Qantas Sacking Tarmac Engineers
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If you're honest with yourself, you will realise that QF engineers in Australia were the best trained, and had the highest standard in following operational procedures. They may not have been the most diversified in a lot of areas, or may not be the best trouble shooters. But, when all said and done they follow the rules of certification and procedures more than most other Australian LAMEs.
That said, times have changed and so have the T & C's that we all must operate under. Its well known VA guys get paid really great money for 1 type, in most cases a lot more than their QF equivalent. However QF has a lot about 40% more staff per hull, and that cannot be sustained no matter which way you look at it.
It's a crying shame people lose their jobs, but its a fact of life. Good luck.
That said, times have changed and so have the T & C's that we all must operate under. Its well known VA guys get paid really great money for 1 type, in most cases a lot more than their QF equivalent. However QF has a lot about 40% more staff per hull, and that cannot be sustained no matter which way you look at it.
It's a crying shame people lose their jobs, but its a fact of life. Good luck.
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Thankfully I departed Q at the end of my apprenticeship. It'll be sad to hear of former colleagues getting "the tap". But as others have said, there is life after Qantas. God speed gentlemen and I'll hope to see many of you around the traps over the coming years. 
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What may have made things easier would be if the selection process was transparent.
It is becoming abundantly clear that individuals are being retained that could not possibly have out scored others who are being tapped in the published selection criteria. They who are being tapped are not allowed to see how they have been scored against their peers and why.
The whole process smells. Particularly evident is the over representation of ex-Ansett people in the numbers of the newly redundant. Particularly in Melbourne.
I'm sure any appeals will be summarily dismissed by Qantas. All incriminating evidence protected in the name of commercial-in-confidence or privacy.
Hope those other individuals hanging out for "just one more year" whilst watching those with young kids to feed and mortgages to pay who are having their livelihoods torn apart can sleep well at night....
It is becoming abundantly clear that individuals are being retained that could not possibly have out scored others who are being tapped in the published selection criteria. They who are being tapped are not allowed to see how they have been scored against their peers and why.
The whole process smells. Particularly evident is the over representation of ex-Ansett people in the numbers of the newly redundant. Particularly in Melbourne.
I'm sure any appeals will be summarily dismissed by Qantas. All incriminating evidence protected in the name of commercial-in-confidence or privacy.
Hope those other individuals hanging out for "just one more year" whilst watching those with young kids to feed and mortgages to pay who are having their livelihoods torn apart can sleep well at night....
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JETTRONIC,
I've got no advice on finding a job or anything like that. What I can say is make sure you communicate openly with your wife/partner. They thrive on this sort of stuff and, if you've got a good one, are worth their weight in gold.
Secondly, try and find something that allows you to engage with your community. Volunteer work in some way, shape or form won't pay the bills but it will massively increase your own sense of self-worth and wellbeing at a time those two things are sure to take a beating. Find something to make you feel good about yourself because the company doesn't give a rat's how you feel.
Get angry but don't let it dominate your life. Try and emotionally disconnect from the company as quickly as possible. It's not worth sinking any more energy in to than is the minimum required. Don't engage with the petty day-to-day BS. Do the job (for as long as you have one), go home.
Hard physical exercise is better than a beer for your state of mind.
Find time and space for yourself when you need it but make sure you tell people why you need it. At the same time, don't neglect your relationships in all of this as they will be the things left standing at the end of it all.
Best of luck. I haven't been made redundant before but have spent several years watching my dream career slide down the toilet and those are the things that have helped me during the stressful periods. The job doesn't define who you are. For some at QF it does but most of those blokes are dicks. Don't be one of those blokes.
All the very best. Chin up tiger.
The gun is now pointing at me and the gun is cocked and loaded.....what do you do. Never been in this situation any advise is appreciated.
Secondly, try and find something that allows you to engage with your community. Volunteer work in some way, shape or form won't pay the bills but it will massively increase your own sense of self-worth and wellbeing at a time those two things are sure to take a beating. Find something to make you feel good about yourself because the company doesn't give a rat's how you feel.
