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Maybe some good news in the job creation side of things for air nz?
Air New Zealand Flying Social - Air New Zealand Commits to Two More Boeing 787-9 Dreamliners
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Personally, speaking from within Air Nelson I can't see us lasting much longer in our current structure either and a lot of us are looking at other alternatives. Just saying...
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As someone that wanted to work for Air Nz (both link and jets) from the first days of training the future looks bleak. Yes, there is always overseas but there is no place like home 
How would the structure change, apart from condensing the bases into AA,WN and CH?
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How would the structure change, apart from condensing the bases into AA,WN and CH?
Possibly with the CEO's comments that he would like an all ATR turboprop fleet? Only one operator of those in the group?
Possibly with the CEO's comments that he would like an all ATR turboprop fleet? Only one operator of those in the group?
Closing down all regional bases and leaving only AA, WN and CH would make a long-term career as regional pilot a lot less attractive i.e. very hard to afford.
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I feel your pain deadcut. Had my (successful) interview in March, was told would starting on the Q300 in July. Then August. Then early next year. And now I'm told second half of next year. I keep hearing people telling me to go overseas etc, but as deadcut said, there is no place like home. I feel my lifetime dream slipping away. But hey, got this far, not giving up that easily.
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Air Nelson has absolutely nothing to worry about, yes they're centralising their basing but there are replacement aircraft in the 50 seat category, of which there was nothing in the 19 seater range. I see the argument that Air NZ would give Cook the ATR 42 once the smash has run it's course but that's redundant in my view, it would be cheaper to let you guys fly it, lower salaries, plus it keeps the pilots separate as Air NZ have been doing successfully for years.
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Sorry to say mate, but you're dreaming. Can't see you getting a start for a very long time if ever. 120 Eagle pilots, all who have successfully completed training, all who know Air NZ. The company will do whatever to retain these guys and not have to pay redundancy to them. That would cost a lot! I second what guys say and head overseas. Put Air NZ behind you and move on. It will be the best thing for you
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I have noticed that the ADS-B was shut down on all of the first 4 ATR 600's and only the last ZK-MVE remains visible to ADS receivers on the ground. I hope this shut down is temporary (Possibly due to OEM certs). Year 2020 is supposed to see the shut down of radar with ADS-B and Mlat taking over, but it looks to me as if less than 10% of NZ Acft are ADS-B equipped now. Are we going to fall short of the target due to penny pinching by ANZ?
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Sadly for Eagle pilots is the fact that they still have to go through recruit to group if they want to transfer to either Nelson or Cook. I know of guys from Eagle who have tried just that and although yes they have successfully completed their training with Eagle, they are failing recruit to group and therefore and not able to transfer across. Yes there are 120 Eagle pilots but they are just that, Eagle pilots. Air NZ link is three separate companies and is viewed as such from within Air NZ. Crazy situation. So I'll keep hanging on to that yes that I've got. I'll take waren9's advice. Patience.
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a lot of people waited many years to get into airnz. 18months is nothing if thats what you want.
nothing stopping guys with yes letters doing something else in the meantime then making a decision when airnz finally ring with a start date.
nothing stopping guys with yes letters doing something else in the meantime then making a decision when airnz finally ring with a start date.
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Yea sure 130 Eagle Pilots. 10-25 who are contract management pilots or on yes letter to jets so let's say 100 Eagle pilots left competing for these 60 ATR jobs. But really 100? Get real!! Let's say 10-15 who will either retire or look elsewhere for jobs so 85 pilots for 60 jobs. Air NZ might just say "Ok let's carry a bit of fat for a while".
Everything on this site is speculation and rumours. Hence the name PPRUNE! So how can anyone on the outside of Eagle/Air NZ actually know what's going to happen?
It's up to the working group and senior management in Air NZ to make the decisions.
Unfortunately it is the world we live in, were we all like to speculate and come across as knowing all.
Until stuff comes out in writing from the company, give it a break guys. Think of how it must feel for an Eagle guy coming on here and seeing all the crap you guys write.
That's my 2 cents worth. Now I'll just sit back and laugh at everyone who takes a dig at me
Everything on this site is speculation and rumours. Hence the name PPRUNE! So how can anyone on the outside of Eagle/Air NZ actually know what's going to happen?
It's up to the working group and senior management in Air NZ to make the decisions.
Unfortunately it is the world we live in, were we all like to speculate and come across as knowing all.
Until stuff comes out in writing from the company, give it a break guys. Think of how it must feel for an Eagle guy coming on here and seeing all the crap you guys write.
That's my 2 cents worth. Now I'll just sit back and laugh at everyone who takes a dig at me
I find it interesting that there are 60 ATR jobs this year. But ATR deliveries run into 2016. I think the last delivery is late 2016.
It would be likely there will be more than 60 positions offered even for the guys who do turn out the lights.
As has been mentioned, not all 130 pilots may want to keep flying within the group.
As it is early days with lots of speculation and little fact, that doesn't help anyone.
It would be likely there will be more than 60 positions offered even for the guys who do turn out the lights.
As has been mentioned, not all 130 pilots may want to keep flying within the group.
As it is early days with lots of speculation and little fact, that doesn't help anyone.
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dont forget guys that betw now and when eagle stops flying there will still be the usual attrition rate from air nsn, mt cook and the jet fleets in the meantime.
some will maybe end up in jetstar/vanz/jetconnect, some perhaps who arent eligible for airnz jet interviews, some who flag it altogether, etc etc lots of reasons...
word is there are several of the over 65's not doing so well with the 320 conversions.
bit more to it than just 130 into 60.
some will maybe end up in jetstar/vanz/jetconnect, some perhaps who arent eligible for airnz jet interviews, some who flag it altogether, etc etc lots of reasons...
word is there are several of the over 65's not doing so well with the 320 conversions.
bit more to it than just 130 into 60.
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Totally agree with Waren9
In addition to continued retirements at big brother, there are two new routes (possibly 3) starting up over the next year which will absorb any overfill in the SO ranks. Things are not going that badly.
The doom and gloomers need to chill out a bit and show a bit more positivity
In addition to continued retirements at big brother, there are two new routes (possibly 3) starting up over the next year which will absorb any overfill in the SO ranks. Things are not going that badly.
The doom and gloomers need to chill out a bit and show a bit more positivity
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