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Old 15th Jun 2017, 22:29
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olderairhead,
there will always be some "jellymen" in aviation ie spineless people with no moral compass.
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Old 15th Jun 2017, 22:50
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I have been informed that a Notice of Intention to Defend has been submitted to the Court on behalf of the pilot group.

The appeal, date to be advised, will be presided over by 3 Supreme Court Judges.

It is expected that this may occur around September.
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Old 16th Jun 2017, 07:33
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Airlines cannot operate without Fleet Managers, Check Captains and Training Captains.
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Old 17th Jun 2017, 08:58
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One silly Captain replied to the whole mailing list within minutes of receiving the email:

I'm in boss. As long as I can be can be considered for August leave block.
No pressure.
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Old 17th Jun 2017, 09:46
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The appeal will be more damaging than just accepting the courts ruling, a lot of guys now are just ready to walk, write off the loss and get on with the next chapter in life.
Can't train without trainer...
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Old 18th Jun 2017, 02:52
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Cozy relationship between PX and CASA PNG will ensure that trainers etc will be approved without question. The so called Jellymen will fill these position not because of their ability and knowledge as trainers but their ability to bend over and take it you know where.
The never ending spiral to a serious incident or accident continues.
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Old 18th Jun 2017, 04:00
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In their wisdom(?) PX have now amended the validity of CRM from 12 months to 24 months.
Would have thought that was pretty important in that part of the world.

Their reason: To improve on operational productivity
Translated: We don't have enough crew
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Old 18th Jun 2017, 11:19
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Just been sent the crewing numbers for the Fokker fleet.

11 a/C with 2 more on the way. Total Captains for the fleet is 21 which includes 3 SIM check/training Captains.

Block rosters were 70+ hours with 60+ sectors. Things are only going to get worse.
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Old 19th Jun 2017, 07:43
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Originally Posted by Metro man View Post
The Jetstarisation of Air Niugini.
Why not the Ryannair-isation of PX... or, since nearly every low cost carrier that has been successful is in some way based on Southwest, why not the 'Southwest-isation'???

I know, you'll say because it's a full service carrier being cannibalized by a low cost move but surely the above did that to the whole industry.

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Old 19th Jun 2017, 08:45
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Domestic services have always been operated no frills/budget at very premium prices, pay an extra k100 and you get business class with a sandwich! Still gotta cue up and be prepared not to get to your destination on time.

Terrible thing about this whole shit fight is a that all the good guys left have put a large chunk of their lives into the airline, with all their hard earned work being totally ignored by a small number of people at the helm.
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Old 29th Jun 2017, 23:43
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Just received the following.

The appeal application has been heard and the decision was due to be handed down on 26th June but as is usual with the PNG legal system this has been delayed.

The legal team for the pilots have prepared the rebuttal for the 37 points raised should the appeal go ahead.

The Court orders for the initial case also have not yet been released.

As has been alluded to there is a general election in progress and everything seems to stop until this is over.

Word is it will be at least another 3 weeks before the election results are known and then hopefully the legal system will crank up again.

But then again, it is PNG.
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Old 1st Jul 2017, 10:05
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Originally Posted by Duck Pilot View Post
Domestic services have always been operated no frills/budget at very premium prices, pay an extra k100 and you get business class with a sandwich! Still gotta cue up and be prepared not to get to your destination on time.

Terrible thing about this whole shit fight is a that all the good guys left have put a large chunk of their lives into the airline, with all their hard earned work being totally ignored by a small number of people at the helm.
I was one of the "originals" who joined from get-go in 1973 and it was a damn great airline back then! Of course we had a large expatriate component in all departments but inexorably over the next forty years the very common third world attitude of "get rid of the white fellas, we can do it better" slowly destroyed any degree of efficiency or competancy that we all worked so hard to generate!

We had TWO expats controlling the entire flight operations department back then but when I left 24 years later there were some 36 nationals doing this work and making a total cock up it!

Heartbreaking to see this once-great airline slowly slowly deteriorate in every aspect! I believe - not confirmed - that the entire check and training compliment was "localised" and all the "white guys" put back on the line!

There still hasn't been one loss of life in 43 years though a couple of domestic aircraft were trashed due Pilot error so the pilot group still seems to be holding up!

Some of the "local boys" who were once chucking suitcases around are now in management positions and I genuinely fear that one day soon an aircraft is going to be lost and no, not sour grapes, couple of guys I keep in touch with up there feel the same way! I'll be happy to be wrong!
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Old 5th Jul 2017, 02:18
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The appeal case for the terminated 8 National pilots was heard on the 27th of June and they are eagerly awaiting the decision which at this stage is expected to be next week (maybe, after all it is PNG).

This decision will be final and will determine if they are to be reinstated or not.

