Qantas back to SFO
-OJR was one of the first if not the first 744 to be disposed of as it was leased and the leasing costs were rumoured to be astronomical.
AJ Walter has acquired a Boeing 747-400 airframe for tear down from the receivers of Allco.
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Back to SFO in December 2015
It seems that Qantas will be back flying SYD-SFO on December 20th. Announcement made in Miami at a press conference where American announced flying LAX-SYD on December 17th.
Will this SYD-SFO be B747 or A380? Anyone know?
Congrats on coming back to this market.
Will this SYD-SFO be B747 or A380? Anyone know?
Congrats on coming back to this market.
It appears that American's new daily B777-300ER service LAX-SYD-LAX service will replace a few QF B744 services to LAX so that freed capacity will be used to return to SFO.
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QF to decrease SYD/LAX & MEL/LAX
Qantas and American Airlines to boost flights between Australia and the US
Relevant sentence ........................
"As a result, it will pull out of four weekly 747 flights between Sydney and Los Angeles and one weekly flight from Melbourne to Los Angeles."
Might be some really pissed off Australians who were on QF SYD/LAX, but now being asked to fly AA + even worse, if they were on QF MEL/LAX & now being asked to fly UA or go via SYD, BNE or DFW.
Relevant sentence ........................
"As a result, it will pull out of four weekly 747 flights between Sydney and Los Angeles and one weekly flight from Melbourne to Los Angeles."
Might be some really pissed off Australians who were on QF SYD/LAX, but now being asked to fly AA + even worse, if they were on QF MEL/LAX & now being asked to fly UA or go via SYD, BNE or DFW.
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Once again Chocolate Rations are increased to 20 grams....
This manette is a genius at giving business to other airlines. I've never seen anyone so happy to hand over hard earned money and infrastructure built up over decades to anyone he can think of.
Idiot.
This manette is a genius at giving business to other airlines. I've never seen anyone so happy to hand over hard earned money and infrastructure built up over decades to anyone he can think of.
Idiot.
"manette"...genius. 
A consequence of having no fleet means you have to outsource lots of pesky stuff like flying to others with vision and purpose.
Doing things like SFO and YVR on a casual basis builds customer loyalty how, exactly?
A consequence of having no fleet means you have to outsource lots of pesky stuff like flying to others with vision and purpose.
Doing things like SFO and YVR on a casual basis builds customer loyalty how, exactly?
Why is Joyce now claiming that SFO is a big business destination? It's not like the Internet just turned up yesterday.
Love to know how much the perpetual change culture costs airlines.
Maybe they shouldn't have pulled out in the first place......there's an idea!!
Love to know how much the perpetual change culture costs airlines.
Maybe they shouldn't have pulled out in the first place......there's an idea!!
To play the devils advocate for one minute....
Previously QF received revenue from LA. There was no revenue from SFO. Now QF will receive revenue from both.
I'm not at all saying it's perfect, if it was perfect, QF would be flying both. Maybe this is a precursor to building a route for the new type. Maybe once it arrives, we can return those flights to LA.
Surely he wouldn't be dumb enough to sign an agreement that allowed QF to reinstate those LA flights if desired. Would he??
Previously QF received revenue from LA. There was no revenue from SFO. Now QF will receive revenue from both.
I'm not at all saying it's perfect, if it was perfect, QF would be flying both. Maybe this is a precursor to building a route for the new type. Maybe once it arrives, we can return those flights to LA.
Surely he wouldn't be dumb enough to sign an agreement that allowed QF to reinstate those LA flights if desired. Would he??
BNEA320, given it's 6 months away you'll find the flights are barely half sold yet so it will be pretty easy to consolidate the affected pax onto the remaining (A380) services.
And think how happy the pax who were already booked to transit LAX on the way to SFO will be to be swapped onto the direct service.
Where has your entrepreneurial spirit gone? Your other posts are all giddy with excitement for airlines starting new routes, why not now?
And think how happy the pax who were already booked to transit LAX on the way to SFO will be to be swapped onto the direct service.
Where has your entrepreneurial spirit gone? Your other posts are all giddy with excitement for airlines starting new routes, why not now?
I accept the airline now has limited choices, but he threw away ALL these aircraft, money and routes for what? RedQ?? Endless orders for aircraft that can't operate longhaul routes? If he was a FIFA exec I could understand it, but he doesn't even seem to be getting a kickback, he is just throwing things away.
