Qantas Sacking Tarmac Engineers

[Jet-A-One]

It will take months, probably over a year, to agree on a roster. Vote in the 8 hour now and have a $hit roster during that time or pull your heads in and stay on the roster you're on during the negotiations. Common sense. No one wants an 8 hour roster so why vote it in when it isn't going to achieve anything? If the only reason you want to vote in the 8 hour is to make ourselves as inefficient as possible so they will need more of us then you are insane. Are you people trying to get them to sack the lot of us? If you want to lose your job just take a VR and let the rest of us get on with it. We are orchestrating our own demise with some of your attitudes.

[ALAEA Fed Sec]

Jet A one I think you are falsely assuming that Qantas negotiate fairly and that people will be able to get on with their jobs. If we make their new half baked system work it will only bring on the next round quicker and see more job losses.


This notion that "co-operation" would be in our best interests has been tried before by the unions representing those in Engine shops.

[Sunfish]

"professionalism" is also used by Qantas against you. In my opinion, you need to behave like the CFMEU on steroids to get anywhere with QF management.

[emal140]

Don't forget Adelaide

After the PER roster issue, MH could not get extended hour rosters back quick enough. His only mantra was 'call it whatever you want, just don't call it a 12 hour'. From then on the '12 hour' was banned in exec-speak . From a production point of view the 8 hour is the least inefficient for the company because the have to find you 40 hours of work a week, not 38. That 'extra' 2 hours is an RDO....in whatever form it comes.


What most here are forgetting is that the '12' hour became an 11.4 hour, as exec-speak mandated it. Not long after PER in ADL we went through our roster review. It is a lot better than 4on/4off although it incorporats a 8 hour day every 9 weeks. Question why the company would accept that over enforcing an eight hour. 8 hour shifts are very unproductive from a companies point of view. Do not be told anything else!

[soldier of fortune]

Keep frothing at the mouth banana brain
You will enjoy - when I serve you a plate full of **** on a b738 phase check-idiot!!!!

[griffin one]

Think you might find Texas wants the twelve hour gone as he believes nobody does any work after 4am get ready for a extended hours roster but somewhat reduced

[WrenchMonkey]

Banana you are a goose... SOF relax the fight is far from over.

[Soldier of gear lube]

When Texas Tony gets his way cool B1 you may not have a crew to give out lubes, if you don't make the cut. Then SOF will have to eat his own plate of whatever he dishes up.

[33 Disengage]

I see the cabo that gets into the carts has been in again hassling his colleagues. Happy for some of his bandits to get tapped, as long as his pockets are full.

[Nassensteins Monster]

A bunch of blokes punted out the door. Another bunch of blokes uprooted to fill the gap left by those punted. And the last few posts... Is THIS the best we can do?

[Bumpfoh]

I dont take the view that a few anonymous posters here represent the opinions or attitudes of the work force as a whole

Quite the contrary I would say!

[Ngineer]

Don't fight each other. Fight them.

Yeah, the DMM patting you on the back ATM because you lost you job maybe the same guy who was meeting with his manager a little while ago telling him how he could run the place with less men, less supervision and no overtime. Many secret meetings probably went down planning your demise.

And the B1 guy pi$$ed off at the world because he is never paid highly enough or trained enough (sorry if I offend Mr Cool Banana) will gladly tell his manager not to train any B2 guys, they are useless anyway.

The type A certifiers, they will do what they are told. They are minions caught up in this mess, and will ultimately lead to the mass cull in B1 guys (not their fault though).

So Just stand by now and watch guys running around like idiots, plugging 20 leaks with 10 fingers. The know-it-alls, the bulls at the gates and the corner cutters.

Just make sure you know who the enemy is. There are many about, and not as high up as you may think.

There are still a few level headed men amongst us all.

[Nassensteins Monster]

Yeah, the DMM patting you on the back ATM because you lost you job maybe the same guy who was meeting with his manager a little while ago telling him how he could run the place with less men, less supervision and no overtime.

Maybe? You'd be surprised: I've heard about the business cases some of these "comrades" wrote.

