Qantas Sacking Tarmac Engineers
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I can't believe what the management have done to the company. It's almost as if they are infiltrators from a competitor and sadly I no longer travel on the airline.
Unfortunately, I feel, the problems lie in levels of management way beyond those we deal with. We recieve feedback from Engineering managmement that they try and talk us up to the exec levels, however the execs no longer trust us (and we don't trust them either). Occassionally it seems people are sent down from above to make sure we are not causing trouble during times of crisis. Those people who are sent to check up on us generally understand that we do the right thing and go about business as usual and in a very professional manner. They are just doing what they are told.
What I am trying to say is there is a massive disconnect between core ops workers and the upper levels of management. It seems to me they do not understand what we do (or how we operate). Resultantly there is not alot of trust in this place between us and them. That is just one of the very many problems we face.
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After Qantas left me stranded in South America a few years ago, never again with them. Good call Joycie.
Joycie? You come on this forum expecting to be taken sympathetically with that?
I do wish you would give us a second chance. With any luck I could strand you again.
I do wish you would give us a second chance. With any luck I could strand you again.
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No chance. I was at Sydney airport recently and saw Qantas staff "reprimanding" an older couple for standing in line to checkin. She told them they "should" be using the electronic checkin kiosks that were devoid of customers, so the line to checkin with a real person would not be so long.
No chance. I was at Sydney airport recently and saw Qantas staff "reprimanding" an older couple for standing in line to checkin. She told them they "should" be using the electronic checkin kiosks that were devoid of customers, so the line to checkin with a real person would not be so long.
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I am but a mere passenger but it's heartbreaking to see what is happening at QF these days. I am one of those who prefer to fly with the kangaroo and do at at my own cost, not like some of the Platinum wankers on another site who complain if they don't get their glass of orange juice in time.
I will be flying to Europe in November but, alas, because of the weird decision by QF to give nearly everything away to EK, I am only on three QF legs, BNE/SIN, SIN/MEL and MEL/BNE. The rest is with EK as that is the only way I can get to where I am going. Next year I again fly to Europe but as I want to go via HKG, I've chosen CX because, of course, there is not even a codeshare with QF from HKG to CDG - there used to be before the Irish git decided that EK was the way to go.
I try and fly QF as much as I can, as I said, but that is becoming more and more of a domestic arrangement than international. The quicker those b**** get the chop the better, but the institutional investors seem happy so nothing ever happens.
I should add that when I am on QF, I find the cabin crew to be some of the friendliest folks you could wish for. Also I feel very safe with the folks at the real pointy end - the flight crew.
Many thanks for a lot of enjoyable flying and my sincere hope that those of you in the firing line go on to bigger and better things.
I will be flying to Europe in November but, alas, because of the weird decision by QF to give nearly everything away to EK, I am only on three QF legs, BNE/SIN, SIN/MEL and MEL/BNE. The rest is with EK as that is the only way I can get to where I am going. Next year I again fly to Europe but as I want to go via HKG, I've chosen CX because, of course, there is not even a codeshare with QF from HKG to CDG - there used to be before the Irish git decided that EK was the way to go.
I try and fly QF as much as I can, as I said, but that is becoming more and more of a domestic arrangement than international. The quicker those b**** get the chop the better, but the institutional investors seem happy so nothing ever happens.
I should add that when I am on QF, I find the cabin crew to be some of the friendliest folks you could wish for. Also I feel very safe with the folks at the real pointy end - the flight crew.
Many thanks for a lot of enjoyable flying and my sincere hope that those of you in the firing line go on to bigger and better things.
After 40 plus years in engineering working at QF stations all over this wonderful planet, I thought I had seen it all...
Then along comes a promotion..... a person who brings "15 long years of extensive people and operational skills"..... in Q Catering and check-in chicks.... to run engineering in Perth!!!
Please, somebody wake me up, it's just a bad dream, isn't it????????
McHale.
Then along comes a promotion..... a person who brings "15 long years of extensive people and operational skills"..... in Q Catering and check-in chicks.... to run engineering in Perth!!!
Please, somebody wake me up, it's just a bad dream, isn't it????????
McHale.
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Qantas Sacking Tarmac Engineers
Doesn't CASA require someone with an engineering or technical background to be a manager?
Doesn't it say somewhere in the legislation that managers of engineering staff must have some form of technical qualifications to remain compliant to the legislation. Guys like Joyce don't need to, but his engineering management team do.
I wonder if he has more than a Bachelor of Arts in Australian literature? Apparently this was all a previous Sydney manager held to run a key engineering section.
