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Duck Pilot,
Yep, I understand that, what I am saying is that while just about everyone (apparently) has a application in to just about every other airline in the World, am saying that it is it not a point of just packing up and moving...there is a a time factor in the exodus.
Mates tell me that the next round of resignations (after their last abysmal contract) is starting.
Though not convinced about plenty work in Aus.
To Goat Rider's comment..."they have fallen in love with their captors" hahaha, hahaha, hahaha, ROFLMAO, Double ROFLMAO. MMMMM, Lets see....No Way Jose!!!
The Big E...Mates tell me that it is in Guangzhou...who, sorry haven't any idea.
Yep, I understand that, what I am saying is that while just about everyone (apparently) has a application in to just about every other airline in the World, am saying that it is it not a point of just packing up and moving...there is a a time factor in the exodus.
Mates tell me that the next round of resignations (after their last abysmal contract) is starting.
Though not convinced about plenty work in Aus.
To Goat Rider's comment..."they have fallen in love with their captors" hahaha, hahaha, hahaha, ROFLMAO, Double ROFLMAO. MMMMM, Lets see....No Way Jose!!!
The Big E...Mates tell me that it is in Guangzhou...who, sorry haven't any idea.
PX have just advised all staff that parents are no longer entitled to concessional travel unless they are proven to be financially dependent on the employee. This is also now limited to 2 travels per year.
There are further restrictions but this is the one that is causing the most concern.
Things must be getting a bit tight with the reducing Kina.
PX have also advertised for external FO's. You have been warned!
There are further restrictions but this is the one that is causing the most concern.
Things must be getting a bit tight with the reducing Kina.
PX have also advertised for external FO's. You have been warned!
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Asked a former colleague about the current adverts for direct entry Fokker FO's
Saw the PX ad you were talking about. This is what I reckon.
“A competitive salary package will be provided to attract the right candidate”.
The current contract for a F100 FO is: PGK 249,888.
On today’s exchange rate of .42 c this equals: $AUD 104,952.
PNG Tax is high, out of this expect to pay: $AUD 39,000.
Yearly take home will be around: $AUD 66,000.
AND THERE IS NO SUPERANNUATION.
Comparing apples and oranges I would have to compare it to what you would get in Aus, (Don't know US) say you earned about $AUD 87,000 in Oz, you would pay $AUD 23,000 in tax/medicare, so your take home pay would be the same BUT you would receive an extra 9%+ in super, about $AUD 8,000. Prob get the same as an FO on a Turbo prop on Aus. So Competitive is prob stretching the truth, especially for having to live in PNG and having to pay bills in a 1st world country. Prob ok if you were just starting out but. And heres the kicker, the Kina has gone from .47 to .42 in very short time; there is no real commitment from the company to keep the salary tied to any currency other than the Kina. So say the kina dropped to .30 the salary in AUD salary will drop to around $AUD 45,000. Check out the XE website, scary stuff if you are getting paid in Kina and paying the mortgage and kids school fees.
The positions are Moresby based. There has never been a commuting contract, but there used to be offshore basing but that has changed now; it is all POM based, but PX has made up this term “Domicile offshore”. Up to two tickets will be provided for you to travel to either BNE or CNS (if Australia is your Domicile). Ten days off a block are given, but really the best hoped for visiting Domicile would be either 2 breaks of 4 days, or one break of 7 days (the remaining days off need to be used to give 7th day off in country). You will be have to travel in you own time so your days at home will be not be much…4 days off = one day to travel home, two days at home and one day to travel back. Of course you could move your family to POM…(but personally I sure as hell wouldn’t contemplate that). And there is only 4 weeks annual leave, they took two weeks to make up the extra two days off a month.But whether this will apply to any new guys being hired I wouldn’t have a clue. When in POM the “offshore domiciles” will live in this new Accommodation Block being built at the airport, right where the Management will work. Imagine coming back from somewhere like the Derro and seeing the COE or Board Member in the lift, haha.
The Future
PX really is no longer a career airline for an expat as it doesn't require to offer it. it has a very big Cadet system…it even has a self-funded Cadet system. Promotion to the left seat for any joining right now would have to thought unlikely. Really, Expats are only to fill the seats until the cadet system reaches self sufficiency.
In the in-flight magazine “Paradise” the Chairman when talking about the airlines routes stated “that a significant number of services are unprofitable, whilst others are at best marginal. No less than half of these services fall into the unprofitable category”. With the Government having financial problems of their own, one has to worry when the PX Chairman starts using that unprofitable word,… wonder where the money will come from if a large portion of the routes is unprofitable.
Endorsement
One upside of the contract is that the endorsement is provided. There is a $AUD 30,000 bond for it but that reduces equally over 24 months. From hire to first Revenue flight will be about 4 to 6 months and add on the 500 hours to be employable will chop that bond in half. But nobody working at PX knows anybody that ever paid the bond, (PX might withhold any monies owing to you when you leave though) so it would be a cheap way of getting a jet endorsement if you weren't getting any bites from anywhere else and nobody would disrespect anyone for not paying out a bond and simply leaving. This is because there is no respect what so ever from Management to the Pilots and cause of this neither the other way. As soon as guys get checked they forward of their updated resume to every airline they can think of, good on em.
