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Old 3rd Mar 2015, 01:42
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Don, most of your previous argument is ramble about a dead criminal who had NOTHING to do with the events reported above and most of your contribution is therefore not worth responding to.

But . . . . .

"No fly lists exist to protect the travelling public from the Man Haron Monis's of this world"

Are you suggesting the person in this article posed a similar threat as a confirmed murderer simply because he politely requested to vacate the aircraft, something he has the right to do unless Australian law now permits airlines to take hostages?

"He is now regarded as being a threat to the security of passengers that would fly with him."

No, at no stage was he considered a threat to security and nothing in this article or any news media report about the event implies any sort of threat existed.

These people delayed a flight and should be dealt with accordingly. Perhaps QF will leave the ban in place and these people will be required to fly Virgin instead.

But next time, lets not draw parallels between someone wishing to leave an aircraft after ETD with someone who committed murder.

Jenna, you really make valued contributions to the world and for that I thank you.
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Old 3rd Mar 2015, 01:54
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oicur12.again:

"If he was genuinely wanting to "Boycott" the carrier"

My parents would love to boycott QF for many reasons but are doomed to fly QF because of the huge number of points they have. Maybe this guy is in a similar position.

But more importantly, where in the article did it state that he trying to boycott QF?

You guys really want a police state huh?
Firstly, I made no reference to the no fly list etc - so not sure how my post can be tied in to the nanny state argument.

Whilst I agree the word "boycott" was not used in the article, one could reasonably assume that by removing ones self from an aircraft which you had originally elected (and paid) to travel on by your own choosing would constitute a refusal (boycott) to travel with this carrier.

Ignoring that, my point was simply pointing out that this gentlemen and his peers were so outraged that QF was assisting with the deportation transfer, that they removed themselves from the flight, refusing to travel on this carrier. But magically, when there was no scene to make, they were more than happy to return with the same company. You either object to the companies practices or you don't.

Plus surely QF points could just be cashed out into vouchers if the thought of flying QF is so offensive.
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Old 3rd Mar 2015, 02:10
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"If QF placed some folks on the no fly list as a result of a standup protest by a bunch of well meaning hippies then the Australians have become more paranoid than I thought."


Nah, we are not paranoid. Some of us are just becoming tired of well meaning hippies who selfishly disrupt our travel schedule to make political points that the majority disagree with. To take this article as reported:


  • Leary and his travel companion arrive at the airport and then are 'given information'
  • But they board anyway
  • A third person (apparently) arcs up with an on-board protest
  • So, she at least had planned it
  • Leary and companion join the protest (on the spur of the moment?) by asking to disembark
  • The airline cops a delay, passengers inconvenienced, possible 'knock on' effect with connecting flight
  • Deportee still gets deported
If some idiot pulled the emergency stop on a crowded commuter train for no good reason, would there not be consequences? At the very least a heavy fine.
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Old 3rd Mar 2015, 02:39
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There have to be consequences for anyone who decides on a whim not to travel at the last minute.
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Old 3rd Mar 2015, 02:40
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Oicur12.

You continue to quote the article.

The article was written in response to an interview given by the protestor.

You fail to see that maybe, just maybe, the article is a little biased in Mr Leary's favour. I'm offering you the facts of the incident but instead you hold fast to the "facts" of an article from a position of bias.

Maybe you believe the Earth is flat too.

There are none so blind as those that will not see.
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Old 3rd Mar 2015, 02:40
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Nah, we are not paranoid.
Unfortunately Australia has become a nation of terror fearing rednecks. Just look at what happens to Abbott in the polls when he plays the terrorism card.

Sri Lankan asylum seekers returned by Australia are generally charged with leaving the country illegally and those found guilty face “rigorous imprisonment”. The sentence for those proved to have left illegally is two years of rigorous imprisonment and a fine.

I don't think there's anything wrong with not wanting to be involved with that.
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Old 3rd Mar 2015, 02:45
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Nah, we are not paranoid.
Unfortunately Australia has become a nation of terror fearing rednecks. Just look at what happens to Abbott in the polls when he plays the terrorism card.

Sri Lankan asylum seekers returned by Australia are generally charged with leaving the country illegally and those found guilty face “rigorous imprisonment”. The sentence for those proved to have left illegally is two years of rigorous imprisonment and a fine.

I don't think there's anything wrong with not wanting to be involved with that.
And that is your right to your opinion. If enough people think like you and want an open door policy then vote Green. Who knows, one day you might get enough political clout to form government and change the law. Until that time we live in a democracy that values our right to have a say in who moves here from overseas and under what circumstances.
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Old 3rd Mar 2015, 02:59
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Don - you say "the article is a little biased.

Yep, and so is the source of your info mate. It all is.

Were you there? No, then stop pretending you have the "facts". You just choose to believe whatever you are told to fit your view of the story. The opposite side of the argument is trying to form an opinion based on what information is available.