A little birdy tweeted in my ear today and this little birdy has proven correct many a time. DMMs around the network will be replaced by Ops Managers within the next 9 months. You heard it here first. Mark it in your calendar.

"For they have sown the wind: and they shall reap the whirlwind." Hosea 8:7

[The Big E]

The type A certifiers, they will do what they are told. They are minions caught up in this mess, and will ultimately lead to the mass cull in B1 guys (not their fault though).

Unfortunately this Type A thing is a hangover from the EASA System, and is bull**** in its own right. If these guys are so competent and knowledgeable as they are made out to be, they should go and prove it to themselves, the Regulator, their employer, and their peers, by becoming B.1 qualified.

So Just stand by now and watch guys running around like idiots, plugging 20 leaks with 10 fingers. The know-it-alls, the bulls at the gates and the corner cutters. Just make sure you know who the enemy is. There are many about, and not as high up as you may think.

The "knowers" (who don't know what they don't know) are generally obvious by their actions, as per your description above, and these same c**k suckers are part of the enemy, as you say, for they are often operating above their station.

There are still a few level headed men amongst us all.

There certainly are, and we are also those who call a spade a shovel when the need arises. The hardest man to beat is the honest man, and the "knowers" would fall short in this area if they looked in the mirror.

Ya all have a good day now. Regards, TBE.

[limelight]

Boeing's view

While QF is slashing, Boeing's forecast is a little different.

Boeing forecasts rising demand for commercial pilots and technicians | World Airline News

[QF22]

Demand for Technicians

That article makes one feel all warm and fuzzy !
But in reality MROs and Airlines may want technicians/ LAEs, but they just want to pay peanuts for them.
Asia and Middle East will employ technicians from India and the Philippines and pay them $12/hour.
And they will employ a few LAEs to supervise them on cheap contracts.
The Golden Days of Aviation are gone !
Unfortunately !

[AEROMEDIC]

..........and you know what the result of that will be.

[Oh Me Oh My]

I have not posted for a long time as I was content for a while to ride the wave, some of my posts were about joining the exec to see what's the fuss is all about. I missed that boat twice not because I was lax but because I was scared, scared to put my hand up and yes I listened to my wife "its dangerous to get involved" she said.
Then when they announced the mass redundancies in Syd and I was headed for the door, we both cried, however the union stepped in and saved me and many others with the leave burn program two of my own work colleagues bitched about using two weeks leave. Now another year has gone by and I am targeted again this time not with loss of job but transfer to base and they head to the door accordingly their attitude has changed.
I know I am not alone and I know others have it worse but I want to say without this current exec (well some have just been elected in so the old ones) I think we would have been drowned in a bucket years ago. I am young but I am a 20 year man and I remember the old exec (some who still prosper as company puppets) they would have helped management by saving themselves.
This lot don't always do everything right, they do things ugly sometimes and yes they make mistakes but they never stop fighting, BC's doing a great job for us and I'll support them in what path they follow.

8 hour 12 hour 10 hour I don't care what I work but I do care that my mates have a job yes even the pricks who whinged and if that means 8 hour so be it after all we are here for the long haul, management are not !

[The Bungeyed Bandit]

Oh Me Oh My,

I don't see any reason for you to complain about being "targeted again with a job but transfer to base ". At least you still have a job, unlike the 20 or so guys in Base who you guys will be replacing (just don't call it "back-filling"). Getting your hands dirty aint that bad and besides, you'll probably end up being sent back to help the terminals on a daily basis like we are now anyway.

[Ngineer]

I don't see any reason for you to complain about being "targeted again with a job but transfer to base ". At least you still have a job, unlike the 20 or so guys in Base who you guys will be replacing (just don't call it "back-filling"). Getting your hands dirty aint that bad and besides, you'll probably end up being sent back to help the terminals on a daily basis like we are now anyway.

Well there's one good reason not to go to base, your attitude.

Although we can't all be gifts to engineering like yourself, I am pretty sure "Oh Me Oh My" has had his hands dirty before. And I am sure they will be bringing their work with them, not poaching yours. Get off your high horse.