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Old 7th Nov 2019, 10:18
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Allow another 6 months to get through all the immigration aspects and the CASA PNG licencing and approval processes.

Thought PX would already have a couple of ex Q400 check and trainers within their existing pilot group.

How many airframes are they looking at?
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Old 13th Nov 2019, 02:24
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Am I missing something?

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SUBJECT: Carriage of Life Raft POM-HIR-POM sectors

In accordance with rule part 91.525 (c.) Carriage of life raft(s) is not required


91.525 Flights over water to more than 200 nm

(a) An aircraft that is operated on a flight over water must be equipped with one life jacket or equivalent floatation device for each person on board and stowed in a position easily accessible from the seat or berth of the person for whose use it is provided if-

(1) the aircraft is a single-engine aircraft, and the flight distance to shore is more than gliding distance for the aircraft; or

(2) the aircraft is a multi-engine aircraft that is unable to maintain a height of at least 1000 feet AMSL with one engine inoperative, and the flight distance to shore is more than gliding distance for the aircraft; or

(3) the aircraft is a multi-engine aircraft that is capable of maintaining a height of at least 1000 feet AMSL with one engine inoperative and the flight distance to shore is more than 50 nm.

(b) A single engine aircraft, or multi-engine aircraft that is unable to maintain a height of at least 1000 feet AMSL with one engine inoperative, that is operated on a flight over water that extends to more than 100 nm from shore must be equipped with-

(1) enough life-rafts with buoyancy and rated capacity to accommodate all the occupants of the aircraft;and

(2) a survival locater light on each life-raft; and

(3) a survival kit, appropriately equipped for the route to be flown, attached to each required life-raft; and

(4) at least one pyrotechnic signalling device on each life-raft; and

(5) one ELT(S) or one EPIRB.

(c) A multi-engine aircraft that is capable of continuing flight with one or more engines inoperative, that is operated on a flight over water that extends to more than 200 nm from shore must be equipped with the equipment specified in paragraph (b).

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Old 13th Nov 2019, 03:22
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Just this bit......

121.361 Flights over-water

A holder of an air operator certificate must ensure that each of the certificate holder’s aeroplanes configured for more than 30 passenger seats and operated over-water on flights where life rafts are required by rule 91.525 to be carried, is equipped with sufficient life rafts with buoyancy and overload capacity to accommodate every occupant of the aeroplane in the event of a loss of one raft of the largest rated capacity.
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Old 13th Nov 2019, 10:24
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Part 91 requirements are also required as they are the foundation flight operations rules, unless Part 121 has a cutout specifically referring to the Part 91 reg. Only other way around it is for the operator to have a CASA PNG approval to operate outside the requirements of the regulations - exemption.

Trust me as I once wrote this stuff after I left PX🤡🤡🤡
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Old 13th Nov 2019, 10:43
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Interesting.
Needs clarification but I was under the impression no life rafts on Dash 8-400 between Cairns - Port Moresby - Cairns?
I'll admit I am way out of my depth but I was under the impression a certain operator does not carry life rafts between SYD and Lord Howe Island and possibly BNE to Norfolk in a Dash 8 ?
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Old 13th Nov 2019, 11:27
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Read the regs, and read them again and again and again and again and more. Very hard to digest exactly what the requirements are. All written by lawyers, not pilots....
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Old 13th Nov 2019, 22:04
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Originally Posted by Office Update View Post
Interesting.
Needs clarification but I was under the impression no life rafts on Dash 8-400 between Cairns - Port Moresby - Cairns?
I'll admit I am way out of my depth but I was under the impression a certain operator does not carry life rafts between SYD and Lord Howe Island and possibly BNE to Norfolk in a Dash 8 ?
Correct. No life rafts on QLink Dash 8's.
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Old 15th Nov 2019, 05:12
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GURNEY (AYGN) to HENDERSON (AGGH) is 580 nm, GURNEY to BUKA (AYBK) is 390 nm, and HENDERSON to BUKA is 400nm. Would have thought that if tracking DCT GURNEY HENDERSON on route B598 that the closest point to an airfield (BUKA - for the Fokker at least) would be at the halfway point, and then it would still be outside of 200 nm, - about 250 nm or so. Old guy, think we both missing something here.

POM to CNS no issue, quite a few airports between.

RE no life rafts on the QLink Dash 8 flight to Lord Howe, this link will take you to a pretty good Ben Sandilands 2011 Crickey.com article. https://blogs.crikey.com.au/planetal...in-a-ditching/
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Old 15th Nov 2019, 06:50
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NCD,
I think at the time the Dash8-400 came under Dickie Smith affordable safety/statistics ramblings
A concession was granted ?? on the basis that the Dash was capable of flying BNE to Norfolk, missed approach followed by engine failure and depress and then carry on to the approved alternate aerodrome
Airframe was a proven quantity, engine ticked all the boxes so to speak
Regardless of the comfort factor of flight crew, the bean counters love it when more paying pax sit on bums!
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Old 15th Nov 2019, 07:17
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Originally Posted by NCD View Post
Old guy, think we both missing something here.
No, don't think so.
Methinks lawyers would have fun with this if there was a ditching.

Also hearing of a new rostering policy of office duty instead of being on reserve. Clever... ....... Not.


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Old 15th Nov 2019, 11:17
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A multi-engine aircraft that is capable of continuing flight with one or more engines inoperative, that is operated on a flight over water that extends to more than 200 nm from shore must be equipped with the equipment specified in paragraph
Note that the regs specify more than 200 nautical miles from shore (i.e. land), not 200 nm from a suitable airport.
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Old 15th Nov 2019, 11:42
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Did note that...guess there would be some attols on the route.

As posted just before, Ben Sandilands covers it well in his article regarding a different airline, AND he explains it much better than I could.
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Old 21st Nov 2019, 11:42
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PX engine failure at Mt. Hagen 20th Nov

PX Dash 8-200 P2-ANK suffered an engine failure at Mt. Hagen on departure yesterday 20th Nov, apparently …
Returned to land. Aircraft already back in POM according to Flight Aware
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Old 22nd Nov 2019, 11:03
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Sounds like a no brainer, crew done what they were trained to do. Good result!

Kilo is a 200 so it would have performed well out of Hagen, obviously they were able to feather the effected prop or it feathered itself.
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Old 27th Nov 2019, 11:12
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They done did Duck.
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Old 7th Dec 2019, 14:02
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Reference the life rafts, it's only 160nm (roughly) from Woodlark Island to Vella La Vella Island. So the flight wouldn't be more than 100nm from some land mass at any stage of the flight.
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Old 7th Dec 2019, 22:59
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A perfect example of "World's best practice."
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Old 8th Dec 2019, 09:52
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And they have never put one in the water yet..................oh wait...........
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Old 8th Dec 2019, 20:00
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Guys you are reading way too much into this life raft carry on. Anything outside the bounds of legality, safety and common sense then the forth floor may issue a dispensation. Too easy.
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Old 9th Dec 2019, 07:16
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4th floor issue a dispensation???

Exactly under who’s authority? I assume CASA haven’t relocated to the 4th floor of ANG Haus, or have they🤡
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