The guy you are arguing with started off by saying "as written".
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Old 3rd Mar 2015, 03:01
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Forgot to mention this too Don . . .

"Until that time we live in a democracy that values our right to have a say in who moves here from overseas and under what circumstances."

Actually mate just because you think you elected the leaders in Canberra does not mean you then get to tell them who who moves here from overseas . . .

its not a committee.
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Old 3rd Mar 2015, 03:01
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Sri Lankan asylum seekers returned by Australia are generally charged with leaving the country illegally and those found guilty face “rigorous imprisonment”. The sentence for those proved to have left illegally is two years of rigorous imprisonment and a fine?
And why shouldn't they be charged? Do you reckon Australians leaving Australia illegally wouldn't be charged for doing the same? Or any other country whether developed or not?

It's not much wonder Australians are increasingly ill thought of around the world, other nations have had a gutful of being dictated to from a tinpot democracy that can't even balance a budget.
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Old 3rd Mar 2015, 03:04
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Metroman said

These bleeding heart left wingers have already caused enough trouble
How do you know he doesn't vote LNP? Or PUP? Or...
Bloody lefties, causing trouble, everyone should vote as I do because I'm right!

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Old 3rd Mar 2015, 03:12
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Don - you say "the article is a little biased.

Yep, and so is the source of your info mate. It all is.

Were you there? No, then stop pretending you have the "facts". You just choose to believe whatever you are told to fit your view of the story. The opposite side of the argument is trying to form an opinion based on what information is available.

The guy you are arguing with started off by saying "as written".
Really. You know that for sure. I'm not saying what my part in the episode was. Suffice to say I was a lot closer to it than you mate.

Forgot to mention this too Don . . .

"Until that time we live in a democracy that values our right to have a say in who moves here from overseas and under what circumstances."

Actually mate just because you think you elected the leaders in Canberra does not mean you then get to tell them who who moves here from overseas . . .

its not a committee.
I don't tell the politicians what to do, public opinion does. At this point in time the vast majority of public opinion believes in a hard line on immigration. Our laws reflect that. Mate!
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Old 3rd Mar 2015, 07:27
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IsDon,
You seem to have a magnetic personality - you've drawn them out of the woodwork.
Moths to a flame, as it were.

I think it's pretty apparent to anybody not pushing an agenda, what really went on.

I got a particular chuckle from one American's outburst...
"(Australia) - a tinpot democracy that can't even balance a budget."
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Old 3rd Mar 2015, 07:59
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Mr Leary works for a social justice organisation but denied he had prior knowledge of the protest or that his actions were part of the publicity stunt.
I am in no doubt he knew EXACTLY what was planned before he got to the airport and he may have even been implicit in the planning of what took place.

He at least should grow a pair and admit he was indeed part of the protest.
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Old 3rd Mar 2015, 08:10
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Sounds like a small accident with back of a chinless wonder's scone and a fire bottle would have been logical.

These clowns are the illegal immigrant "protectors" who believe they can do anything they like and impact any other person they like despite due legal process according to the LAWS of the land whether they like it or not have been followed. Sort of reffo-nazis, just like another well known group are enviro nazis.

Aerobridges are distressing. You don't get the nice thud at the bottom of the steps.

I hope the "don't fly" is passed to all other carriers. Disregard of the command and authority of Captain of the aeroplane is not excusable and if such becomes public knowledge as being acceptable and a viable form of protest, who knows what level of wallies such action will attract. Worse still what elevated level of action it will engender.

Idiots

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Old 3rd Mar 2015, 08:22
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Bravo EW

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Old 3rd Mar 2015, 08:46
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I got a particular chuckle from one American's outburst...
"(Australia) - a tinpot democracy that can't even balance a budget."
Love that one. Perhaps the septic concerned could tell us when the USA last had a balanced budget or a surplus themselves. 'Twas a while ago I believe.
Aerobridges are distressing. You don't get the nice thud at the bottom of the steps.
I seem to vaguely remember you once posting of an incident that you witnessed along those lines many years ago EWL.

Care to refresh our memories?
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Old 3rd Mar 2015, 09:38
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Hey Porter, what do you blokes do with all those little Mex's that come over the border in droves?? You round 'em up and take 'em back where they came from and that's that, no human rights no court no do gooders no nothing, just get them back over the border ASAP. Fall over and get up yourself goose!!
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Old 3rd Mar 2015, 11:12
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Hi Pinky

The incident involved someone becoming unruly on board as I was signing out the F28.

With backup from the Fireys and the assistance of gravity I experienced the calming effects of said "thud".

Any threat to crew, passengers and the aeroplane is no joke. If you don't know what is happening, regain control and quickly remove the problem.

The problem went away.

All the best

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Old 3rd Mar 2015, 11:22
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Seems to me that they took over the aircraft for their own purpose, and really, no matter whether their agenda was, can't think of any justification for that.

All airlines should "no fly" them....dic*heads!!!
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