Closing
As an expat is a not a nice place to work atm (that is at the Management level, not grassroots or pilot level). Example a senior Expat Captain got “retrenched” recently way out seniority, the only explanation was that he was extra to needs, even though he was the only one. In the past Management has just not bothered to apply for an extension to guys work permit so off you go. No excuses are needed. Everyone wonders who will be next, who wont get a contract or who work permit lapses so you suddenly become an illegal.
Both Unions have taken to suing against ANG about the lack of negotiations for the last contract. This is in the courts as we speak. But the next conditions contract is due next year (less than 12 months away!!) and everyone believes/knows that will provide for even worse conditions.
Also politics bit messy at present. PNG Loop (online news mag) has fair bit on that Not sure how that is going to end.
All the best
“A competitive salary package will be provided to attract the right candidate”.
The current contract for a F100 FO is: PGK 249,888.
On today’s exchange rate of .42 c this equals: $AUD 104,952.
PNG Tax is high, out of this expect to pay: $AUD 39,000.
Yearly take home will be around: $AUD 66,000.
AND THERE IS NO SUPERANNUATION.
Comparing apples and oranges I would have to compare it to what you would get in Aus, (Don't know US) say you earned about $AUD 87,000 in Oz, you would pay $AUD 23,000 in tax/medicare, so your take home pay would be the same BUT you would receive an extra 9%+ in super, about $AUD 8,000. Prob get the same as an FO on a Turbo prop on Aus. So Competitive is prob stretching the truth, especially for having to live in PNG and having to pay bills in a 1st world country. Prob ok if you were just starting out but. And heres the kicker, the Kina has gone from .47 to .42 in very short time; there is no real commitment from the company to keep the salary tied to any currency other than the Kina. So say the kina dropped to .30 the salary in AUD salary will drop to around $AUD 45,000. Check out the XE website, scary stuff if you are getting paid in Kina and paying the mortgage and kids school fees.
The positions are Moresby based. There has never been a commuting contract, but there used to be offshore basing but that has changed now; it is all POM based, but PX has made up this term “Domicile offshore”. Up to two tickets will be provided for you to travel to either BNE or CNS (if Australia is your Domicile). Ten days off a block are given, but really the best hoped for visiting Domicile would be either 2 breaks of 4 days, or one break of 7 days (the remaining days off need to be used to give 7th day off in country). You will be have to travel in you own time so your days at home will be not be much…4 days off = one day to travel home, two days at home and one day to travel back. Of course you could move your family to POM…(but personally I sure as hell wouldn’t contemplate that). And there is only 4 weeks annual leave, they took two weeks to make up the extra two days off a month.But whether this will apply to any new guys being hired I wouldn’t have a clue. When in POM the “offshore domiciles” will live in this new Accommodation Block being built at the airport, right where the Management will work. Imagine coming back from somewhere like the Derro and seeing the COE or Board Member in the lift, haha.
The Future
PX really is no longer a career airline for an expat as it doesn't require to offer it. it has a very big Cadet system…it even has a self-funded Cadet system. Promotion to the left seat for any joining right now would have to thought unlikely. Really, Expats are only to fill the seats until the cadet system reaches self sufficiency.
In the in-flight magazine “Paradise” the Chairman when talking about the airlines routes stated “that a significant number of services are unprofitable, whilst others are at best marginal. No less than half of these services fall into the unprofitable category”. With the Government having financial problems of their own, one has to worry when the PX Chairman starts using that unprofitable word,… wonder where the money will come from if a large portion of the routes is unprofitable.
Endorsement
One upside of the contract is that the endorsement is provided. There is a $AUD 30,000 bond for it but that reduces equally over 24 months. From hire to first Revenue flight will be about 4 to 6 months and add on the 500 hours to be employable will chop that bond in half. But nobody working at PX knows anybody that ever paid the bond, (PX might withhold any monies owing to you when you leave though) so it would be a cheap way of getting a jet endorsement if you weren't getting any bites from anywhere else and nobody would disrespect anyone for not paying out a bond and simply leaving. This is because there is no respect what so ever from Management to the Pilots and cause of this neither the other way. As soon as guys get checked they forward of their updated resume to every airline they can think of, good on em.
Closing
As an expat is a not a nice place to work atm (that is at the Management level, not grassroots or pilot level). Example a senior Expat Captain got “retrenched” recently way out seniority, the only explanation was that he was extra to needs, even though he was the only one. In the past Management has just not bothered to apply for an extension to guys work permit so off you go. No excuses are needed. Everyone wonders who will be next, who wont get a contract or who work permit lapses so you suddenly become an illegal.
