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First Embraer E190 for Cobham Aviation

Old 5th Sep 2014, 09:35
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But the 146 crew won't be able to tell everyone they are four engine jet pilots now?
They'll be the only four engine jet pilots in Australia in the coming years...
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Old 5th Sep 2014, 10:45
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It is a terrific little jet, the Cobham guys/gals will enjoy flying it.

Much better than the Scruggs wonder jet!
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Old 5th Sep 2014, 12:24
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146 a Jet?

ha! Its all fan. And no reverse.

Give me some Jt8 goodness with clamshells any day over a quadrapuff!

But to keep it on topic, what are the plans for the Embryo? I have heard Barrow Island, but why?
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Old 5th Sep 2014, 15:28
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Perth to Barrow charter
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Old 6th Sep 2014, 01:14
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So just the one? Then I guess only a select few will be endorsed and everyone else can admire from the cockpit of the gas chamber.
Nice article in Australian Aviation although I'm pretty sure Cobham/National Jet have been flying to Barrow for well over a decade
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Old 6th Sep 2014, 03:40
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How come you doods keep posting links to articles that need a subscription to access?
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Old 6th Sep 2014, 03:58
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It's a conspiracy to stop you from reading them,of course !
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Old 6th Sep 2014, 04:13
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mmmmm, ok, might think about that for a bit. Don't want to get a complex
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Old 6th Sep 2014, 04:14
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Or a simplex, don't want that either
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Old 6th Sep 2014, 21:34
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How come you doods keep posting links to articles that need a subscription to access?
I don't have a subscription however I do have access, so there must be some form of conspiracy???
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Old 7th Sep 2014, 05:55
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I've always been told that these mining contracts are so lean that you could never make money on them with the likes of an Eject. Hence the prevalence of cheap old F-100s 146s.

So how does Cobham do it yet others can't? Sounds like they're a pretty organised outfit they're running there.
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Old 7th Sep 2014, 07:08
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you get what you pay for

I've always been told that these mining contracts are so lean that you could never make money on them with the likes of an Eject.
If the cost of providing certain infrastructure, particularly where there are severe environmental constraints, outweighs the cost of running a particular type of aircraft, the contract will be written accordingly. The margin will still be skinny in the buyer's market that is FIFO.

If an E-jet was the preferred aircraft (which is rumoured to be the case), then Cobham would have to absorb the cost of adding the type to the AOC plus the inherent costs attributable to diseconomies of scale, a distinct competitive disadvantage compared with Virgin and Airnorth. Certainly, Airnorth would seem likely to benefit from the fleet addition and the attendant business expansion while having nowhere near the overheads of Cobham, so the floor must have been strewn with pencil shavings...

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Old 7th Sep 2014, 12:18
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So how does Cobham do it yet others can't?
Or they're making zero money on it but at least they fend off Virgin and now have a presence in the market with a new flash jet.

Mining contract work is a bit of a chess game. The miners will play everybody off each other differently to get what they want.
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Old 7th Sep 2014, 13:16
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Unlike National Jet, Cobham have never been in the business of tendering for contracts that don't earn a return for their shareholders. If they started now it would be a major change in philosophy for them.
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Old 8th Sep 2014, 02:45
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big call

AerocatS2A, that's a big call! But then, I guess cost plus $1 would meet that criterion
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Old 8th Sep 2014, 15:47
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So many comments based on so little real knowledge or information.

Do some research...Cobham plc ? Reports and Presentations Archive

Most fleets start as one aircraft. I believe they will have more by the end of 2015.
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Old 8th Sep 2014, 16:00
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You should apply, Iccy. Join the boys on the BIG ones.
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Old 8th Sep 2014, 17:07
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Icarus,

I'll play! What does the linked presentation tell me about the contract on which the E190 is to be employed?
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Old 8th Sep 2014, 21:21
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Your highness.
If you look deeper into the cobham site you will find this

http://www.cobham.com/about-cobham/m...-aircraft.aspx

The first aircraft is always the hardest to get. Everything after that is incrementally easier, but also dependent on contracts.
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Old 9th Sep 2014, 00:25
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The BIG question is...does it have Cost index??
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