Qantas Sacking Tarmac Engineers
To put that another way, it used to be said in management circles that you should never order someone to do something that you cannot do yourself.
If you were making cupcakes that is a recipe for financial disaster. Operating highly (the most highly?) technical things readily available to humanity this type of insanity could lead anywhere.
At least one idiot came up with the idea. Another idiot backed it. Probably yet another idiot implemented it, and finally a complete turkey felt 'honoured' to be asked to do a job he has absolutely no possibility of doing properly. None of the idiots involved in that process (for thats what they are - every last one of them) has any business in the company for they are actively destroying it. And if they cant see that, then the problem is even worse!
Aside from anything else, part of a managers job is to compliment workers on a job well done. Assuming every duck on the planet lines up and said manager actually has a grasp of what someone might have achieved - what sort of respect would someone have for obviously empty words from a known idiot? And that's a POSITIVE example.
This gets worse and worse and worse.
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Here we go chaps........
A return to 8hr rosters eh? That might fill in more than a little of Texas Tony's "white space".
Bring it on!
Notice 54-2014 - All Qantas Members - Qantas LAME Update 22 July 2014
We met again yesterday with our friends from Qantas for discussions about the proposed LAME redundancies. As set out below a couple of relevant matters were discussed that I am sure will interest most members. But in other news we are told 8 LAMEs have applied for the 10 LAME positions in Perth. The option is still open and will remain so until the last half a dozen or who have been off on leave are told that their job no longer exists. In total there are now 69 on the CR list, confined to Melbourne and Sydney. All the potential Adelaide retrenchments have been avoided.
380 Rosters
During the course of the day there was discussion about the new crew make up in SAM. Management advised that the fifth pod crews would be absorbed into the SAM crews and that the 380 crews would move to the SAM roster, making a total of 30 crews.
We sought an explanation from the airline as to why we were 14 meetings into a consultation process and were only hearing for the first time from them that an entire section was moving rosters. We advised Qantas that they were in breach of the consultation provisions of our Workplace Determination because they had not outlined all aspects of the changes from the outset and were sitting on this further effect caused by the new model they are putting in place.
Tony Lowery then confirmed, after an intermission and legal advice, that no breach had occurred because the firm decision on the A380 roster change had only been made within the last week. A review of the consultation packs from March this year was then done. As early as March, and without notification to the ALAEA, they had already created SAM charts with all the A380 crews on the SAM roster. It is days like this that we feel justified in telling members not to trust a word that Qantas management say. They are just making up the story and excuses as they go.
Roster Ballot
The ALAEA Executive members also advised the airline that we seek a ballot in every section across the country for a return to 8 hour rosters.
This would be a ballot in every section where it will be your choice to keep your current extended hour roster and if you choose not to, it will be back to 8 hour days until such time that any follow up ballot was taken to return to an extended hour shift. I understand that this will begin considerable debate in the workplace and we will represent the views of employees to Qantas.
Steve Purvinas
Federal Secretary
We met again yesterday with our friends from Qantas for discussions about the proposed LAME redundancies. As set out below a couple of relevant matters were discussed that I am sure will interest most members. But in other news we are told 8 LAMEs have applied for the 10 LAME positions in Perth. The option is still open and will remain so until the last half a dozen or who have been off on leave are told that their job no longer exists. In total there are now 69 on the CR list, confined to Melbourne and Sydney. All the potential Adelaide retrenchments have been avoided.
380 Rosters
During the course of the day there was discussion about the new crew make up in SAM. Management advised that the fifth pod crews would be absorbed into the SAM crews and that the 380 crews would move to the SAM roster, making a total of 30 crews.
We sought an explanation from the airline as to why we were 14 meetings into a consultation process and were only hearing for the first time from them that an entire section was moving rosters. We advised Qantas that they were in breach of the consultation provisions of our Workplace Determination because they had not outlined all aspects of the changes from the outset and were sitting on this further effect caused by the new model they are putting in place.
Tony Lowery then confirmed, after an intermission and legal advice, that no breach had occurred because the firm decision on the A380 roster change had only been made within the last week. A review of the consultation packs from March this year was then done. As early as March, and without notification to the ALAEA, they had already created SAM charts with all the A380 crews on the SAM roster. It is days like this that we feel justified in telling members not to trust a word that Qantas management say. They are just making up the story and excuses as they go.
