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Some bad news. The Court Orders are finally available http://jmp.sh/441HkQQ and it can be seen that the Orders only refer to plaintiff's 1 and 2, the PNGAPA is not mentioned.
In essence this means the Judge has not acknowledged them in the Orders.
The PNGAPA lawyer will now have to lodge an appeal against the Orders and argue that they should be acknowledged. The appeal documents are due to be lodged on Monday 7th August.
If successful then this appeal will have to be heard first and then the appeal by Poxie.
This is a major kick in the guts for the expat group who have suffered for 2.5 years while this has been fought out under the PNG legal system. To say that the group is feeling deflated at the moment is a massive understatement.
Poxie would be laughing.
But this is just one battle hickup, the war however continues.
Stay solid guys.
In essence this means the Judge has not acknowledged them in the Orders.
The PNGAPA lawyer will now have to lodge an appeal against the Orders and argue that they should be acknowledged. The appeal documents are due to be lodged on Monday 7th August.
If successful then this appeal will have to be heard first and then the appeal by Poxie.
This is a major kick in the guts for the expat group who have suffered for 2.5 years while this has been fought out under the PNG legal system. To say that the group is feeling deflated at the moment is a massive understatement.
Poxie would be laughing.
But this is just one battle hickup, the war however continues.
Stay solid guys.
The war had been lost before it even started.
It's very clear now that the saga will continue for at least another 5 years.
Meanwhile the Kina is still loosing strength.
It's very clear now that the saga will continue for at least another 5 years.
Meanwhile the Kina is still loosing strength.
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I would say it's the last straw for most, all hope is gone.
Also heard a few trainers have stood up and said "enough is enough,no more training"
Good on them.
Also heard a few trainers have stood up and said "enough is enough,no more training"
Good on them.
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"Giving up hope is sometimes prudent in situations where turning your attention elsewhere is necessary for ones own sanity. Continuing to pursue a particular direction where you invariably encounter roadblocks can obscure other avenues that may lead to achieving an objective.
In our culture there is a particular glamour attributed to those who persist, and win, in spite of limited hope for success. At the same time, having the strength to recognise when hope should be relinquished, and the courage to acknowledge your helplessness, can point you in an unsullied direction that is accompanied by new hope."
There are some great jobs out there in the big wide world for professional pilots like you guys.
In our culture there is a particular glamour attributed to those who persist, and win, in spite of limited hope for success. At the same time, having the strength to recognise when hope should be relinquished, and the courage to acknowledge your helplessness, can point you in an unsullied direction that is accompanied by new hope."
There are some great jobs out there in the big wide world for professional pilots like you guys.
I have been informed that 3 Fokker checks have resigned their position.
Could be to do with Toofar overriding the checkies for a new employee who has command time on nothing bigger than a bongo and no PX time and given a Fokker command. Checks said put him in the right seat, Toofar said no, persist.
Whisper is the checkies want nothing to do with the upcoming bingle. Scary stuff happening now.
Also told of continual mechanical failures. Dash wheel shattering in the wheel well after take off, Fokker brakes failing on landing, luckily not at Madang are a couple of recent examples.
Poor maintenance and inexperienced crew are a recipe for disaster.
Evacuate, evacuate, evacuate is the current cry coming from the expats visitors.
Could be to do with Toofar overriding the checkies for a new employee who has command time on nothing bigger than a bongo and no PX time and given a Fokker command. Checks said put him in the right seat, Toofar said no, persist.
Whisper is the checkies want nothing to do with the upcoming bingle. Scary stuff happening now.
Also told of continual mechanical failures. Dash wheel shattering in the wheel well after take off, Fokker brakes failing on landing, luckily not at Madang are a couple of recent examples.
Poor maintenance and inexperienced crew are a recipe for disaster.
Evacuate, evacuate, evacuate is the current cry coming from the expats visitors.
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am told that the expats were not only not included in the orders from the Court, their Court Claim document was not even acknowledged even when it had been lodged in the court last year!!
also told that the National Union got given everything both Unions fought for, reinstatement of the 2012 Contract and damages for stress and suffering. Thats seem to mean that the National Union Pilots will be on up to 20% more than the current Expat A scalers and over 30% more than an expat on B scale.
Numbers wise, that will be 215 Aus Dollars plus bonuses for the Nation Union Pilots while the Expat will be on 166 Aus driving the same 737. Expat will have 2 weeks LESS leave, less a lot of other things and will need to commute on own time to and from in his own time, living in a compound next to the management office.
Feel so sorry for the guys, I can only guess how much they put into preparing for the Court case, the sense of being totally vindicated when they won the hearing they must have had, only to have the rug pulled out from under them in such a terrible way.
Not even there anymore and I feel devestated.
am told that the expats were not only not included in the orders from the Court, their Court Claim document was not even acknowledged even when it had been lodged in the court last year!!
also told that the National Union got given everything both Unions fought for, reinstatement of the 2012 Contract and damages for stress and suffering. Thats seem to mean that the National Union Pilots will be on up to 20% more than the current Expat A scalers and over 30% more than an expat on B scale.
