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Bleeding heart delays flight deporting illegal immigrant

Old 3rd Mar 2015, 11:40
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Qantas have done the right thing. To inconvenience literally 1000's of passengers (keeping in mind that all flights are interlinked) - and to disrupt the smooth operation of an airport and commercial flying operations - is the aviation equivalent of a builders labourers strike organised to commence, right as a major concrete pour starts.

These QF pax definitely set out to cause strife and disruption, and were obviously intent on inflicting their minority view on the majority via that major disruption.
The fact that these people are associated with a group involved in social justice issues is merely reinforcement of general opinion that they intended to create disruption as regards the deportation of the individual, and to focus media attention on the deportation.

As well-stated by a previous poster, these social justice groups and individuals seek to impose their minority views on the majority, and to override and disrupt substantial legally-approved and legislated immigration processes that are lengthy and considered.
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Old 3rd Mar 2015, 12:30
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a tinpot democracy that can't even balance a budget."
lol, I'm Australian I happened to be in Santa Barbara when I registered. I liked the years when we had budget surpluses, now we're a South Pacific joke.
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Old 3rd Mar 2015, 13:45
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Ah!
There's someone who knows all about fiscal as well as social responsibilities.
They need people like that over in the States (hint, hint).
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Old 3rd Mar 2015, 15:25
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"seek to impose their minority views on the majority"

Which is how most progressive change occurs.

Unless you simply want mob rule?
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Old 3rd Mar 2015, 21:14
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Cool Fugitive

The last time I looked,interfering with the safe operation of a flight was a Federal offence.
The more you allow fools like this to break the law the more they will repeat their stupidity which in this case is an offence.
They should be prosecuted and banned from flying aboard any aircraft,I not permanently,then for a long period of time.
The offence should also carry a hefty fine and Qantas should show that when they talk about safety they mean it; ban them permanently.
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Old 3rd Mar 2015, 22:12
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Demanding to get off an aircraft prior to pushback is NOT interfering with the safe operation of an aircraft. It is nothing other than a commercial inconvenience to the operator.

Just because you don't approve of their cause doesn't give you the right to make wild and inaccurate safety accusations.
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Old 3rd Mar 2015, 22:13
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There's someone who knows all about fiscal as well as social responsibilities.
They need people like that over in the States (hint, hint).
I pay my bills on time & I like the country's borders protected if that's what you mean?
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Old 3rd Mar 2015, 22:35
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I rather think that several of these loony protesters are actually posting here on PPRuNe.


Demanding to get off an aircraft at pushback for medical reasons is probably acceptable, demanding to get off an aircraft at pushback for political protest reasons definitely isn't, as it involves unreasonable interference with the flight and other passengers and is a deliberate attempt to disrupt, the No Fly list is the way to go. Prosecution? yes, if a legal case can be made.
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Old 3rd Mar 2015, 22:36
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And in recent developments, Herald Sun today reports on a Jetstar flight that was forced to turn back to Melbourne on Sunday night because of an unruly passenger drinking and smoking onboard. The passenger has since been placed on the no-fly list, and will be unable to travel with the Qantas Group until further notice.



We don't put up with these morons at the footy, they are bounced out of the stadium and banned, why shouldn't they be banned from traveling as well?

This course of action needs to be widely publicised. If people knew in advance that they may face a ban then might not play up in the first place.

I remember, not so long ago, I was operating a late flight from Perth to Sydney. There was an issue on the aero bridge when a business punter was borderline on whether he would be allowed on. He had a few under his belt but was coherent, ambulatory and compliant. He was quizzed by the gate staff and CSM but assured everyone to their satisfaction that all he wanted to do was sleep for the next four hours.

You make a call on the day based on your experience and he appeared low risk.

Just after top of climb I went back to the loo. Before I got there I found the CSM and this "gentleman" in heated discussion. Apparently he didn't like the CSM's attitude in calling into question his fitness to fly and while not physically abusive, yet, the situation was deteriorating rapidly.

When he saw me he started into me wanting to know what I was going to do about it. I explained to the person concerned that the CSM was doing his job. As for what I was going to do,

"Well sir, do you know where we are exactly"?

"No"

"Actually we just passed over Kalgoorlie"?

"So"

"Well sir, you see that is now our closest diversion airfield".

Nothing in reply, I think he was starting to process what he was hearing.

"You see sir, we are about to divert there in order to offload an unreasonable and abusive passenger".

Beginning to turn a shade of white.

"Now do you know what will happen when we arrive"?

Almost imperceptible shake of the head reminiscent of a schoolboy about to get the cane.

"Well sir, we'll be met by several Kalgoorlie coppers, and have you seen the size of a Kalgoorlie copper?"

