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Old 20th Apr 2017, 12:19
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Wanim taim masta bilong ol kam bek?
Indeed, Troppo. I was asked the above many many times back in the early 90's, by older PNG Villagers when flying into the Bush strips.

They remembered when there was a functioning District HQ, with a Medical centre and a School for the kids.

And a Kiap who would enforce the Law and take no s**t from no-one!

I have the deepest sympathy for the grass roots people whose livelihood and future depend on central government making sound decisions for all citizens, not just the elite. PNG should have prospered for all, however a few have fd everything up. PNG/Africa...Same same but different. Beautiful country, beautiful people...apart from POM and the decisions made there
I often wonder if anyone in the Australian Bureaucracy has ever done a search on who owns property along the Queensland Gold Coast, (and elsewhere) who the owners are, and ask themselves just where the money came from for the purchase of said property.

Sad really. Paradise lost.
Em Nau!
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Old 21st Apr 2017, 04:07
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What's the outcome of today's court decision?
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Old 21st Apr 2017, 04:13
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Been delayed until 13:30
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Old 21st Apr 2017, 08:06
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Finally the Court has made it's ruling.

The Judge has determined that:

2012 contract reinstated.
2015 contract unenforceable.


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Old 21st Apr 2017, 08:10
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The pilots have won. Well according to the PNGAPA website.

2012 contract reinstated; 2015 contract unenforceable.

Yeah, one for the good guys.

Question- what happens to the 3(or maybe 4) who signed? Well, who really cares!

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"A man's character is his fate"- Hiraclitus(?), an old Greek guy

Sorry for the redundant post, the Old guy beat me to the draw.
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Old 21st Apr 2017, 08:58
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Charley Farley,

How's that "new and improved contract" looking now shags?

😂
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Old 21st Apr 2017, 09:11
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3 or 4 that signed the contract will drive the honey truck
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Old 21st Apr 2017, 09:43
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I think the boardroom lights will be on late tonite at "Air Niugini Haus"
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Old 21st Apr 2017, 10:00
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Gee Splat, late? So as it's a Friday the lights might be on until at least 1600! I wonder if these extended hours will filter through to the antediluvian staff travel department and HR?
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Old 21st Apr 2017, 10:27
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JK for PM!!!!
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Old 21st Apr 2017, 11:10
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Hooray for the good guys. Sad for the good guys that left. Sad for PX that they lost the good guys because of idiots.
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Old 21st Apr 2017, 11:13
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Also maybe PA for PM not JK

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Old 21st Apr 2017, 11:30
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I hope the media tie the judges decision to the HR managers award for PNG HR Manager of the year (2016). Outrageous that the judges highlighting of industrial relations breaches and blatant disregarded of PNG industrial law should be squarely aimed at a HR Manager, that the PNG HR Institute saw fit to honor with their highest award. What a sad example of all that is wrong in PNG today.
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Old 21st Apr 2017, 14:58
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The saddest thing is that the today’s result was totally unnecessary.

All that was needed was for PX Management to undertake honest and transparent 2015 Contract negotiations with two extremely reasonable Union/Association bodies.

However the “Worlds Best “HR Manager knew better, and railroaded an extremely unpalatable contract that was delivered on a sign it OR simply leave ANG and find a job elsewhere basis.

And while PX Management may have “convinced” each other that proper Contract negotiations took place, they could not convince any one else, let alone the PNG Supreme Court.

So for PX the ”chooks have come home to roost”, over 100 Expats and Nationals have left, taking towards a million hours of experience with them.

Those “brilliant HR tacticians” must have left Air New Guinea in a very precarious position indeed. With an added problem of how can negotiations between the Pilot groups begin with a HR management team that neither body has any respect for, NOR trust?

Tripelapidgeon, Gidday, you are so correct in your nomination for PM (not sure if that would be constitutional possible though) however referring to JK, he stood up hugely for the Citizen Pilots, especially after one or two of the other representative seemed to give up the fight very early in the peace. JK represented NAPU admirably.

So if not JK for PM, maybe member for WWK..."good luck with the campaign J."

Sadly, the Cadets were not successful in the court action. But that will come.
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Old 22nd Apr 2017, 00:59
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Mangi Fokker,
How the mighty have fallen!!!

Excerpt from the PNGLOOP, 2016
[I]“The national flag carrier, Air Niugini has been named the best state owned enterprise employer for 2015.