Roster Ballot
The ALAEA Executive members also advised the airline that we seek a ballot in every section across the country for a return to 8 hour rosters.
This would be a ballot in every section where it will be your choice to keep your current extended hour roster and if you choose not to, it will be back to 8 hour days until such time that any follow up ballot was taken to return to an extended hour shift. I understand that this will begin considerable debate in the workplace and we will represent the views of employees to Qantas.
Steve Purvinas
Federal Secretary
A return to 8hr rosters eh? That might fill in more than a little of Texas Tony's "white space".
Bring it on!
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Exactly when was it last tried?
I was around when the 12hr came in to both Qantas and Ansett at the start of the 1990's and I've never known an entire organisation to revert to 8hr shifts since.
Particularly after letting so many people go.
Sadly, I must admit that I do not feel that my brothers are a band of one on this issue.
Short sightedness, and a "so sad too bad" attitude to the recently made redundant will probably prevail.
I would give anything to be wrong.
I was around when the 12hr came in to both Qantas and Ansett at the start of the 1990's and I've never known an entire organisation to revert to 8hr shifts since.
Particularly after letting so many people go.
Sadly, I must admit that I do not feel that my brothers are a band of one on this issue.
Short sightedness, and a "so sad too bad" attitude to the recently made redundant will probably prevail.
I would give anything to be wrong.
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You might just be a little surprised at the solidarity that will be shown now. When management tapped me and the rest the other week it only brought my crew closer together. The 8hr threat has worked before and it will work again. They pushed a few people a little to far this time and the crews realise that something has to be done.
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Wrong on both counts coolbanana. In perth we are still on 4 on 4 off with z days.
Mind you the management idiots who thought they 8 hour roster was a good idea are mostly all gone. New management new brainwave?
Mind you the management idiots who thought they 8 hour roster was a good idea are mostly all gone. New management new brainwave?
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One thing I can guarantee, if we all go back to the 8 hour, is that it will be the end of the domestic 4-on-4-off 12 hour roster. They have wanted to get rid of it for years and this will play straight into their hands. The absolute best you could hope for then is the SAM roster or the one they now work in PER (which contrary to what aveng says is a compromise between a sh!t sandwich and what the blokes fought a long, hard battle to keep).
In my opinion, when it comes to SDT, I think the company would prefer an 8 hour over the current roster. Once SAM start doing all the overnighters they won't need a 12 hour nightshift anymore. You could probably say the same about BNE once they lose their overnight phase check.
Whatever 8 hour roster they choose to put in place in the meantime (and they can pick any that suits them) will be one that screws us. How does 5 2300-0700 shifts in a row sound?
I hope everyone realises, when the time eventually comes to vote in a new extended hour roster, it will only be rosters that suit them that will be offered. Don't assume the one you work now will be one of them.
In my opinion, when it comes to SDT, I think the company would prefer an 8 hour over the current roster. Once SAM start doing all the overnighters they won't need a 12 hour nightshift anymore. You could probably say the same about BNE once they lose their overnight phase check.
Whatever 8 hour roster they choose to put in place in the meantime (and they can pick any that suits them) will be one that screws us. How does 5 2300-0700 shifts in a row sound?
I hope everyone realises, when the time eventually comes to vote in a new extended hour roster, it will only be rosters that suit them that will be offered. Don't assume the one you work now will be one of them.
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Qantas Sacking Tarmac Engineers
2300 - 0700. X5
Fatigue EASA, sick, interest, quality negligable cost difference on basic shift
Multiply the cost of shift by the cost of inefficiency equals the true cost.
12 hr compared to 8 hr
12 hr=1.44 and workforce ok with it.
8hr= 1.37 by a conservative loss factor of 1.2 for handovers, supervision, sick, extra training
= 1.64 effectively hmmm
But they are dumb,
Fatigue EASA, sick, interest, quality negligable cost difference on basic shift
Multiply the cost of shift by the cost of inefficiency equals the true cost.
12 hr compared to 8 hr
12 hr=1.44 and workforce ok with it.
8hr= 1.37 by a conservative loss factor of 1.2 for handovers, supervision, sick, extra training
= 1.64 effectively hmmm
But they are dumb,