The last Q400 has left the shores. Of the Q400 pilots, 2 are now on the 767, 1 has gone back to the Dash and 1 is suspended indefinitely on full pay.

Some brave sole has accepted a direct entry onto the 737 as Captain. Obviously he doesn't read PPRuNe.

Neither management nor the Fleet office made the current pilots aware of this appointment and several who were eligible, with 13 - 17 with Poxie, understandably are not happy. So much for repayment for loyalty.

Also yet to be confirmed is that the Court orders have to date not been served upon the company. This is possibly due the the appeal process but is only a guess at this stage.

Hard to get anything definite while the elections continue.
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Old 5th Jul 2017, 04:59
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Once again, OlderAirhead ,thanks for the updates.Its dragging on like "War & Peace".The remaining "drivers" must be utterly sick of it by now!
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Old 7th Jul 2017, 07:01
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Further rumblings are being heard from guys who are now forcibly based in POM. They have put up with having to travel to and from their place of domicile on their days off and now Poxie in their wisdom(?) have decided that when they send a crew to Cairns for an overnight, any crew member who is domiciled in Cairns will not be provided with accommodation or overnight allowances even though it is an overnight.

This has really p!ssed off quite a few of the Fokker guys. Just adds fuel to the fire after the awarding of the direct entry Captain.

And just for a laugh, Poxie own some land and have advertised for someone to build some accommodation on that land for them plus they want the builder to fund it!

Gotta laugh sometimes......
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Old 7th Jul 2017, 13:14
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Can't find a link to it, but it's on the 'I used to live in PNG' social media page.
Press release re departure of final Q400.
Some interesting 'spin doctoring'...
Begs a few questions to what isn't actually written.
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Old 8th Jul 2017, 00:19
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This one?

MEDIA RELEASE
AIR NIUGINI ALL-JET OPERATIONS
Air Niugini is now an all-jet aircraft operator after the last of its six Q400 turboprop aircraft left the country on Tuesday 20th June destined for its new owner.
The ANG aircraft fleet now comprises 2 Boeing 767, 3 Boeing 737, 7 Fokker 100 and 5 Fokker 70, with another 4 Fokker 70s scheduled for delivery over the coming months. These aircraft operate both ANG’s domestic and international routes.
Air Niugini Chief Executive Officer, Mr Simon Foo said the Q400 aircraft delivered to Air Niugini by Bombardier since 2010 have served their purpose, however Air Niugini is now streamlining its fleet to reduce the number of different aircraft types and ensure commonality in its operations.
He said “When you have a common fleet of aircraft, you have common spare parts and common crew including pilots and cabin crew. This results in greatly reduced costs and increased efficiency in operations”
Mr Foo said Air Niugini is developing an aircraft fleet targeted to suit our current and future demand for faster and more efficient service, adding that the F70 aircraft has significant advantages over propeller driven aircraft types, and best meets the airline’s domestic and regional transport needs.
“A Fokker 70 is a longer range aircraft than the Q400 and the ATR , which is of significant benefit as Air Niugini continues to expand its services across the country and the region. The aircraft flies faster and higher than the turboprops, shortening journey times and avoiding adverse weather which is so prevalent in PNG” Foo said.
Air Niugini has so far received seven of the total nine Fokker 70 aircraft purchased, with five already in service and two more being prepared for service. The Fokker 70 aircraft operates key domestic routes which the Q400 used to operate, as well as existing and new international routes to Cairns, Townsville and the Federated States of Micronesia. Once the fleet transformation is complete, Air Niugini will have a total of sixteen Fokker jet aircraft, comprising the nine Fokker 70s, plus seven larger Fokker 100s.
Air Niugini’s subsidiary company, Link PNG operates a fleet of Dash 8 aircraft which mainly service the smaller provincial centres, as well as providing services for charter clients.
End….//
Corporate Affairs Department
Thursday, 06th July 2017
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Old 8th Jul 2017, 01:42
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Interesting bit of PR waffle. Being a non-aviator am I missing something or is it just ANG speak? I understand that the Q400 is a big Dash 8 with cabin noise suppression. So they have got rid of the Q400s thus they can call themselves an all jet airline (big deal that) while Link make do with the remaining Dash 8s. Funnily enough though, there is still the odd Dash that flies around PNG using an ANG callsign. Perhaps this happens on those days when not enough Fokker crew turn up.
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Old 9th Jul 2017, 00:15
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Olderairhead, that's the one.
'Commonality', 'streamlining', 'reduced costs', so why did they go down that path in the first place?
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Old 9th Jul 2017, 04:30
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In reality they are still using the Dash 8 when:

1. There is no Fokker crew available because they do not have enough.
2. There are not enough Fokker's serviceable.

This is a very common occurrence at the moment and will only get worse when the next lot arrive of aircraft arrive.
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