Qantas 737 Rear Stairs
Just an experienced based observation
Better to de-board from the front only even though the rear stairs are in.
Allowing the cleaners to enter and clean from the back as the punters move forward.
This doesn't impede catering and allows any maintenance issues to be addressed in the rear cabin before waiting for all pax to leave.
Boarding could usually utilise both doors.
Allowing the cleaners to enter and clean from the back as the punters move forward.
This doesn't impede catering and allows any maintenance issues to be addressed in the rear cabin before waiting for all pax to leave.
Boarding could usually utilise both doors.
They need a trial, poor Qantas they are so different to others!!
One and a half page discussion on using the steps at the rear!!
A wasted mass debate!
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All the loco's in Europe use rear steps, one advantage is that it reduces the risk of tail tipping if there is a blockage de-boarding in the middle of the cabin and a lot of pax ( weight ) is stuck at the back with all the pax gone from the front of the cabin.
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Isn't a problem at places such as:
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Gold Coast
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Well, yeah Kinda is when it purports to be an International Port, and the 6th biggest city in the Country!! When it's Raining!!! FFS!!!
I go back far enough to remember the TAA / Ansett 'sheds' NE of where the present terminal is now at OOL.....I also remember climbing up DC-9 & B727 'proper' airstairs...now you couldn't make an aerobridge for them.....but nowadays?...it's all this $$$$$.....what would the average bogan know??
I really don't mind walking around day glo orange wheelie bins and hastily erected orange triangular flags on a string to a side mounted rear door,as long as it's not raining, it's kinda like a 'walk around' without the detail...but sometimes,...if you're going to proclaim 'World Class', you may need to live up to 'World Class'
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Gold Coast
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Well, yeah Kinda is when it purports to be an International Port, and the 6th biggest city in the Country!! When it's Raining!!! FFS!!!
I go back far enough to remember the TAA / Ansett 'sheds' NE of where the present terminal is now at OOL.....I also remember climbing up DC-9 & B727 'proper' airstairs...now you couldn't make an aerobridge for them.....but nowadays?...it's all this $$$$$.....what would the average bogan know??
I really don't mind walking around day glo orange wheelie bins and hastily erected orange triangular flags on a string to a side mounted rear door,as long as it's not raining, it's kinda like a 'walk around' without the detail...but sometimes,...if you're going to proclaim 'World Class', you may need to live up to 'World Class'
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I thought it was surprising because they went to great lengths to have a Dash 8 hooking up to an Aerobridge ( great idea ) and now consider walking half a 737 outside ...
I certainly agree there's nothing unusual about it.
I certainly agree there's nothing unusual about it.
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one advantage is that it reduces the risk of tail tipping if there is a blockage de-boarding in the middle of the cabin and a lot of pax ( weight ) is stuck at the back with all the pax gone from the front of the cabin.
EDIT: I have heard of one in Malaga but that was apparently caused by a rogue aerobridge that lifted the nose of the aircraft by lifting the L1 door. Auto level fail or something. I am also aware that there is a cargo unloading policy in place in QF to ensure that front cargo is not unloaded prior to aft cargo. I don't know if that is a QF policy or a manufacturer policy. But I have not heard of any issues related to pax boarding/de-boarding.
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Fancy QF management making such an absurd decision, inspite of the collective wisdom of PPRuNE. Virgin & JQ should be reading this thread too, because obviously they're wrong too.
For my money, I wish the 71 had come with the Ventral Stairs option!
For my money, I wish the 71 had come with the Ventral Stairs option!
You mock, but history has shown had AJ and GD before him listened
to the wisdom of pprune, billions of dollars lost in costly , ill thought out decisions would still be in the piggy bank.
Examples:
Lack of 777's
Ordering 'A' model 787's and a380's
Jetstar anything (other than a small scale leisure destination only domestic operation)
The "rivers of gold" from Asia.
Etc
to the wisdom of pprune, billions of dollars lost in costly , ill thought out decisions would still be in the piggy bank.