"No......."

"Well let's just say I wouldn't want to mess with them. They will come on board once we land and frogmarch our abusive passenger off the plane, in front of the rest of the passengers. They will then throw him in the cells for the night."

"The aircraft will then continue on the Sydney, sans abusive passenger, but that won't be the end of it."

"Really?"

"Oh no, you see that passenger will find himself on a no fly list meaning the only way to get back to Perth will be to hitchhike. Qantas will then seek to recover the cost of diversion of the flight from the person causing the diversion. That can run into several thousand dollars. Also, the media will probably want to know why the flight diverted, resulting in the passengers name and details of the whole event will be splashed all over The West Australian."

"Oh"

Several seconds later the man was shaking the CSMs hand and apologising. He slept the rest of the way.

You see, faced with the harsh reality of the consequences of one's actions, most people will tow the line.

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Old 3rd Mar 2015, 22:40
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"some Prong" cracking expression ok: is that because they're FORKing idiots?

People know and understand the T's and C's before they arrive at the carrier
They have an obligation to all fellow-travellers. If they choose to inconvenience and disrupt the travel-arrangements of maybe hundreds of strangers, they deserve a forceful lesson in consideration of fellow-citizens and prompt ejection.
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Old 3rd Mar 2015, 23:00
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I rather think that several of these loony protesters are actually posting here on PPRuNe.
Yes, then"Loony Left" infects all of Australian society, even PPRuNe.

"some Prong" cracking expression ok: is that because they're FORKing idiots?
Exactly!
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Old 4th Mar 2015, 00:06
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Demanding to get off an aircraft prior to pushback is NOT interfering with the safe operation of an aircraft.
It has nothing to do with commercial considerations, if an aircraft can't push back because a pax is demanding to get off, said passenger is interfering with the safe operation of a flight.
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Old 4th Mar 2015, 00:23
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"seek to impose their minority views on the majority"

Which is how most progressive change occurs.
"Progressive" is a subjective term. I think some people like to describe themselves as "progressive" because it's self-congratulatory and theoretically hard to argue with - "You mean you don't believe in being progressive? Seriously?" A bit like defining your views as "enlightened".

Unless you simply want mob rule?
Ugly term, "mob rule". But what else is democracy, if not a form of mob rule? I'd argue that most of the world's nastier dictatorships have started out with a minority imposing their views on the majority.
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Old 4th Mar 2015, 00:41
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"seek to impose their minority views on the majority"

Which is how most progressive change occurs.
There are ways to introduce changes to laws regarded as unfair or oppressive, that do not involve disruption to innocent peoples travelling schedules and plans, that do not create unnecessary cost to businesses, and that do not interfere with the smooth operation of large concerns such as the aviation industry.

However, there are always "social justice" groups who insist on indulging in the above tactics, to ensure their views gain wide exposure, with the final aim of ensuring that the laws of the society they live in, are re-adjusted to make great concessions, to accommodate the views of those of the permanently-offended set.
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Old 4th Mar 2015, 01:32
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I think I'll buy a biz jet and put a proposal to the gummint to do all these transfers away from the public eye.

It's only got to be a matter of time before airlines decide they're not worth the trouble.....
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Old 4th Mar 2015, 02:47
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It has nothing to do with commercial considerations, if an aircraft can't push back because a pax is demanding to get off, said passenger is interfering with the safe operation of a flight.
I guess we'll have to disagree.

Putting a passenger on a no-fly list for the reasons above is nothing other than a commercial consideration.

If it was a federal offence, they would be charged. Have they been charged with a federal offence? No. Because they didn't commit one. The aircraft was still at the gate.

Next you'll be trying to tell me you are interfering with the safe operation of a flight if you are late to board, thus delaying the aircraft.
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Old 4th Mar 2015, 06:39
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OK, it is a commercial decision then.

A no fly list shared with Virgin.

Enjoy the bus, di#%*}][*
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Old 4th Mar 2015, 08:19
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Has anyone noticed that the chinless dickwits seem to have disappeared?

Maybe they have waded into the wrong swamp.

No Christine Milne and other Hare Clark preference elected wankers in here to protect them.

Aaaargh - time the noisy minority was bitch slapped until the bleed

Best all

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Old 4th Mar 2015, 10:55
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The bottom line EW Loco, is that they have no valid argument and know it, they are just coming out of their perceived righteous nests in an attempt to defend the indefensible. Failed on all quarters with pathetic 'what if' irrelevant nonsense.
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Old 4th Mar 2015, 12:02
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Yes, then"Loony Left" infects all of Australian society, even PPRuNe.
How about you take your puerile political discussions across to JetBlast where you can have your circle jerk in peace?
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