Qantas and the 787-900
How's your IA working out for you there? All red tail, all plastered with Qantas on the side to keep it feeling like home. Call me a pessimist but I wouldn't say "it can't be done."
Qjet - painted as 'Qantaslink' (and if the Q Dom CEO isn't a liar, gone in 2017) - not painted as Qantas
For all the JQ lads thinking that they will be flying QF 787's....
Keep dreaming
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Jetconnect only flies routes NZ to AUS return and not domestic.
Had plenty of years to take over domestic or international and it hasn't.
A lot of hearsay on this forum and panic merchants.
QF are dealing with AIPA as others have said without Oldmeadow.
Neither side wants a repeat of 2011. It's a better environment now both industrially and in the airline business. American Airlines flight crew just got a 23% pay rise. 777 skipper with 12 years service now on $280k USD or $360 AUD.
With the price of fuel dropped by more than 50%, AUD perfectly in the 70c and not $1 plus range, things are looking rosy again for QF international after a ****ty few years in a market that was not rational.
Profits be around 900 million this year and 1.8-1.9 billion year after according to analysts. Things should look good for both parties.
If the deal is good it will get across the line, but if it's inferior, QF risks another vote and delays as profits and bonuses skyrocket.
How times change. At least it's for the better.
Time for cool heads. Cycle is a turning.
Had plenty of years to take over domestic or international and it hasn't.
A lot of hearsay on this forum and panic merchants.
QF are dealing with AIPA as others have said without Oldmeadow.
Neither side wants a repeat of 2011. It's a better environment now both industrially and in the airline business. American Airlines flight crew just got a 23% pay rise. 777 skipper with 12 years service now on $280k USD or $360 AUD.
With the price of fuel dropped by more than 50%, AUD perfectly in the 70c and not $1 plus range, things are looking rosy again for QF international after a ****ty few years in a market that was not rational.
Profits be around 900 million this year and 1.8-1.9 billion year after according to analysts. Things should look good for both parties.
If the deal is good it will get across the line, but if it's inferior, QF risks another vote and delays as profits and bonuses skyrocket.
How times change. At least it's for the better.
Time for cool heads. Cycle is a turning.
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SWH.
It would be transmission of business under FWA rules.
Especially a LH jet painted Qantas and based in AUS. The current FWA also now classifies transmission of business with associated entities. Hence why AIPA must agree to a S318 exemption to allow QF pilots to JQ on JQ conditions. Otherwise you take your agreement(determination) with you.
At the time Impulse became JQ it was not then flying QF routes but routes that QF didn't fly to. That was in the Workchoices era as well.
But the Fair Work Act changed all that post 2007. Designed to stop exactly what every company would like to do. Just start up company B doing exactly the same work but with inferior conditions.
It would be transmission of business under FWA rules.
Especially a LH jet painted Qantas and based in AUS. The current FWA also now classifies transmission of business with associated entities. Hence why AIPA must agree to a S318 exemption to allow QF pilots to JQ on JQ conditions. Otherwise you take your agreement(determination) with you.
At the time Impulse became JQ it was not then flying QF routes but routes that QF didn't fly to. That was in the Workchoices era as well.
But the Fair Work Act changed all that post 2007. Designed to stop exactly what every company would like to do. Just start up company B doing exactly the same work but with inferior conditions.
How is the situation with Jetstar, Jetconnect, Cobham, Express Freighters Sunstate, Eastern, Network etc different ? Heard rumors the 717s are coming back under the QF banner from Cobham.
Seems illogical that QF is constrained by FWA from setting up new subsidiaries, of changing how those subsidiaries operate. One could argue that Eastern, Sunstate, Jetstar, Network etc is "transmission of business" from domestic.
What is stopping another Australian Airlines 767 longhaul with new equipment ?
Seems illogical that QF is constrained by FWA from setting up new subsidiaries, of changing how those subsidiaries operate. One could argue that Eastern, Sunstate, Jetstar, Network etc is "transmission of business" from domestic.
What is stopping another Australian Airlines 767 longhaul with new equipment ?
Heard rumors the 717s are coming back under the QF banner from Cobham.
however it won't be the 717's...they are being scrapped as of 2017. An as yet to be decided new type will replace them. Back under the mainline banner, flown by mainline pilots.