I know 3 year olds who are better negotiators than this fool and the board let him loose to throw away our PREMIUM CUSTOMERS (you know, the good ones that make all the money) to EK and now AA??
He is so clearly learning on the job it is criminal. 2009 wasn't pleasant in the US, but the likes of Apple, MS (admittedly from Seatac) Oracle, HP etc etc etc etc etc etc etc did still manage to pay their bills over the last few years. And lets not forget the previous idiot that sold the physical gates (the actual real estate) that Qantas OWNED in SFO.
This is like winning a war by handing all your military hardware over to your enemy. We will conquer the Japanese in a cunning plan by letting them set up base in Honolulu. Think of all the ammunition we will save by not having to shoot any of them.......
- Nice someone appreciated the comment AP, just a shame there is little else to laugh about.
I know 3 year olds who are better negotiators than this fool and the board let him loose to throw away our PREMIUM CUSTOMERS (you know, the good ones that make all the money) to EK and now AA??
He is so clearly learning on the job it is criminal. 2009 wasn't pleasant in the US, but the likes of Apple, MS (admittedly from Seatac) Oracle, HP etc etc etc etc etc etc etc did still manage to pay their bills over the last few years. And lets not forget the previous idiot that sold the physical gates (the actual real estate) that Qantas OWNED in SFO.
This is like winning a war by handing all your military hardware over to your enemy. We will conquer the Japanese in a cunning plan by letting them set up base in Honolulu. Think of all the ammunition we will save by not having to shoot any of them.......
- Nice someone appreciated the comment AP, just a shame there is little else to laugh about.
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I enjoyed the references in your post also VJ. I can think of an aeroplane that would do well on the SFO route but alas, QF don't possess it at present. Who would've thought an airline would require aircraft ey?
A google ad for 'Backyard Chicken Coops' has appeared at the bottom of this page
Oh the analogies! Seems 'Australia's trusted Chicken Coop Supplier' knows more about Qantas than I would have given them credit for... You could NOT make this stuff up!! (or is that stuff-up?)
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I enjoy reading your posts V-jet.
You are correct in every thing you say, and your literacy talents are wasted on these threads. You would be better suited writing for much greater audiences I believe.
You are correct in every thing you say, and your literacy talents are wasted on these threads. You would be better suited writing for much greater audiences I believe.
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Note to QF, food is cheap. When you fly for 14 hours, pax expect more than an occasional walk thru with bags of potato chips, oh and the "Aussie fav", a sausage roll.
Really, 14 hours with just those snacks and a breakfast, an hour before landing (of course at 1750 MEL time).
Really, 14 hours with just those snacks and a breakfast, an hour before landing (of course at 1750 MEL time).
So the network expands, you whinge, the network shrinks, you whinge, they buy the 777 (one day) and you'll whinge it's too old and they should have got the 350.... They get 350's and of course it's not a Boeing
Basically you're all just a bunch of............pilots
It's getting laborious.
Basically you're all just a bunch of............pilots
It's getting laborious.
GG: The problem is that once someone gets used to another businesses product they won't change back without serious thought. Look at it this way. EK could probably fly all of QF's passengers to London for free for a year at least and (because they actually have a global network) probably not even really notice the loss in revenue all that much. AA is even worse. If you need ANY convincing look at the words of Tim Clark about how well it worked out for EK being 'gifted' QF's premium Long Haul customers. Strangely enough, young wee-man has been just as quiet about how well QF did out of that exchange as he has about the triumphant success of Jetstar XXX (insert foreign entity there - maybe start with HKG?) and the stellar trajectory of his once favourite chimaera RedQ.
There is one thing I can say for the AA deal over EK. At least the Jewish population of Australia can still fly to the US. Though not, it would seem, JFK on QF.
As an airline CEO, Elaine is a terrific room renovator - by all accounts the lounges are a massive hit and we should all be justly proud of our efforts on that front. The problem is, most of us wanted to work for an airline and not a builder. Most airlines look after the aircraft and routes first, the lounges are a distant tenth. But not QF - where the Chairman of the Board openly admits they only knew about airlines from 1st Class Lounges and the 1st Class cabin.
