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In the REAL world - one only needs 200hrs ( ok a few more - maybe 225?)
to apply for a B737 F/O position - ie.
Entry Requirements
To qualify as cadets, applicants must have a valid JAR or EASA Frozen ATPL (Air Transport Pilots License), which can be obtained from a JAR (Joint Aviation Requirement) or EASA approved flying school.
JAR or EASA approved flying schools offer either an integrated course or a modular course. Cadets who have conducted a modular course need to have a minimum of 100 hours Pilot in Command (PIC) and a TOTAL TIME OF 200Hrs
Applicant should:
Have a valid multi-engine instrument rating; (an EASA Instrument Rating is a Non Precision and a Precision approach -- whats an ILS endorsement??)
Hold a certificate of satisfactory completion of multi-crew co-operation (MCC)*;
Have a flight crew license (theoretical ATPL with valid JAR or EASA CPL);
Have a valid JAR or EASA -FCL 3 Class 1 Medical;
Must have a flight school report. This applies to both Integrated and Modular students;
Be prepared to obtain an Irish JAR or EASA license after successful conclusion of the training program;
Be prepared to fly from any Ryanair base in Europe;
Have the right to work freely within the European Union
* Note: pilots who currently do not have a MCC certificate, pilots who need refresher training due to lack of flight time or pilots who require initial jet orientation training are invited to apply for the CAE MCC Course (based on Ryanair and Boeing Operating Procedures)
Selection Process
The selection procedure takes place at either the Stansted, East Midlands Training Center’s (UK) or in Dublin (Ireland). The day begins with an introduction to Ryanair and the recruitment team. Pilots can expect:
A pre-simulator briefing
Simulator assessment in a B737-800 simulator – 45 minutes as both pilot flying and PNF. Basic handling skills, CRM and flight management will be assessed
English language test
Technical assessment - 30 minutes assessing your technical knowledge on your current/previous aircraft type(s)
Personnel interview - Approximately 30 minutes to convince Ryanair of your suitability to join the team, and to prove that you are the sort of person who will thrive in an environment where hard work and effort are rewarded.
Within 7 working days after the selection day, applicants will be contacted by phone or e-mail with feedback, be it positive or negative.
Those who emerge successfully from the selection process will be offered a place on a type-rating course at CAE Center Amsterdam or at East Midlands Training Center.
RYANAIR have taken 300 new F/Os this year - 200 of those are 200hr 19-23yr olds
to apply for a B737 F/O position - ie.
Entry Requirements
To qualify as cadets, applicants must have a valid JAR or EASA Frozen ATPL (Air Transport Pilots License), which can be obtained from a JAR (Joint Aviation Requirement) or EASA approved flying school.
JAR or EASA approved flying schools offer either an integrated course or a modular course. Cadets who have conducted a modular course need to have a minimum of 100 hours Pilot in Command (PIC) and a TOTAL TIME OF 200Hrs
Applicant should:
Have a valid multi-engine instrument rating; (an EASA Instrument Rating is a Non Precision and a Precision approach -- whats an ILS endorsement??)
Hold a certificate of satisfactory completion of multi-crew co-operation (MCC)*;
Have a flight crew license (theoretical ATPL with valid JAR or EASA CPL);
Have a valid JAR or EASA -FCL 3 Class 1 Medical;
Must have a flight school report. This applies to both Integrated and Modular students;
Be prepared to obtain an Irish JAR or EASA license after successful conclusion of the training program;
Be prepared to fly from any Ryanair base in Europe;
Have the right to work freely within the European Union
* Note: pilots who currently do not have a MCC certificate, pilots who need refresher training due to lack of flight time or pilots who require initial jet orientation training are invited to apply for the CAE MCC Course (based on Ryanair and Boeing Operating Procedures)
Selection Process
The selection procedure takes place at either the Stansted, East Midlands Training Center’s (UK) or in Dublin (Ireland). The day begins with an introduction to Ryanair and the recruitment team. Pilots can expect:
A pre-simulator briefing
Simulator assessment in a B737-800 simulator – 45 minutes as both pilot flying and PNF. Basic handling skills, CRM and flight management will be assessed
English language test
Technical assessment - 30 minutes assessing your technical knowledge on your current/previous aircraft type(s)
Personnel interview - Approximately 30 minutes to convince Ryanair of your suitability to join the team, and to prove that you are the sort of person who will thrive in an environment where hard work and effort are rewarded.