Both Unions have taken to suing against ANG about the lack of negotiations for the last contract. This is in the courts as we speak. But the next conditions contract is due next year (less than 12 months away!!) and everyone believes/knows that will provide for even worse conditions.
Also politics bit messy at present. PNG Loop (online news mag) has fair bit on that Not sure how that is going to end.
All the best
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Co-pilot time on a F100/70 - next to useless getting you a job anywhere outside of Australia. Certainly not worth the pain and suffering of spending 2-3 years in that sh*t hole Port Morbid.
If you have any self respect don't go - unless you like the concept of being a slave!
If you do go don't complain later - you have been adequately warned!!!!
If you have any self respect don't go - unless you like the concept of being a slave!
If you do go don't complain later - you have been adequately warned!!!!
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So ANG replaces its modern Q400 fleet with 27 year old technology F70's, but PNG Air (AIRLINES PNG, MBA) gets new technology, brand new,of the production line, ATR72-600's.
Am I missing something here??
But, giving due where it is due, have to say, do prefer the passenger flight in the Fokker for its space and comfort over the turbo prop
Am I missing something here??
But, giving due where it is due, have to say, do prefer the passenger flight in the Fokker for its space and comfort over the turbo prop
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For those of you about to apply for the positions recently advertised. Please rember that the pilot body is currently in an industrial dispute with ANG management and is spending vast amounts of money in legal fees, along with working strictly to contract( not working days off or overtime). The mear act of even applying for such positions undermines the cause of the pilot body. ( to create better conditions for all). So please before applying please think of the consequences of your action on everybody else.
So ANG replaces its modern Q400 fleet with 27 year old technology F70's, but PNG Air (AIRLINES PNG, MBA) gets new technology, brand new,of the production line, ATR72-600's.
Am I missing something here??
But, giving due where it is due, have to say, do prefer the passenger flight in the Fokker for its space and comfort over the turbo prop
Am I missing something here??
But, giving due where it is due, have to say, do prefer the passenger flight in the Fokker for its space and comfort over the turbo prop
Plus the 400 is different LRUs, tooling and licensing to the Dash classics. Whereas the F70 is similar LRUs, same tooling as the F100, and no licence changes so makes $$sense there.
PNG Air needed to go the new aircraft route and kill the APNG name at the same time to stay alive...now to get some work :/
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"The Q400's can't handle the terrain..." Mate have you ever flown a Q400? They pi** all over the terrain. Can depart Nadzab and be 6000 feet passing abeam the field and have made 18000 feet inside of 20 dme at pretty much MTOW without breaking a sweat...
Reasons for Q400 sale got NOTHING to do with performance.
"The Q400's can't handle the terrain..." Mate have you ever flown a Q400? They pi** all over the terrain. Can depart Nadzab and be 6000 feet passing abeam the field and have made 18000 feet inside of 20 dme at pretty much MTOW without breaking a sweat...
Reasons for Q400 sale got NOTHING to do with performance.
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Was told that the Q400 would initially out climb the Fokker so fortybelow has a point.
PX certainly had too many types, DH8 classics, DH8 400's, Fokker, B737, B767, so with all the required spares, maintenance and training must have been a killer expenditure wise, so the idea of reducing types was a smart move.
However PX airframes have become LG (last generation, with the noted exception of the 737NG).
PX certainly had too many types, DH8 classics, DH8 400's, Fokker, B737, B767, so with all the required spares, maintenance and training must have been a killer expenditure wise, so the idea of reducing types was a smart move.
However PX airframes have become LG (last generation, with the noted exception of the 737NG).
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The advertisement for PX has been removed from the AFAP website.
And who was responsible for doing so?
Maybe they read this forum?
I thought ANG were considering ATRs as a replacement for all the Dash 8s, have they sill got the 72 freighter?
I thought ANG were considering ATRs as a replacement for all the Dash 8s, have they sill got the 72 freighter?
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The ATR(XX)-42 Freighter crashed on take off and burnt itself out at Madang, the -72 went back to Europe not so long ago..end of contract type of stuff.
Was told that ANG were going to try a Dash Classic as a Combo for freight. No idea if it eventuated
Now, if there is a country that needs a dedicated freighter company..PNG is it.
Was told that ANG were going to try a Dash Classic as a Combo for freight. No idea if it eventuated
Now, if there is a country that needs a dedicated freighter company..PNG is it.
Couple of these would pay for themselves pretty quickly in PNG
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How the big wheel turns... In the mid 80's PX took delivery of the only 3 Dash 7 Combi aircraft with a cargo door. They were used primarily for the Ok Tedi contract and doing freight around the country... veggies from GKA, beef from Lae, Goods for Bougainville Copper etc... Although expensive and received through a shady deal conducted by the Late Iambakey Okuk, I believe they paid their way and made money in the end. Great for high angle approaches and low level manoeuvring in the valleys but not much speed in the cruise. The only aircraft fitted with bird strike protection on the wing trailing edges. 
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