Qantas Sacking Tarmac Engineers
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I'm sure the terminals will get looked after again!! They will also get all the OT while us base guys keep getting shafted.. Why aren't some of the guys that got CR and are returning not going back to the terminals??
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An EBA gets up, our brothers get their jobs back, and we all have piece of mind for a few short years, and people are still fighting each other over overtime-training-what dept they work in.....etc
No wonder management hate us so much.
No wonder management hate us so much.
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Griffin 1 - welcome to life of a Base Maintanence engineer . Heavy maintenance that is , has been that way for years . Buy your own course and wait ...Nothing is a given anymore.
100% agree Ngineer- some people just dont get it ....
100% agree Ngineer- some people just dont get it ....
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I don't care much for OT but a lot of others do!! I'm just saying that With the influx of LAMES in SAM and limited work! It will be us doing all of the leave burn while the terminals will struggle with their limited numbers.
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Buy your own course and wait ...Nothing is a given anymore.
CASA maybe happy for the old company run type courses to be replaced with a 9-day type crash course run by non-airline based companies (where most people have the gems before it starts). However I think that the airlines are a little uncomfortable with this concept at the moment. Time may change that though.
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I think you will find QE are more than happy with the services of the three main 147 training organisations in Australia. Considering one of the BNE based companies provided all the B1/B2 differences training for most A380 LAMEs and the other has provided various type courses for QF and it's customers over the years, in fact, their 738 course doesn't even require differences training in order to get a QE company approval. I would question the quality of the services coming from the Nowra based company QE is using for some training though. The mind boggles how so many AF/Eng LAMEs can go down there to play with an antique war bird for a week and come back with no category restrictions on their B1?
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It is interesting to note people who are complaining about not being trained on a new type who managed to keep their job without being shafted unlike 65 other LAMEs who just got their job back. These 65 engineers also haven't been trained in years if not decades who took the bullet based on Qantas 'criteria'!
I just hope a playing field that has been the way it has been for so long gets ironed out and treated fairly for those who do get selected for type training (if a training course ever occurs again in house). Whilst I don't believe it is right to source your own training externally, unfortunately I think it will become the way of the future for companies even as large as QF is, to reduce their costs.
I just hope a playing field that has been the way it has been for so long gets ironed out and treated fairly for those who do get selected for type training (if a training course ever occurs again in house). Whilst I don't believe it is right to source your own training externally, unfortunately I think it will become the way of the future for companies even as large as QF is, to reduce their costs.
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I'm with you Ngineer, his first four posts and this guy can't do anything but complain.
"No chance of getting a course NOW
With all 65 LAMES coming to SAM no chance of me getting a 737 or 330 course now!!"
"I'm sure the terminals will get looked after again!! They will also get all the OT while us base guys keep getting shafted.. Why aren't some of the guys that got CR and are returning not going back to the terminals??"
For F**K sake he can't even spell Hangar correctly. Even Texas Tony wouldn't spell it with an E.
"No chance of getting a course NOW
With all 65 LAMES coming to SAM no chance of me getting a 737 or 330 course now!!"
"I'm sure the terminals will get looked after again!! They will also get all the OT while us base guys keep getting shafted.. Why aren't some of the guys that got CR and are returning not going back to the terminals??"
For F**K sake he can't even spell Hangar correctly. Even Texas Tony wouldn't spell it with an E.
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I was borderline out the door!! Next time the bullet comes around I don't think I'll be so lucky.. That's why I'm not happy about all these NG lames coming to SAM!! Better enrol in the next 330 course and start doing some serious ball licking!!
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QF LAMES Award Mod Vote
We request each member to reply asap to this email, we need a big response.
Your Qantas Enterprise Agreement which you would have just voted on, is underpinned by the Qantas LAME award that sets the safety net for bargaining. Currently Fair Work Australia is going through a process called “award modernisation” where each enterprise’s award is reviewed to see whether it would be kept or cancelled. If the award is cancelled the safety net would become the airline industry award which does not contain the QF LAME award classification structure, QF specific aircraft type payments, the Qantas redundancy payments or the extra 12 weeks' notice for redundancy, therefore significantly lowering the starting point for enterprise agreement bargaining.
The ALAEA is attempting to have FWC keep the QF LAME award and one of the criteria is that employees want to keep the award in place. So we need you to respond to this email urgently with a simple “yes” or “no” to the following question.
“Do you want the Qantas LAME award kept and modernised?”
We recommend a “yes” vote.
Reply now.
Gary Norris
Senior Industrial Officer
We request each member to reply asap to this email, we need a big response.