Get angry but don't let it dominate your life. Try and emotionally disconnect from the company as quickly as possible. It's not worth sinking any more energy in to than is the minimum required. Don't engage with the petty day-to-day BS. Do the job (for as long as you have one), go home.
Hard physical exercise is better than a beer for your state of mind.
Find time and space for yourself when you need it but make sure you tell people why you need it. At the same time, don't neglect your relationships in all of this as they will be the things left standing at the end of it all.
Best of luck. I haven't been made redundant before but have spent several years watching my dream career slide down the toilet and those are the things that have helped me during the stressful periods. The job doesn't define who you are. For some at QF it does but most of those blokes are dicks. Don't be one of those blokes.
All the very best. Chin up tiger.
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WHO STOLE MY CHEESE??
When Ansett was destroyed, for some time I struggled with the reality of my situation until my Daughter bought me a "motivational" book called "WHO STOLE MY CHEESE"
It is a lighthearted story about 3 mice who have had their cheese taken away from them and how they coped with the consequences.
For those made redundant the "cheese" was your job - number 3 mouse thought , to hell with those b......s who have stolen my cheese, and immediately went on the road looking for better, tastier cheese......and never looked back !!
May I suggest you read that book.
Please don't forget that your Family and Friends are feeling your pain also, so confide in them and accept comfort from them; do not isolate yourself.
I found my CHEESE !
Thank you to you fantastic Professionals who wave me off, comfortable in the knowledge that you have given me a good machine.
Role on.....
It is a lighthearted story about 3 mice who have had their cheese taken away from them and how they coped with the consequences.
For those made redundant the "cheese" was your job - number 3 mouse thought , to hell with those b......s who have stolen my cheese, and immediately went on the road looking for better, tastier cheese......and never looked back !!
May I suggest you read that book.
Please don't forget that your Family and Friends are feeling your pain also, so confide in them and accept comfort from them; do not isolate yourself.
I found my CHEESE !
Thank you to you fantastic Professionals who wave me off, comfortable in the knowledge that you have given me a good machine.
Role on.....
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Transparency is important to you guys but at the end of the day it is the Execs sandpit and they get to choose who plays, so what may have been a better process for everyone was decisions and fast implementation and let everyone get one with their lives. Consultation processes on numbers are important but suggest they may actually make the process harder for the individuals because they leave an unanswered question...why me.
I have been made redundant from another industry and sure anger plays a part, but at the end of the day it is how you respond that defines your life. Once you get past the financial issues there are heaps of opportunities that you have to create yourself. In my case I decided what I was passionate about (and it wasn't corporate life after all) and just went for it, went back to Uni and found a way for volunteer stuff using my skills. Now working for much less $$$$ but love every day, spend more time with my kids and making a difference to others.
The future may not be clear now to some of you, but it is really important to decide what is good for you. Going to work in a toxic environment with a bunch of asshole Execs who don't give a rats may give you $$$ but not much self worth, sometimes you just have to have faith in karma.
Good luck everyone.
I have been made redundant from another industry and sure anger plays a part, but at the end of the day it is how you respond that defines your life. Once you get past the financial issues there are heaps of opportunities that you have to create yourself. In my case I decided what I was passionate about (and it wasn't corporate life after all) and just went for it, went back to Uni and found a way for volunteer stuff using my skills. Now working for much less $$$$ but love every day, spend more time with my kids and making a difference to others.
The future may not be clear now to some of you, but it is really important to decide what is good for you. Going to work in a toxic environment with a bunch of asshole Execs who don't give a rats may give you $$$ but not much self worth, sometimes you just have to have faith in karma.
Good luck everyone.
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Straight out of the Richard Goodmanson playbook
quote : busdriver007 -Straight out of the Richard Goodmanson playbook
This wouldn’t be the same Richard Goodmanson from RioTinto would it ???
LC and he were both board members at the same time – Explains how LC thinks he is an expert at running an airline – being able to converse with a fellow board member on how to run an airline (into the ground) before he aquired the job at QF and bring with him his ANTI-UNION attitude.
This wouldn’t be the same Richard Goodmanson from RioTinto would it ???
