repeated, via the casually employed flight attendant.
Well done!
Well done!
I cannot recall the above situation happening before in my career.
I remember when these doors first came in there was a requirement for 2 in the flight deck at all times. The requirement faded away over time.
Another solution- fingerprint readers on the doors to allow for immediate access to authorised persons (tech crew only). Just have the crew log their prints prior to departure. Keep other current means. Surely the technology is out there.
Another solution- fingerprint readers on the doors to allow for immediate access to authorised persons (tech crew only). Just have the crew log their prints prior to departure. Keep other current means. Surely the technology is out there.
A touch ID is a flawed as a hijacker could place the crew members finger there. Additionally, some aircraft have dead bolts in case the door locking system is unserviceable hence, the only way to gain access to the cockpit is for the door to unbolted from the inside.
What concerns me most, is that essentially, the government is saying - "we don't trust pilots".
Surely cabin crew are just as likely to be depressed or psychologically disturbed, stressed or what ever. This new policy says- "Pilots - Untrustworthy - Cabin crew trustworthy therefore problem solved.(said with sarcasm)
What concerns me most, is that essentially, the government is saying - "we don't trust pilots".
Surely cabin crew are just as likely to be depressed or psychologically disturbed, stressed or what ever. This new policy says- "Pilots - Untrustworthy - Cabin crew trustworthy therefore problem solved.(said with sarcasm)
Erm.....yes,agree with most of the above re window dressing and appearing to be actively doing something,anything,without actually addressing the real issue.
A lot of this stuff,IMHO,seems to be being driven by legal departments and risk analyses to litigate-proof an organisation in the slim eventuality of a repeat event or similar.
I don't pretend to be knowledgable about the functions or processes of these departments,but it seems to me that if the chances of having a weirdo on the flight deck are "X",surely if you double the number of people in a particular situation,ie a wee break,you also double the risk,or at the very least not mitigate or reduce that risk at all.
You could even argue that the risk would be increased...perhaps?
A lot of this stuff,IMHO,seems to be being driven by legal departments and risk analyses to litigate-proof an organisation in the slim eventuality of a repeat event or similar.
I don't pretend to be knowledgable about the functions or processes of these departments,but it seems to me that if the chances of having a weirdo on the flight deck are "X",surely if you double the number of people in a particular situation,ie a wee break,you also double the risk,or at the very least not mitigate or reduce that risk at all.
You could even argue that the risk would be increased...perhaps?
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many underutilised pilots
Wondering whether there are enough unemployed/LWOP/resting/whatever pilots to make it possible and economic for airlines to have at least one flight attendant on board who is also qualified to be a second pilot whenever the front office is temporarily understaffed.
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So much speculation; OK he was breathing, did not respond to ATC requests or the door, and made a control input. How does that all add up to the extraordinary speculative and hysterical attempt to find a mental health issue, and what business is it of ours (the public) until a proper investigation has been finished? Just as in the criminal justice system we have to wait until the committal and the trial before a verdict is announced, and to respect the man's and his family's right to this investigation and some privacy until the facts are there.
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2 on the flight deck
The commercial implications of this knee jerk decision will be significant. Sydney to Melbourne at any time for example (consider breakfast when nature may be a little more likely to call), pilot calls cabin advising need for a visit. Extracting a crew member from the flat out service schedule must have an impact on the inflight product.
Secondly, sole pilot remains, supposedly looking forward at the instruments/windshield at all times whilst cabin crew member grabs crash axe or an oxy bottle to use as a weapon on the guy who still needs to pee.
Or they use one of the self defence techniques taught in their security training to disable the remaining pilot.
Or they use their belt to strangle remaining pilot.
Or they bring a utensil from the..........
Well thought out minister (and airline management).
Secondly, sole pilot remains, supposedly looking forward at the instruments/windshield at all times whilst cabin crew member grabs crash axe or an oxy bottle to use as a weapon on the guy who still needs to pee.
Or they use one of the self defence techniques taught in their security training to disable the remaining pilot.
Or they use their belt to strangle remaining pilot.
Or they bring a utensil from the..........
Well thought out minister (and airline management).
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You are all in denial. The pilot less/remote controlled airliner is the future.
Trust comes from the people in the seats with the best view of the world wanting to go to the same place as everyone else aboard. SLF wants to share in that belief - the Germanwings pilot who got up post this catastrophe and said as much to the entire cabin prior to pushback was selling the punters what they desperately wanted to buy needed to hear. (see here: Germanwings plane crash: Passenger describes captain's emotional speech to passengers day after disaster - Europe - World - The Independent)
Love the BS that just came from management. "after risk assessment........ Blah blah blah scra blah blah blah smacko blah blah blah two in cockpit at all times blah blah blah" so WTF was the risk ass department doing last week and for the last how many years on this issue. Last week trusted and this week not. Oxygen thieves!
Window dressing CR@P.
As Pilat said
Interesting point about controlled rest is also made.
Window dressing CR@P.
As Pilat said
Lets be honest, anyone who flies Aircraft should know (without giving pointless examples), if you really want to crash your Aircraft, you'll do it, even if the guy next to you is strapped into their seat.
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Damn! So we're now going to have to bring in the F/As on the whole chemtrails secret....
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I actually believe this to be a reduction of safety, honestly, there are plenty of cans of worms in this regulation, and I will write to my federal member tonight. It is ludicrous. I know for a fact I won't be concentrating as much on primary flight instruments as I will be half turned around to keep an eye on sometimes is a complete stranger in there with me. On the upside good Cabin managers will make the cutest girls do it, so what the hell, there's always a silver lining!
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So when the fare paying passenger now safely arrives at their destination, they happily ride in a taxi with....only one driver!
Taxi drivers don't get checked annually for mental illness.
What if the taxi driver.......well you can guess the rest.
A taxi driver is now trusted more than a pilot.
Well done Australia
Taxi drivers don't get checked annually for mental illness.
What if the taxi driver.......well you can guess the rest.
A taxi driver is now trusted more than a pilot.
Well done Australia