Your Qantas Enterprise Agreement which you would have just voted on, is underpinned by the Qantas LAME award that sets the safety net for bargaining. Currently Fair Work Australia is going through a process called “award modernisation” where each enterprise’s award is reviewed to see whether it would be kept or cancelled. If the award is cancelled the safety net would become the airline industry award which does not contain the QF LAME award classification structure, QF specific aircraft type payments, the Qantas redundancy payments or the extra 12 weeks' notice for redundancy, therefore significantly lowering the starting point for enterprise agreement bargaining.
The ALAEA is attempting to have FWC keep the QF LAME award and one of the criteria is that employees want to keep the award in place. So we need you to respond to this email urgently with a simple “yes” or “no” to the following question.
“Do you want the Qantas LAME award kept and modernised?”
We recommend a “yes” vote.
Reply now.
Gary Norris
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Yes Clipped, they probably are, but if Gary advises us to vote YES to combat those dirty tactics and to do it ASAP, then I reckon we should.
I did as soon as I got read the email at 5 pm this arvo.
I'm sick and tired of being sick and tired.
I did as soon as I got read the email at 5 pm this arvo.
I'm sick and tired of being sick and tired.
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Check out this link to our application for our award to be modernised. Interesting correspondences from Q and it's lawyers. What they really think of us.
https://www.fwc.gov.au/awards-and-ag...ons/EM2013/120
https://www.fwc.gov.au/awards-and-ag...ons/EM2013/120
Aveng get over it. The B1 rating is here to stay. A B1 is hardly ever likely to even use a megger, the rating is for avionic lrus troubleshooting/replacement that can be bite tested or with simple go/no go testing, it's not rocket science! If you've got a problem with it petition CASA that they've got it wrong. Getting upset at your fellow engineers for certifying what they're entitled to certify for isn't going to stop the condensing of functions to less people.
Aircraft flying around these days are not from the 50-60s anymore, hence the reason the industry evolved from single catagory engineers, eng or a/f, elec or inst or radio. Then the 70s-80s generation aircraft with the merged eng+a/f, e+i+r engineers. Today's aircraft engineering certification requirements are driven by bean counters in concert with regulators to suit today's reality. Evolve like the rest of the world already did 10 years ago or get left behind even further.
Besides, what has this got to do with the LAMEs that got sacked and have now been reinstated? The only thing that will save those jobs in the future is attrition, not trying to justify to the world that B1s are a failure and should be revoked.
Aircraft flying around these days are not from the 50-60s anymore, hence the reason the industry evolved from single catagory engineers, eng or a/f, elec or inst or radio. Then the 70s-80s generation aircraft with the merged eng+a/f, e+i+r engineers. Today's aircraft engineering certification requirements are driven by bean counters in concert with regulators to suit today's reality. Evolve like the rest of the world already did 10 years ago or get left behind even further.
Besides, what has this got to do with the LAMEs that got sacked and have now been reinstated? The only thing that will save those jobs in the future is attrition, not trying to justify to the world that B1s are a failure and should be revoked.
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Calm your farm 600ft/lb. Bit touchy mate - feeling inadequate?
I WAS referring to training standards.
Your sounding like QF management ie aircraft these days fix themselves.
I WAS referring to training standards.
Your sounding like QF management ie aircraft these days fix themselves.
I'm not saying aircraft fix themselves. I'm saying generally these days aircraft tell you where to start looking when something goes wrong, especially the new generation of aircraft. 99% of the time you're not breaking out the WDM let alone a megger.
With regards to training standards, of you feel that an entire apprenticeship can't be condensed into 6 weeks or so of remedial training by outside MTO's, bring the issue up with CASA. The MTO's didn't sign themselves off as component, CASA did. They set the standard, they must be happy with the end result.
With regards to inadequacy, don't think the rest of the workforce doesn't roll their eyes when the superiority complex of a sparky on the couch rears its head, over and over. Please tell us how good you guys are over and over again. Who ticked the wrong box now?
With regards to training standards, of you feel that an entire apprenticeship can't be condensed into 6 weeks or so of remedial training by outside MTO's, bring the issue up with CASA. The MTO's didn't sign themselves off as component, CASA did. They set the standard, they must be happy with the end result.
With regards to inadequacy, don't think the rest of the workforce doesn't roll their eyes when the superiority complex of a sparky on the couch rears its head, over and over. Please tell us how good you guys are over and over again. Who ticked the wrong box now?
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If you've got a problem with it petition CASA that they've got it wrong.
Why would you waste your precious time doing such a thing? Poor old Aveng may as well talk to his pot plant about it (IMHO). It would take much less effort and achieve roughly the same result.