LC and he were both board members at the same time – Explains how LC thinks he is an expert at running an airline – being able to converse with a fellow board member on how to run an airline (into the ground) before he aquired the job at QF and bring with him his ANTI-UNION attitude.
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Cheese
Some great advice from DirectAnywhere.
The book Alien Role is referring to is "Who Moved My Cheese" by Spencer Johnson MD. Great book for anyone who hasn't read it. I am also tangled up in this big QF mess and it helps a lot. It's a short read, only 30 minutes if you read quickly, and you can feel the weight lifting off as the pages go by. At least I did.
Good luck to everyone staring down the barrel at Qantas, and to those who have already taken the bullet. There is more to life than that **** of a company.
The book Alien Role is referring to is "Who Moved My Cheese" by Spencer Johnson MD. Great book for anyone who hasn't read it. I am also tangled up in this big QF mess and it helps a lot. It's a short read, only 30 minutes if you read quickly, and you can feel the weight lifting off as the pages go by. At least I did.
Good luck to everyone staring down the barrel at Qantas, and to those who have already taken the bullet. There is more to life than that **** of a company.
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I would like to see QF hierarchy coated in cheese and fed to 30 000 hungry red rats!! That would f#ck them
It's only a matter of time until an engine cowl falls off, a serious maintenance overrun makes the news, a serious defect is overlooked or a serious workplace injury occurs. That may wake up the clowns who are at the helm of the sinking ship.
EVERYBODY needs to support this - a 100% overtime ban for just 48 hours! That will shake them to the core. So c'mon guys, orchestrate it soon, out of respect do it, and do it soon.
It's only a matter of time until an engine cowl falls off, a serious maintenance overrun makes the news, a serious defect is overlooked or a serious workplace injury occurs. That may wake up the clowns who are at the helm of the sinking ship.
EVERYBODY needs to support this - a 100% overtime ban for just 48 hours! That will shake them to the core. So c'mon guys, orchestrate it soon, out of respect do it, and do it soon.
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Qantas Sacking Tarmac Engineers
004wercras, hear, hear. Out off our pure mate-ship to the unfortunate ones caught up in this mess. Never forget. You never know when the sights are going to be on your head.
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48 Hours!
No total Overtime Ban not a 48 Hour Ban...if QF Management think they have the correct staff levels then NO OVERTIME at all...
I still cant believe people are working overtime, very self centred....
I still cant believe people are working overtime, very self centred....
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A complete overtime ban would be the way to go, however it would never work because there will always be the overtime hogs who need it and will do it regardless. So as much as I would prefer to see that, it would never happen.
However a 48 hour ban is something that even the unloyal engineers could possibly do in support of their mates who have been unfairly dispatched into the ether. The flow on affect with delays, disruptions and the costs involved would hit them where it hurts. And the best thing is that by not working the overtime you aren't breaking any laws, overnight cannot be enforced, those who won't work it have done no wrong.
FWA and the law are a complete ass. Engineers are punted and within 24 hours there are calls for O/T to be done. Joyce and Co you are
Another flawed plan that won't work! Add it to the list.
However a 48 hour ban is something that even the unloyal engineers could possibly do in support of their mates who have been unfairly dispatched into the ether. The flow on affect with delays, disruptions and the costs involved would hit them where it hurts. And the best thing is that by not working the overtime you aren't breaking any laws, overnight cannot be enforced, those who won't work it have done no wrong.
FWA and the law are a complete ass. Engineers are punted and within 24 hours there are calls for O/T to be done. Joyce and Co you are
Another flawed plan that won't work! Add it to the list.
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Some sage advice from directanywhere, alien role, ohallen et al. Anger is normal in this situation but if you let it define you, it will only make you a lesser human being. It will most definitely not help your lot in this mess, and the people at the top of your ex company sure as hell don't care about or feel your anger.
Move through that phase as quick as you can and you will be personally much better off, and professionally much more employable.
As good as QF may appear to be, all they really are is simply one company in a huge world out there. With open eyes and the right attitude this will come into focus.
Move through that phase as quick as you can and you will be personally much better off, and professionally much more employable.
As good as QF may appear to be, all they really are is simply one company in a huge world out there. With open eyes and the right attitude this will come into focus.
