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Over 65 is possible if their is an agreement between governments. So Australia may have a formal agreement in place with NZ. Virgin couldn’t apply on POM route unless Aus and PNG government had a agreement.
Dash8 & Fokker both direct entry & cadets are on better conditions now then they have ever been on at Pixie.
Virgin use Alliance on the BNE-POM run now.
MD is having a red hot go
Virgin use Alliance on the BNE-POM run now.
MD is having a red hot go
So keep them on domestic or Rh seat international or cull. We know which option the MD supports. Having a red hot go at continuing the ECP.
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I hope you don’t mind a second intervention by a simple PAX in your deliberations in this thread, but as one who puts some of their somewhat limited resources into paying some of those of you up fronts wages each month, (if ANZ Bank has enough foreign currency to transfer payment to your homeland – presently I’m three months behind), I do have another observation to make.
I just received a package from ANG for my ANG Destinations Executive Club card. All gold and pretty and my name surprisingly spelled correctly.
In the bag was a magazine entitled Paradise Annual 2018! A chunky brochure extolling the delights of PNG and full of the ads you see in the Paradise Magazine you see on board any Pixie flight. OK this is PNG and they are not quite ready for the 2019 edition by mid April.
I took to reading the magazine as yet again the Internet was down and the think was the nearest thing to read in the gloom. There was a wonderful message from the Chairman of ANG.
“Air Niugini now flies regularly to and from most of the major centres in the Asia-Pacific region, including Hong Kong, Singapore, Tokyo, Manila, Bali, Sydney, Brisbane, Cairns, Townsville, Nadi, Honiara, Pohnpei, and Chuuk”.
Wonderful.
I hope that someone tells him for the 2019 edition that ANG only fly daily to two of the destinations, and no longer fly to three of them. Oh yes he brags about passenger and freight services to Shanghai. I’ve noticed that the posters advertising those flights have recently been taken down at the Waterfront Mall.
The more interesting thing and maybe appropriate lines come later.
“…we will soon be preparing in earnest for the arrival of two new Boeing 737-MAX aircraft in 2020, with two more to follow in 2021”.
Try as I might, I’ve not read of any concerns about the purchase or not of these four aircraft since the sad episodes in Indonesia and Ethiopia. Are any of you up front scheduled for training on these aircraft. Any of you any idea about the purchase?
By the way, yes there have been a few issues with my ANG flights but those of you up front, and the boys and girls of the airline taking care of us in the back do a great and professional service - even if some of you are around the age of 65.!!!
I just received a package from ANG for my ANG Destinations Executive Club card. All gold and pretty and my name surprisingly spelled correctly.
In the bag was a magazine entitled Paradise Annual 2018! A chunky brochure extolling the delights of PNG and full of the ads you see in the Paradise Magazine you see on board any Pixie flight. OK this is PNG and they are not quite ready for the 2019 edition by mid April.
I took to reading the magazine as yet again the Internet was down and the think was the nearest thing to read in the gloom. There was a wonderful message from the Chairman of ANG.
“Air Niugini now flies regularly to and from most of the major centres in the Asia-Pacific region, including Hong Kong, Singapore, Tokyo, Manila, Bali, Sydney, Brisbane, Cairns, Townsville, Nadi, Honiara, Pohnpei, and Chuuk”.
Wonderful.
I hope that someone tells him for the 2019 edition that ANG only fly daily to two of the destinations, and no longer fly to three of them. Oh yes he brags about passenger and freight services to Shanghai. I’ve noticed that the posters advertising those flights have recently been taken down at the Waterfront Mall.
The more interesting thing and maybe appropriate lines come later.
“…we will soon be preparing in earnest for the arrival of two new Boeing 737-MAX aircraft in 2020, with two more to follow in 2021”.
Try as I might, I’ve not read of any concerns about the purchase or not of these four aircraft since the sad episodes in Indonesia and Ethiopia. Are any of you up front scheduled for training on these aircraft. Any of you any idea about the purchase?