Numbers wise, that will be 215 Aus Dollars plus bonuses for the Nation Union Pilots while the Expat will be on 166 Aus driving the same 737. Expat will have 2 weeks LESS leave, less a lot of other things and will need to commute on own time to and from in his own time, living in a compound next to the management office.
Feel so sorry for the guys, I can only guess how much they put into preparing for the Court case, the sense of being totally vindicated when they won the hearing they must have had, only to have the rug pulled out from under them in such a terrible way.
Not even there anymore and I feel devestated.
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As a "Wall of Famer" if feel shattered for those who are left.
Hopefully this just turns out be some sort of clerical error that will be resolved.
If not, this is a travesty of justice and another blemish on the legal and political system.
Getting out of ANG and PNG should now be a priority for those whom are left.
GYS
Hopefully this just turns out be some sort of clerical error that will be resolved.
If not, this is a travesty of justice and another blemish on the legal and political system.
Getting out of ANG and PNG should now be a priority for those whom are left.
GYS
Those court orders are a travesty.
I was Engineering but just got on a flight and left back in 2012, rang John Roberts from the Qantas Club in Cairns to say I wouldn't be in.
Still got a few mates up there and it's time to leave alright.
I was Engineering but just got on a flight and left back in 2012, rang John Roberts from the Qantas Club in Cairns to say I wouldn't be in.
Still got a few mates up there and it's time to leave alright.
My information is that it has so far cost the PNGAPA around K250,000 plus in legal fees for no recognition by the Court yet NAPU who have contributed very little are recognised and will revert back to the 2012 contract.
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I am so sorry for all the expats left in Air Niugini. I, like others here on this forum, got out of ANG a few years back when the mongrels turned on us.
While I also feel gutted by this news I am not surprised. I have been waiting to see how ANG and its corrupt political masters would screw the expats because, that they would, was always a forgone conclusion.
For those that still cling to hope of a good outcome I say the time has come to accept that you are not wanted. You are being used. You are effectively indentured slaves. If you are happy with that situation then stay. If not then you should leave now. The choice is now very obvious. It's up to you. But please do not delude yourself that there is going to be a good outcome for expats.
While I also feel gutted by this news I am not surprised. I have been waiting to see how ANG and its corrupt political masters would screw the expats because, that they would, was always a forgone conclusion.
For those that still cling to hope of a good outcome I say the time has come to accept that you are not wanted. You are being used. You are effectively indentured slaves. If you are happy with that situation then stay. If not then you should leave now. The choice is now very obvious. It's up to you. But please do not delude yourself that there is going to be a good outcome for expats.
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Having left last year (like many) I had fingers crossed for the guys who remain, and hoped that the judiciary would actually impart a fair verdict.
A complete loss in the case was always possible, but this half assed
buggerance of an outcome is both surprising yet entirely predictable. As many have already said here, it seems the outcome was forgone. 
I would suggest that a bulky brown envelope made its way between those who had to much to lose and whomsoever made the decision.
It seems the only outcome remaining for those who hung on is to bail out, as many have already said.
A complete loss in the case was always possible, but this half assed
buggerance of an outcome is both surprising yet entirely predictable. As many have already said here, it seems the outcome was forgone. I would suggest that a bulky brown envelope made its way between those who had to much to lose and whomsoever made the decision.
It seems the only outcome remaining for those who hung on is to bail out, as many have already said.
Just been corrected, it was not K250,000 it was K340,000+ which makes the situation even worse.
Also remember that expats pay wise will be around 30% less than the Nationals when they revert back to the 2012 contract.
Also remember that expats pay wise will be around 30% less than the Nationals when they revert back to the 2012 contract.
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The judge's verdict found the defendant's breached PNG constitutional and industrial law. This finding should be ample for the industrial relations commision to take action against Air Niugini Ltd and correct those breaches.
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As one of the 'Wall of Famers' following the case I'm truely disappointed in the turn of events. But, not surprised! The joys of doing business in a corrupt developing country.
We all hope that it is a clerical error and that all will be rectified so that the three Plaintiffs are standing on the same ground. Unfortunately I do not believe this is the case. The court orders are too Black and White to be the case.
Political influence, loss of face, and corruption will leave these men high and dry.
We all hope that it is a clerical error and that all will be rectified so that the three Plaintiffs are standing on the same ground. Unfortunately I do not believe this is the case. The court orders are too Black and White to be the case.
Political influence, loss of face, and corruption will leave these men high and dry.
What of the RAAFie who was apparently on his way there after a HKG gig fell through??
Here is an article about the terminated 8. Have a look at the responses.
http://www.looppng.com/png-news/supreme-court-dismisses-pilots’-appeal-64395
Also been informed that a directive has been issued from very high up in the political ranks to other PNG companies that if they employ any of them then they may have issues renewing their AOC's and expats work permits.
Who said PNG is corrupt.
As for the Raffie, B scale 2015 contract I am told. Clever Raffie.
http://www.looppng.com/png-news/supreme-court-dismisses-pilots’-appeal-64395
Also been informed that a directive has been issued from very high up in the political ranks to other PNG companies that if they employ any of them then they may have issues renewing their AOC's and expats work permits.
Who said PNG is corrupt.
As for the Raffie, B scale 2015 contract I am told. Clever Raffie.