What is stopping another Australian Airlines 767 longhaul with new equipment ?
The high gross weight version of the A380 would be a major help - especially for DFW-SYD
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"Full Service Carriers yield is better than an LCC!"
Actually, in 2014 the 3 most profitable airlines in the US by far were low cost carriers. They had double the margin of legacy carriers on average.
In Europe, the most profitable airline is a low cost carrier.
In Canada the most profitable airline is a low cost carrier.
Actually, in 2014 the 3 most profitable airlines in the US by far were low cost carriers. They had double the margin of legacy carriers on average.
In Europe, the most profitable airline is a low cost carrier.
In Canada the most profitable airline is a low cost carrier.
Cloudsurfing, you are dreaming!
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Direct from the Domestic CEO's mouth in a recent company dial in. Not an "I heard from a friend of a friend" type scenario. Heard by everyone on the dial in, first hand.
Can you remember a time when a Qantas manager has said something and something else took place?
IMHO, there is no way that the Cobham 717's are going to be replaced with anything flown by mainline pilots. Most likely whatever replaces them will be flown by Network pilots.
DIVOSH!
There are very few if any mainline carriers around the world that also crew the Regional Jet side of things.
"Mainline banner by mainline pilots..."
"On Regional (read cheap and flexible) terms..."
"Mainline banner by mainline pilots..."
"On Regional (read cheap and flexible) terms..."
Nunc est bibendum
Cobham 717s flying SYD-ADL, SYD-MEL, CBR- MEL, etc are hardly 'regional' services. The rest of your point is valid though. Perhaps not gone completely but there are many routes the QJet is flying that are far from 'Link' services.
At this stage, ill place more weight on what was said rather than your honest opinion DiVosh. So far, this guy seems to do what he says he's going to do.
Re Network, yep, he clearly stated some of the WA stuff would be done by Network. Id rather see the crew of a wholly owned company do the flying than a bunch of contractors. But the routes Keg refers to will be mainline.
Re Network, yep, he clearly stated some of the WA stuff would be done by Network. Id rather see the crew of a wholly owned company do the flying than a bunch of contractors. But the routes Keg refers to will be mainline.
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Doesn't Cobham have like 200+ pilots? Thats a lot of capacity and retraining moving back to mainline or a new operator, Network....
Unfortunately can't see it happening..
Anyway i was heard the B717 contract is out to 2018? Maybe network or Link will get a the C-Series...
Unfortunately can't see it happening..
Anyway i was heard the B717 contract is out to 2018? Maybe network or Link will get a the C-Series...
Zapatas Blood- NONE of them operate longer than 5 hours sectors because there is no yield! And if you want to talk about conditions for pilots then B737 pilots at Southwest are the highest paid B737 pilots in the United States! Another point of difference is they are engaged! And they have shares in the company!
Bluemoon:
I can tell you now it won't be Link! (Although apparently the link were pretty darn close in getting the 717s originally). Not sure if Cobham will be bought out by then, however it makes sense to be part of the group. No doubt QF have put an offer to them already.
My guess is Cobham (in whatever entity) will fly the C-series!
I can tell you now it won't be Link! (Although apparently the link were pretty darn close in getting the 717s originally). Not sure if Cobham will be bought out by then, however it makes sense to be part of the group. No doubt QF have put an offer to them already.
My guess is Cobham (in whatever entity) will fly the C-series!
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"Zapatas Blood- NONE of them operate longer than 5 hours sectors because there is no yield! And if you want to talk about conditions for pilots then B737 pilots at Southwest are the highest paid B737 pilots in the United States!"
All interesting and generally incorrect points you make however, bottom line is the day of the legacy carrier is over and capital markets LOVE lower cost or LCC or new entrant or boutique carriers, call them what you will but until QF shows some serious labor reform, they will struggle to move forward.
MOST western legacy carriers have either been rebuilt with lower operating costs, been recapitalsied by their host government or been taken over by another legacy carrier or gone broke.
All interesting and generally incorrect points you make however, bottom line is the day of the legacy carrier is over and capital markets LOVE lower cost or LCC or new entrant or boutique carriers, call them what you will but until QF shows some serious labor reform, they will struggle to move forward.
MOST western legacy carriers have either been rebuilt with lower operating costs, been recapitalsied by their host government or been taken over by another legacy carrier or gone broke.