By the way, yes there have been a few issues with my ANG flights but those of you up front, and the boys and girls of the airline taking care of us in the back do a great and professional service - even if some of you are around the age of 65.!!!
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I know, I said I would stay out of it....BUT.
Chop, you say that "The MD is having a red hot go'.... Well yes, he does TALK THE TALK, but no walking yet.....I suggest that if any PX pilot thinks he is a friend, they should remember that he has come from QF, learnt his management skills from QF, and dont forget that QF locked it pilots out of the workplace (and made them resort to wearing red ties
.)
Your point regarding Cadets, you might just very well be a newcomer to PX, BUT ACTUALLY AM had nought to do with the conditions of the Cadets.
HISTORY.....In order to cut costs (to survive?, or make bonuses? or whatever) the then Management of PX and the GMFO came up with the idea that the Cadets who had made Command would be designated as DH8 Cadet Captains, with the big gotcha being that they would be paid a Cadet Captain salary, a big discount to the "REAL DH8 CAPTAINS"
This led to several EXTREMELY (and I mean extremely talented) Cadets leaving for other fields.....so the then Management changed the package to once again follow what the previous system was, and enjoyed by many of the current 767 Captains. SO Mr CHOP, the current conditions for the Cadets had nothing to do with the now MD, it was all done and dusted well before he got there....but keep blowing smoke....
To your point that DCT entry are better off than ever, in 2015 I suffer a 19% deficit in salary, that has continued to more than 24% deficit in 2019. Supported by the fact that the two Unions spent over 600,000 Kina, and ANG prob spend a Mil plus (2 Mill +???) on its International Law Firm, and Australian Queens Council to defend itself suggests that your assertion that everybody is better of is maybe slanted a little towards your management thoughts.
But I do ponder that perhaps you might not be simply a stirrer as suggested, just perhaps someone supportive of the Pilot cause in that you have continued to keep this as a top 5 post....and are dragging out the real facts that relate to PX. If so, keep on doing so, as you are doing an excellent job.
Debate is good...but truth and facts are better, are they not??
If it is the later I salute you, if it is the former well I think you may be somewhat deluded.
(PS Chop: send me your email address and Ill send you the pay scales, conditions and also contract for 2012 and you can compare them to the 2015, 16, 17, 18, 19 nil progression pay scales, and then you can try and argue how much better we are not off
).
Loud Handle...sorry that I may have come across bitter and twisted...I can assure you that I am not at all, simply putting the facts and the truth out there...but thanks for your concerns, it is appreciated.
Chop, you say that "The MD is having a red hot go'.... Well yes, he does TALK THE TALK, but no walking yet.....I suggest that if any PX pilot thinks he is a friend, they should remember that he has come from QF, learnt his management skills from QF, and dont forget that QF locked it pilots out of the workplace (and made them resort to wearing red ties
.)Your point regarding Cadets, you might just very well be a newcomer to PX, BUT ACTUALLY AM had nought to do with the conditions of the Cadets.
HISTORY.....In order to cut costs (to survive?, or make bonuses? or whatever) the then Management of PX and the GMFO came up with the idea that the Cadets who had made Command would be designated as DH8 Cadet Captains, with the big gotcha being that they would be paid a Cadet Captain salary, a big discount to the "REAL DH8 CAPTAINS"
This led to several EXTREMELY (and I mean extremely talented) Cadets leaving for other fields.....so the then Management changed the package to once again follow what the previous system was, and enjoyed by many of the current 767 Captains. SO Mr CHOP, the current conditions for the Cadets had nothing to do with the now MD, it was all done and dusted well before he got there....but keep blowing smoke....
To your point that DCT entry are better off than ever, in 2015 I suffer a 19% deficit in salary, that has continued to more than 24% deficit in 2019. Supported by the fact that the two Unions spent over 600,000 Kina, and ANG prob spend a Mil plus (2 Mill +???) on its International Law Firm, and Australian Queens Council to defend itself suggests that your assertion that everybody is better of is maybe slanted a little towards your management thoughts.