Chairman Sir Frederick Reiher, has congratulated the airline’s management, employees and unions for their hard work in securing the award.

The award was presented by the PNG Human Resource Institute at its national conference in Port Moresby last Tuesday, May 17, 2016.

Sir Frederick also congratulated Air Niugini's HR General Manager, Rei Logona, on being named the best individual HR Practitioner for 2015.

He said "This is a notable professional achievement for the airlines HR Manager who has provided important professional leadership, and working with all stakeholders in a challenging period for Air Niugini.

“The ‘best employer’ award in the state owned enterprises category was a significant achievement given the major changes in awards and conditions Air Niugini has had to implement.”

Sir Frederick added: “The fact we have been able to carry out a major restructuring of awards and conditions, as well as an overall reduction in employee numbers, without industrial disruption, and in the end in agreement with unions and associations representing the airlines employees is a source of pride to the board and management of Air Niugini,”

“Air Niugin has worked very hard to maintain good relations with all its 2,000 employees, and I appreciate the acknowledgement by the PNG Human Resource Resource Institute by giving the airline the award.”.

Well done guys, for persevering and refusing to be treated as a subservient class to management.

All done without strikes, work to rule etc and the only inconvenience to the traveling public caused soley by Management and not the Pilots...excellent.
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Old 22nd Apr 2017, 08:36
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This is a significant victory. For many, many reasons. For, the rule of law (at least in as much that it has been recognised that the PNG judicial system is prepared to apply it), for the one individual (CP, good on you mate) whose dismissal and subsequent appeal became the catalyst for the NAPU and PNGAPA to also become a party to the appeal...a victory for that lousy, abhorrent "B" scale pay that has become part of the aviation industry, a victory for the National pilots who were most affected by the "B" scale and most of all a victory for common decency and respect. Hopefully it also sees the removal of the Board and the CEO and senior management. This has been a lesson in "Lousy management 101"...and how NOT to deal with people...railroading and "wiping your feet" on people has never worked and it didn't work in this instance. Human Remains at it's absolute worst...

A great deal could be written about this whole debacle however the comments from above sum it up better than I ever could...

The saddest thing is that the today’s result was totally unnecessary. &...So for PX the ”chooks have come home to roost”, over 100 Expats and Nationals have left, taking towards a million hours of experience with them.

In any case for those pilots that stuck around PA, AF, AV and all the rest I hope now that some sort of sense and structure comes back into your lives and the carnage that was visited on the pilots of a once proud airline can be remedied.
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Old 22nd Apr 2017, 10:56
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The pilot groups have won the battle, not the war.

All parties (NAPU, PNGAPA and PX) now have to convene by 3rd of May, with the Industrial Registrar being the mediator, to put forward their positions before negotiations commence.

That is when the next battle will commence.

Hopefully the Industrial Registrar is as impartial as the Court.
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Old 23rd Apr 2017, 10:36
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Originally Posted by olderairhead View Post
The pilot groups have won the battle, not the war.

All parties (NAPU, PNGAPA and PX) now have to convene by 3rd of May, with the Industrial Registrar being the mediator, to put forward their positions before negotiations commence.

That is when the next battle will commence.

Hopefully the Industrial Registrar is as impartial as the Court.
True the battle will be the next contract, they will be a lot more cautious this time around.
All the best and congratulations on the first win.
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Old 23rd Apr 2017, 12:05
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Cravenmorehead,

I am guessing the guys will be thankful for your congrats, as they would be thankful of all the support they have received from all the others.

But it is not about ANG being cautious next time, nor is it about the next contract being a battle.

It is about what ANG did in 2015, which the court found wanting. And that court has apparently ordered that 2015 contract as null and void.

That Take It Or Leave It Contract had pilots being hit with a cut of around 20%, which after 2.5 years will add up to an horrendous amount of money owed as backpay. Not taking into account travel, WDO, other conditions removed.

This is very serious, will be extremely expensive, and most likely has some serious implications on the future of ANG.

All for the sake of not even an attempt at negotiating, the arrogance of it all was astounding.

So it is more than simply considering the next contract negotiations, and will take some very cool heads on BOTH sides to negotiate a way through it.

But a big Hoorah for the PNG Legal system.
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Old 29th Apr 2017, 11:44
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I have heard that costs were awarded against PX. PNGAPA should see a lot of money back in their account.

Also heard estimates of up to K20,000,000 in backpay.

An expensive 2 year exercise by the world's best HR manager.
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