There is no doubt in my mind the current cadre of 'leaders' at Qf are trying to replicate the business model of a Webjet type operation, because the rest is probably just too hard for them. They focus on airline 'stuff' only as a last resort when every other option has failed them. And their ability to find other options is nothing short of exemplary.
They should have simply developed a better App for the iTunes App Store rather than do their level best to trash a national icon.
I would love to ask each Board Member (just before I choke them) what exactly it is they believe Qantas really does. Because I do not think they actually know. Worse, I don't think they would even give similar answers, which is why there is no single strategy. How many Glorious(ly different) Five Year Plans can one company have? With the same leadership 'team' is still in place!
There is one thing I can say for the AA deal over EK. At least the Jewish population of Australia can still fly to the US. Though not, it would seem, JFK on QF.
As an airline CEO, Elaine is a terrific room renovator - by all accounts the lounges are a massive hit and we should all be justly proud of our efforts on that front. The problem is, most of us wanted to work for an airline and not a builder. Most airlines look after the aircraft and routes first, the lounges are a distant tenth. But not QF - where the Chairman of the Board openly admits they only knew about airlines from 1st Class Lounges and the 1st Class cabin.
There is no doubt in my mind the current cadre of 'leaders' at Qf are trying to replicate the business model of a Webjet type operation, because the rest is probably just too hard for them. They focus on airline 'stuff' only as a last resort when every other option has failed them. And their ability to find other options is nothing short of exemplary.
They should have simply developed a better App for the iTunes App Store rather than do their level best to trash a national icon.
I would love to ask each Board Member (just before I choke them) what exactly it is they believe Qantas really does. Because I do not think they actually know. Worse, I don't think they would even give similar answers, which is why there is no single strategy. How many Glorious(ly different) Five Year Plans can one company have? With the same leadership 'team' is still in place!
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I don't see what all the fuss is about re planes and crew for SFO.
They also announced a reduction in flights by QF to LAX ex MEL and SYD.
From what I saw on the TV last night (the media are always right) there is
either 1 or 2 extra flights a week total.
If these figures are wrong then I am happy to be corrected. If right they will
cause little change to the current operation.
They also announced a reduction in flights by QF to LAX ex MEL and SYD.
From what I saw on the TV last night (the media are always right) there is
either 1 or 2 extra flights a week total.
If these figures are wrong then I am happy to be corrected. If right they will
cause little change to the current operation.
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Qantas Group CEO Alan Joyce, speaking at the carrier’s AGM, defended (24-Oct-2014) the carrier's investment in Jetstar's Asian franchises, noting: "The investments in Asia are less than one A380 in terms of the size of them, and they are huge opportunities for us moving forward."
V-Jet, as shocking as this sounds, he is a serial "start-up" junkie, paraphrasing his own words. Start many business, most will fail, but hit a home run with one. The "Home Run" in his mind is Jetstar Japan, alleging the current stake is worth double what QF have tipped in. The model we entered was the Tech Wreck pump-&-dump asset boosting of the late 90's.
I wish it was all a dream, but that IS the way he has actually run things as CEO. Look back over the history of announcements (RedQ, AirAsia tie-up + all the Asian franchises) - history, hindsight & his own words in public validates my allegation. No, I am not joking, he actually let this slip during the recent charm offensive.
Notice how these franchise efforts are simply no longer touted & lauded in the media, and will quietly fade away from people consciousness over time. In a future years when the history is written of this era, these will be a footnote in history, seen as diversion from the core business of moving people from A to B, instead of attempting to run a hedge fund trading desk. Management has been seriously diverted from the primary task of running an airline during the Dixon / Joyce era. John Borghetti even admitted how damaging these kinds of distractions were back in 2007 during the previous APA fiasco.
Mr Borghetti said Mr Dixon and chief financial officer Peter Gregg were among high-level staff who worked on the deal.
"Senior management (including) Geoff, Peter, me, a lot of time was taken up with this thing," he told an American Chamber of Commerce lunch.
"It went about six months, you couldn't get your job done, you had to sort of abandon it. You couldn't focus on it."
Mr Borghetti said that other senior executives had "carried the company through" during the attempted takeover period.
"Senior management (including) Geoff, Peter, me, a lot of time was taken up with this thing," he told an American Chamber of Commerce lunch.
"It went about six months, you couldn't get your job done, you had to sort of abandon it. You couldn't focus on it."
Mr Borghetti said that other senior executives had "carried the company through" during the attempted takeover period.