Within 7 working days after the selection day, applicants will be contacted by phone or e-mail with feedback, be it positive or negative.
Those who emerge successfully from the selection process will be offered a place on a type-rating course at CAE Center Amsterdam or at East Midlands Training Center.
RYANAIR have taken 300 new F/Os this year - 200 of those are 200hr 19-23yr olds
I've come to realize there's usually another reason why folks don't get interviewed/hired.... even if they wont adm
A little consistency wouldn't go amiss.
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Once through the selection process however, you are in the hands of HR. I got sunk there after flying through the interview.
Too many sick days in a past life. (Still under the limit we were allowed however!)
Too many sick days in a past life. (Still under the limit we were allowed however!)
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rmcdonal,
How much do you think it costs to become eligible for employment at Air NZ?
Usually we are talking B-cat/IFR/Multi instructor. Apart from the few G.A Gigs in New Zealand, most of the Air NZ recruitment comes from ex multi instructors and perhaps RNZAF, at least it has been so in the past, these days who knows.
To get to that level I can assure you people are spending a lot more than $75,000 only with a hope of an interview and to earn not much more than $40,000 a year at Eagle.
I'm not encouraging your pay2fly scheme nor bashing the New Zealand system.
But if you're going to throw $$$ out there. I can almost guarantee that it costs a lot more money/time/effort to become a Jet First officer in this part of the world.
How much do you think it costs to become eligible for employment at Air NZ?
Usually we are talking B-cat/IFR/Multi instructor. Apart from the few G.A Gigs in New Zealand, most of the Air NZ recruitment comes from ex multi instructors and perhaps RNZAF, at least it has been so in the past, these days who knows.
To get to that level I can assure you people are spending a lot more than $75,000 only with a hope of an interview and to earn not much more than $40,000 a year at Eagle.
I'm not encouraging your pay2fly scheme nor bashing the New Zealand system.
But if you're going to throw $$$ out there. I can almost guarantee that it costs a lot more money/time/effort to become a Jet First officer in this part of the world.
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How much do you think it costs to become eligible for employment at Air NZ?
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Usually we are talking B-cat/IFR/Multi instructor. Apart from the few G.A Gigs in New Zealand, most of the Air NZ recruitment comes from ex multi instructors and perhaps RNZAF
So it's not as simple as employing 200hr Pilots, it is more about finding pilots willing to Pay To Fly to the tune of $75,000 ish.
So sue me.
If we compare two 200 hr 19 year olds, one going through NZ GA and another in paying through say Ryanair. Where will they be in 5 years ?
PTF,- probably in the sandpit in the right seat of a widebody jet, or staring down the barrel of a command on a narrow body jet.
NZ GA ? Hopefully getting round in some banged up chieftain held together with hundred mile an hour tape amongst the ****e maybe earning 30 grand if they're lucky. The RHS of the 737 or A320 where PTF was 5 years ago is still a loooong way away.
I see the merit in both I guess...
What do we think the employment market will be like with Jetstar entering the props ? I understand Air NZ will be wanting to hire a fair few from later this year, about the time of the jetstar entry. Could get interesting...
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Once through the selection process however, you are in the hands of HR. I got sunk there after flying through the interview.
There's no follow ups, reference checks etc. your fate is decided in that meeting.
HR's role after that meeting is to make the phone calls, they don't do any further spadework or assessing.
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FIVE YEARS LATER
There is a small company in Europe - it has 140acft in the group - spread across five countries. In one group, it has 26yr old B737 Capts who started as 20yr old F/Os and were upgraded to Capt with only 4000hrs TT. They now fly with 19 and 20 yr old 250hr F/Os. Some new upgraded Capts are LTCs in their second year. The Cabin is crewed with 26yr old SCMs and 3 CCMs who are 19-22. God its great at the poolside !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Not to mention the regions and environments they fly in - European charter ops to the Greek Islands/Middle East/North and West Africa/Carribean
European winter CAT3A/B, and Canadian winter contracts. What would you rather have, a night stop in Hokitika/Gisborne/Taupo in a B1900 or any of the above ?? - for the same training cost ????????