Doesn't it say somewhere in the legislation that managers of engineering staff must have some form of technical qualifications to remain compliant to the legislation. Guys like Joyce don't need to, but his engineering management team do.
I wonder if he has more than a Bachelor of Arts in Australian literature? Apparently this was all a previous Sydney manager held to run a key engineering section.
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What is the regulator doing,
Australia does NOT have a regulator my friend. It is a boat club for government employees to grease the pole of graft and corruption by "approving" continuous "exemptions" to legislated law in an effort to gain employment with such operator and then continue as in A above.
A recent senate inquiry which suspiciously came to a grinding halt proves this beyond doubt.
With regard to CASA and Maintenance and designated positions.
It is all laid out here in the Guidance material for Part 145 AMC
http://www.casa.gov.au/wcmswr/_asset.../amcgmp145.pdf
Ultimate accountable manager should be Joyce as CEO - but that may have been delegated to GM Engineering.
From there depending on the structure there will be responsible managers - probably GM Line maintenance and GM heavy or whatever they call those positions.
Below that there is no real requirement for managers to have any specific qualifications - as long as they are not deemed "responsible managers" as per Part 145 in the company structure.
But - the ultimate requirements will be laid out the Qantas Engineering Part 145 MOE - that will list the positions and requirements for each of those positions.
It is all laid out here in the Guidance material for Part 145 AMC
http://www.casa.gov.au/wcmswr/_asset.../amcgmp145.pdf
Ultimate accountable manager should be Joyce as CEO - but that may have been delegated to GM Engineering.
From there depending on the structure there will be responsible managers - probably GM Line maintenance and GM heavy or whatever they call those positions.
Below that there is no real requirement for managers to have any specific qualifications - as long as they are not deemed "responsible managers" as per Part 145 in the company structure.
But - the ultimate requirements will be laid out the Qantas Engineering Part 145 MOE - that will list the positions and requirements for each of those positions.
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Ngineer, what are you trying to infer here?
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Incidents like MH17 show how differently other carriers run their operations to us, but with the amount of routes we fly dwindling then I guess not many Aussies have a choice to fly with us anymore,
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Redundacies and OT
Guys are you serious, or just that dumb.
Why are you aiding the movement of work to make your fellow employees redundant.
If there is a shortage of licenses in your port MAYBE THEY NEED TO DO SOME TRAINING.
If there is a shortage of manpower, maybe that is self induced due to moving work from ports where they have manpower.
So if you're happy to take someone else's job while you earn double... KEEP IT UP WHILST REDUNDANCIES ARE BEING MADE W
KERS!!!!
Why are you aiding the movement of work to make your fellow employees redundant.
If there is a shortage of licenses in your port MAYBE THEY NEED TO DO SOME TRAINING.
If there is a shortage of manpower, maybe that is self induced due to moving work from ports where they have manpower.
So if you're happy to take someone else's job while you earn double... KEEP IT UP WHILST REDUNDANCIES ARE BEING MADE W
KERS!!!!
Does anybody not understand the implied slur in appointing a former catering manager to an engineering management position? I sure as hell do.
engineers = kitchen hands
engineers = kitchen hands
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Kitchen hands
Apparently our management think we are more akin to fish packers than kitchen hands Sunny.
That is if the last job vacancies post that they distributed to us is anything to go by.
That is if the last job vacancies post that they distributed to us is anything to go by.
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Engineers are very good at engineering. But generally they dont make very good managers. But this is a very big generalisation and apologies to those handful of engineers who are good managers.
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Engineers are very good at engineering. But generally they dont make very good managers. But this is a very big generalisation and apologies to those handful of engineers who are good managers.
Is the management that we have at the moment, which are not engineers, a good example?
Spare us the drivel.
Camel:
And your citation please? Do you mean professional engineers or LAME's? My Forty years of management experience have led me to believe it is fatal to try and manage something you have no understanding of at the coal face.
It is the "scientific management" crowd - anyone can manage anything if they have management training believers who are responsible for the under performance of a lot of corporations and institutions.
To put that another way, it used to be said in management circles that you should never order someone to do something that you cannot do yourself.
Engineers are very good at engineering. But generally they dont make very good managers. But this is a very big generalisation and apologies to those handful of engineers who are good managers.
It is the "scientific management" crowd - anyone can manage anything if they have management training believers who are responsible for the under performance of a lot of corporations and institutions.
To put that another way, it used to be said in management circles that you should never order someone to do something that you cannot do yourself.