Examples:
Lack of 777's
Ordering 'A' model 787's and a380's
Jetstar anything (other than a small scale leisure destination only domestic operation)
The "rivers of gold" from Asia.
Etc
Nunc est bibendum
QF haven't used rear stairs in sydney, Melbourne and most other capital city airports for at least 20 years. I reckon a trial to determine exact manpower requirements, customer feedback, logistical issues, security issues and so on is a great idea. IE, not every bay in sydney is going to be able to do it. How do pax get downstairs after having boarding pass scanned.
So I reckon the trial isn't to see if it works per se, it's to see what needs to be done to expand the concept more widely.
If QF launched straight into it and it was a bit of a bun fight (as I'm sure it was for JQ when they first started but with only a few aircraft the impacts weren't quite so significant) then the PPRUNE crowd would be shellacking them saying 'why didn't they have a trial first'.
So I reckon the trial isn't to see if it works per se, it's to see what needs to be done to expand the concept more widely.
If QF launched straight into it and it was a bit of a bun fight (as I'm sure it was for JQ when they first started but with only a few aircraft the impacts weren't quite so significant) then the PPRUNE crowd would be shellacking them saying 'why didn't they have a trial first'.
c100driver and ACMS,
Are you saying that Virgin and JQ have been taking it in the rear for ages?
Are you saying that Virgin and JQ have been taking it in the rear for ages?
ummm
excuse me we have had the 737 in the UK since 1968 (Britannia)
why does QF need to trial using a set of steps on the back door in 2015!!
its laughable - is this really news lol
2 sets of steps works wonderfully well in obtaining quick orderly turnarounds and our charter carriers since jets were invented always nearly had 2 sets of steps - boarding by seat number - god this is 40 odd years on!!!
737 fwd airstairs and rear set manual steps
1-11 fwd and aft airstairs (self sufficient) as was many 727's too if they had fwd airstairs
DC-9 self sufficient
707 and DC-8 2 sets of steps
excuse me we have had the 737 in the UK since 1968 (Britannia)
why does QF need to trial using a set of steps on the back door in 2015!!
its laughable - is this really news lol
2 sets of steps works wonderfully well in obtaining quick orderly turnarounds and our charter carriers since jets were invented always nearly had 2 sets of steps - boarding by seat number - god this is 40 odd years on!!!
737 fwd airstairs and rear set manual steps
1-11 fwd and aft airstairs (self sufficient) as was many 727's too if they had fwd airstairs
DC-9 self sufficient
707 and DC-8 2 sets of steps
Nunc est bibendum
why does QF need to trial using a set of steps on the back door in 2015!!
Three answers previously and you had a half decent explanation.
Yes Gentlemen, another robust debate on yet another important aspect of the intricacies of operating modern jet transport aircraft in this age within Australia.
There are many factors to consider when using rear stairs, efficiency, cost, psychological impact, TEM, CRM, weather conditions, local airport operating procedures, ground staff training, cabin crew training, updating manuals etc etc.
I'm sure we could go on for another 3 or more pages, yet I am concerned that we haven't had an AIP or Jeppesen quote thus far? Surely someone could come up with some relevant regulations to link in with said topic?
Anyway, look forward to ingesting with great interest some more opinions, contexts, historical (and hysterical haha!) stories, standard operating procedures, personal experiences and in 2 years from now a brief revival of the thread to find out ultimately how the all important trial progressed
There are many factors to consider when using rear stairs, efficiency, cost, psychological impact, TEM, CRM, weather conditions, local airport operating procedures, ground staff training, cabin crew training, updating manuals etc etc.
I'm sure we could go on for another 3 or more pages, yet I am concerned that we haven't had an AIP or Jeppesen quote thus far? Surely someone could come up with some relevant regulations to link in with said topic?
Anyway, look forward to ingesting with great interest some more opinions, contexts, historical (and hysterical haha!) stories, standard operating procedures, personal experiences and in 2 years from now a brief revival of the thread to find out ultimately how the all important trial progressed