Qantas Sacking Tarmac Engineers

[Soldier of gear lube]

So cool b1 does that mean we can lube together for another 4 years

[PIOT Bord]

Why wouldn't it get up, this proposal:-


1) brings back 65 of our colleagues.
2) provides more job security for all QE LAMEs than we have had for years.
3) provides an exit strategy for the life of the agreement.
4) keeps our redundancy and other protective clauses intact.
5) shows all that, although not large, we are a strong union.
6) delivers that pineapple where it belongs.


Good work, Steve, Paul and crew!!

[Bolty McBolt]

Can't see no pineapple

The pineapple is we are stuck with is Texas and Nasty.
These 2 clowns painted us into a corner where we had to watch our work mates walked out the door. All they have done is shrink the business.
Now we are expected to say thank you for saving our mates oh and by the way sign off on this EBA while your at it.
My initial reaction, while I am grateful for the reprieve is What the ??

We are watching a back flip of monumental proportions without explanation.
The company is going nowhere with Joyce and Clifford at the helm. Strambie is the main architect behind the bastardry towards engineering.
Nasty and Texas still in place.

What has changed ??? I think a yes vote is voting more for Tony and Chris job security than ours.

Questions need to be asked ?
Receipt and dispatch at the terminals , What is planned ?
Why this back flip ?
Where is the work coming from to keep us all busy ? The retirements of aircraft changed?
To a lesser extent ...Roster changes ?

Rant over

I am not advocating a No vote or a Yes. I just wish to be better informed

[griffin one]

If you want more information attend a meeting ask some questions or talk to your rep.
while not a win win at least if we stand together some security may prevail for a period.
also lets put personel agendas aside and help reinstate the lames

[Capt Quentin McHale]

Soldier of gear lube,


GOLD.......Lube up


McHale

[Redstone]

What Bolty said.
Something fishy with the whole rotten carcas.
If they don't want to be in court, then that's where we definitely want to be.

[CoolB1Banana]

Sounds like a good outcome for all.

It will be good to see those forced out the door get their jobs back!

All it will take now is to end the bun-fight over who gets to stay at the terminals and we might be able to get on with the job for the next 4yrs.

[JETTRONIC]

Well played Steve....well played. A big thank you to you and the rest of the team on getting my job back. To my employer you have a loooooooong way to go before you get me out of flight idle and back to speed.

[unityqf]

A great effort, but 1.8% per year is a bit poor.
2 weeks buy back of leave? No thanks how about a training allowance of 2 weeks for any course you wish, not necessarily aviation related.
I would like to see a forward plan for obtaining internal and external work, maybe automatically QF work goes to QF Engineering.
External B1/B2 courses course excluded from training selection criteria, if externally trained then internal training to still be completed by QF training school, allow QF training school to offer QF employees courses to avoid potentially shutting down of our training school. This would produce an income for QF and also save QF engineers from having to spend +6K for practical training. WIN WIN WIN
Cat A licenses to all in LMO converted to full license within the term of the EBA.
A review of new positions created over the last 3 years to determine WHAT they have brought to the business, if nothing then why are they there?
Long service leave to be minimum of 4 days.
If keeping wage averaging then apply this to sick leave so we don't have to come in sick on weekends.
More to follow

[The Bungeyed Bandit]

What, back to ground idle?

[Ngineer]

Thanks to the boys at Bexley many families can now rest alot easier tonight. The effect that this has had on our staff, their partners and children cannot go unrecognised or unappreciated (unless of course you are a manager). Welcome back to work fella's, wherever that may be.

Try and tell me that any of our past union execs would have fought this hard with these results. You bloody ripper.

[Soldier of gear lube]

unfortunately a lot of our brothers will think of themselves at this time and are more worried about the annual leave arrangements, than the job security of fellow workers.
Remember if we vote no, its a vote for full on war. We better know what we are fighting for

[Big M]

unfortunately a lot of our brothers will think of themselves at this time and are more worried about the annual leave arrangements, than the job security of fellow workers.

Mate, I don't think it will be a lot. It will be the same ones who come in on overtime whilst blokes are being marched to the gate, the ones bending rules to make flawed systems work, the ones who spend months away on postings not using their leave earning a huge whack and then complain about having to use annual leave, the ones who have 400 to 800 hours annual leave accrued, the ones who have 20-30 years LSL accrued and will whinge like spoilt children when someone suggests they should actually take it ( much less the fact that the company can legally direct them to take it and now there's a chance to take what they should've and it will save someone's job )- two dickheads today suggested that they didn't want to take a "paycut" by having to use LSL ! Same guys who have been given all the training/licences, come in on O/T, take postings with the extra cash - these ones will be the next "ops managers" but unfortunately they get a vote with the rest of us at the moment.)

I'm pretty sure these self-centred beings are in the minority.

As someone mentioned in the meeting today, if we don't as a group vote YES to saving all the guys jobs when the cost is taking the leave owing to you, what the *@ck is it we are after?

Well done once again to our illustrious Association, who represent us in an absolutely fantastic manner - despite the self centred actions of the minority of members who undermine by doing overtime, cutting corners and who whinge about having time-off ( god help me)

[Ngineer]

Hopefully, someone at Exec level, at this airline. has realised the endless BS perpetrated by Nasty, the Texan and that bloke from the railways.

It goes beyond that mate. You can also thank the DMM that runs the section that he hadn't worked in because he probably walked into an interview and bull$shi++ed his way through it (fooling the HR persons who care of nothing else but their stupid questions). He has been selling you down the drain to his managers with the mantra of "we are overstaffed" and "I can run this place with no overtime", although he sits behind his desk and reckons it's a quiet day because no-one is ringing him. And by the way, if you need to defer any tasks don't tell the truth and put it down to "lack of manpower" because it will make him look bad. This is why bigwigs think we are overstaffed. They are being fed nonsense.

Or the Supers that jump in and hijack your conversations with their "yeah I know...." attitudes and heads filled with egotistical crap picked up from some 2 bit leadership crap-in-the-woods and wipe your arse with gumleaves style training.

This place has become rotten to the core.

IMHO

[ALAEA Fed Sec]

Hi guys,


Just briefly I think there was a post about this being some cunning plan by the airline that they had orchestrated. Not so. The idea and proposal was put by us at court ordered mediation and it kinda blindsided them.


The package does not mean the nasty ones won't try and roll out changes over the coming years but I think we all know by now the best ways we can counter their efforts.


Whether people are terminated or the same levels of staff are provided with the accelerated leave, the Engineering Managers have pushed too hard and left insufficient LAMEs to do all the work. If an aircraft is delayed because there is no licence coverage or lack of staff, please don't put the delay down to something else. It needs to be recorded for exactly what it is.


Response from members so far has been good. Melbourne meetings today. Thanks for support fellas.

[duderanch]

Ok let me get this straight
I keep all my current entitlements
I can take leave and this will save my mates. (that will be interesting I can't get leave now)
I can buy more leave if I want to.
I can take VR next year.
And all I need to accept is a pay freeze for 18 months.

HOLY AMAZEBALLS !.

[rtv]

A wee confused

What added job security is there people keep talking about ?

[ALAEA Fed Sec]

They can't sack you if others have unused leave.

[CAVEDWELLER]

As the Australian dollar continues to fall their outsourcing policy will turn out to be a very poor and expensive decision but by that time they will have left the building with their pockets full of cash. The Aussie has fallen from $1.10 to below $0.90, outsourcing in $US has become 20% more expensive. How long before we hear the excuse that due to the depreciating $Aus our maintenance cost have blown out.

[Annulus Filler]

When do we start voting?