But I do ponder that perhaps you might not be simply a stirrer as suggested, just perhaps someone supportive of the Pilot cause in that you have continued to keep this as a top 5 post....and are dragging out the real facts that relate to PX. If so, keep on doing so, as you are doing an excellent job.
Debate is good...but truth and facts are better, are they not??
If it is the later I salute you, if it is the former well I think you may be somewhat deluded.
(PS Chop: send me your email address and Ill send you the pay scales, conditions and also contract for 2012 and you can compare them to the 2015, 16, 17, 18, 19 nil progression pay scales, and then you can try and argue how much better we are not off
).Loud Handle...sorry that I may have come across bitter and twisted...I can assure you that I am not at all, simply putting the facts and the truth out there...but thanks for your concerns, it is appreciated.
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Lots to think about in the recent posts.
A quick couple questions as the previous doesn’t make sense;
Everyone is angry due to people being let go due to coming of age (65)?
And yet
Everyone is angry that people of age (65) haven’t been offered jobs in domestic under the worst conditions known to
pilots? If it’s that rubbish why would they want to stay after reaching 65?
Very confusing.
Fokker & Dash pilots, both FOs & Captain are now doing FIFO.
Loss 24% of their salary yet now they now get 50% time off?
A quick couple questions as the previous doesn’t make sense;
Everyone is angry due to people being let go due to coming of age (65)?
And yet
Everyone is angry that people of age (65) haven’t been offered jobs in domestic under the worst conditions known to
pilots? If it’s that rubbish why would they want to stay after reaching 65?
Very confusing.
Fokker & Dash pilots, both FOs & Captain are now doing FIFO.
Loss 24% of their salary yet now they now get 50% time off?
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ICAO does not “rule” as such, it makes recommendations which each country can choose to adopt as rules in their airspace.... or not.
Age 65 is one such recommendation. It applies only in the country whose rules explicitly state it. Inconveniently, to us fossils, it also applies if youre simply over flying the airspace of such a country whose rules dictate a maximum age. The complications of rostering cause the over 65s to be dispatched to the glue factory.
A few countries choose to ignore certain inconvenient ICAO recommendations while others enthusiastically add on even more layers of rules, exceptions and complications because they “know best”.
Age 65 is one such recommendation. It applies only in the country whose rules explicitly state it. Inconveniently, to us fossils, it also applies if youre simply over flying the airspace of such a country whose rules dictate a maximum age. The complications of rostering cause the over 65s to be dispatched to the glue factory.
A few countries choose to ignore certain inconvenient ICAO recommendations while others enthusiastically add on even more layers of rules, exceptions and complications because they “know best”.
My sources tell me recently 3 were terminated with a total of 700 hours line training between them and none checked to line. There have been a few more before them but 4th floor doesn't care about these costs and will not listen to C&T Captains of Fleet Managers. How many times have they heard keep training them until they pass.
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Someone mentioned indirectly that the cadet program has been dropped, is it correct that they no longer have cadets doing abinitio training offshore?
When is the first 737 Max expected to be delivered? Might be sooner than later if Boeing can sort the technical issues out.
When is the first 737 Max expected to be delivered? Might be sooner than later if Boeing can sort the technical issues out.
LinkPNG expanding with another 3 Dash8’s being leased and Q400s with 75% chance of being added to their AOC.
The famous 3 haven’t been sacked yet as it’s still pending. Policy & procedures not followed.
Pilot Cadet program finished in 2017.
The famous 3 haven’t been sacked yet as it’s still pending. Policy & procedures not followed.
Pilot Cadet program finished in 2017.
Offshore Cadet Pilot Training
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“Someone mentioned indirectly that the cadet program has been dropped, is it correct that they no longer have cadets doing abinitio training offshore?”
I am now in Coffs Harbour and have not seen Lik Lik draiver blo Balus for several years now.
No more proud uniformed boys and Méris walking airside from the demountable with the gym.