Ryanair crew composition is similar. 26 yr old Capt on NZ$144,000.
- How much did you calculate for the B737 Type rating ?
- and the pay back period ?
How many hrs does one need to meet the MINIMUM hrs for application for a SO position with the Koru?
Ciao
Not to mention the regions and environments they fly in - European charter ops to the Greek Islands/Middle East/North and West Africa/Carribean
European winter CAT3A/B, and Canadian winter contracts. What would you rather have, a night stop in Hokitika/Gisborne/Taupo in a B1900 or any of the above ?? - for the same training cost ????????
Ryanair crew composition is similar. 26 yr old Capt on NZ$144,000.
- How much did you calculate for the B737 Type rating ?
- and the pay back period ?
How many hrs does one need to meet the MINIMUM hrs for application for a SO position with the Koru?
Ciao
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Aeolus2000BC, that sounds fantastic and I bet it is great poolside.
Personally, I did the NZ GA scene, I did the AirNZ Link thing and eventually got into Air New Zealand, probably much later than I could have had a Jet command overseas if I had have gone and done that.
My verdict, for me personally, I wouldn't change what I have done for the world. Yes, I could have done it quicker elsewhere, yes I could have earned more money and seen more exotic places etc, but I didn't. I stayed in NZ, which is what I wanted to do. I've had a fantastic time, met great people, enjoyed my lifestyle, get to see my extended family whenever I want and still have a close relationship with the friends I grew up with.
Certainly not trying to imply that the way I did things is the right way or the wrong way, but it has been the right way for me. I don't care about getting a quick command and lifestyle is more important to me than earning $144,000 at 26 years old. Someone will always do things quicker and someone will always earn more money.
Each to their own, enjoy the journey.
Personally, I did the NZ GA scene, I did the AirNZ Link thing and eventually got into Air New Zealand, probably much later than I could have had a Jet command overseas if I had have gone and done that.
My verdict, for me personally, I wouldn't change what I have done for the world. Yes, I could have done it quicker elsewhere, yes I could have earned more money and seen more exotic places etc, but I didn't. I stayed in NZ, which is what I wanted to do. I've had a fantastic time, met great people, enjoyed my lifestyle, get to see my extended family whenever I want and still have a close relationship with the friends I grew up with.
Certainly not trying to imply that the way I did things is the right way or the wrong way, but it has been the right way for me. I don't care about getting a quick command and lifestyle is more important to me than earning $144,000 at 26 years old. Someone will always do things quicker and someone will always earn more money.
Each to their own, enjoy the journey.
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Minimums ?
Kev2002
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Since when and HOW does the 'market' have any control over what is put in place by the Aviation Authority OR Airline Management ?
- What you been smoking Boy ?
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The mins for the airline are not necessarily set by the airline. They are set by the market. It's that simple
Since when and HOW does the 'market' have any control over what is put in place by the Aviation Authority OR Airline Management ?
- What you been smoking Boy ?
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I hope NZ doesn't follow the trend in North America, where there a pilots lining up to work for less than minimum wage. When this line of qualified, willing to work for peanuts pilots runs low, the budget carriers just scoop a bit further down into the barrel by lowering their required mins. Things still sound pretty positive from what trickles through the grapevine though.
Comes down to a combination of need for drivers, and pilots accepting lower and lower remuneration to get an advancement.
Also, sounds like quite a few guys have got the call for the 1900 spots. Any rumours on when Cook or Nelson might start calling folks?
Comes down to a combination of need for drivers, and pilots accepting lower and lower remuneration to get an advancement.
Also, sounds like quite a few guys have got the call for the 1900 spots. Any rumours on when Cook or Nelson might start calling folks?
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The word out is no externals will be considered until all Eagle pilots have moved to new positions in the group. Something like sept next year apparently. Having said that, they can't ever seem to be able to plan how many pilots are needed.
Having said that, they can't ever seem to be able to plan how many pilots are needed.
How the schedule is modified can make huge changes to the crewing requirements. Target more early business type flying means more crews or less flying during the middle of the day, reduce the early morning and evening flights requires less crew.