No more wantoks walking to town with bilums.
Few years back Had an aerobatic light go into terrain east of the field and just in from the dunes. 1st thing I said was get the PNG guys up here to cut us a track in.
“Someone mentioned indirectly that the cadet program has been dropped, is it correct that they no longer have cadets doing abinitio training offshore?”
I am now in Coffs Harbour and have not seen Lik Lik draiver blo Balus for several years now.
No more proud uniformed boys and Méris walking airside from the demountable with the gym.
No more wantoks walking to town with bilums.
Few years back Had an aerobatic light go into terrain east of the field and just in from the dunes. 1st thing I said was get the PNG guys up here to cut us a track in.
Defies all logic why they pulled the plug on the cadet scheme in many ways, however it’s their train set. Given the fact that PNG currently (and never has) have no flying school or military establishment that can produce pilots to meet the needs of any Part 121 airline.
Having trained quit a few cadets during my time with PX, I must admit that most of them were pretty sharp albeit with only a few hundred hours flying around in some of the most challenging environments in the world in a Dash 8 as a FO.
Really defies all logic, but what would I know.
Having trained quit a few cadets during my time with PX, I must admit that most of them were pretty sharp albeit with only a few hundred hours flying around in some of the most challenging environments in the world in a Dash 8 as a FO.
Really defies all logic, but what would I know.
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Chop chop, when older chap was there it wasn’t Link PNG, it was Air Niugini.
To answer your question it was both, some guys there were on 21/21 tours and some on 28/28. And the ‘full time’ guys had the options of POM, CNS and BNE bases. Being based in Oz meant you reported for duty at home base. PX even provided the required firm seats to travel to and from POM.
No paxing in your own time, at your own cost.
To answer your question it was both, some guys there were on 21/21 tours and some on 28/28. And the ‘full time’ guys had the options of POM, CNS and BNE bases. Being based in Oz meant you reported for duty at home base. PX even provided the required firm seats to travel to and from POM.
No paxing in your own time, at your own cost.
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So lots of emails doing the rounds about THE DECISION being handed down in the am tomorrow.
To bring up to date...Air Niugini Management already lost this court case a few years ago...the Judge stated that ANG Management had under duress implemented the 2015 Pilot Contract...but ANG never being one to admit error appealed that ruling. It is the ANG Appeal result that is being given tomorrow at 930.
And if there is any Justice in PNG (as slow as it is!!!!) ANG will again be found to have used duress in the implementation of the 2015 contract,..... despite the huge amount of Kina dropped on their expensive international law firm and expensive Australian Queens Council.
Would imagine a loss for PX will hurt the bottom line by some millions, 4 years of each pilot making a claim for up to the 20% of the salary that was had taken through "duress".
Management losses since the original court ruling,
the CEO has left,
the Chairman of the Board has left
the GM Flight Ops is no longer the GMFO...
So leaves one or two (including PNG's best HR Manager) maybe feeling a little nervous about a court appearance tomorrow morning.
I know where I will be at 930 tomorrow!!!!!!!
To bring up to date...Air Niugini Management already lost this court case a few years ago...the Judge stated that ANG Management had under duress implemented the 2015 Pilot Contract...but ANG never being one to admit error appealed that ruling. It is the ANG Appeal result that is being given tomorrow at 930.
And if there is any Justice in PNG (as slow as it is!!!!) ANG will again be found to have used duress in the implementation of the 2015 contract,..... despite the huge amount of Kina dropped on their expensive international law firm and expensive Australian Queens Council.
Would imagine a loss for PX will hurt the bottom line by some millions, 4 years of each pilot making a claim for up to the 20% of the salary that was had taken through "duress".
Management losses since the original court ruling,
the CEO has left,
the Chairman of the Board has left
the GM Flight Ops is no longer the GMFO...
So leaves one or two (including PNG's best HR Manager) maybe feeling a little nervous about a court appearance tomorrow morning.
I know where I will be at 930 tomorrow!!!!!!!