Jetgo - have they gone?
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Jet-Go have an ad on AFAP looking for DEC and FO spots. They must be doing well, does anyone know what the conditions are like?
A couple of pilots I drink with reckon the pay is ok, the morale is really good and the people in management roles aren't dimwitted entrepreneurs like some of their opposition! Best thing is that they don't have CASA breathing down their necks, plus they are safe, compliant and tick all the right boxes.
If CASA are not currently breathing down their necks, give them time! They will be looking for someone to trial their new Part 121 rules.
With this type of pay-for-training arrangement, if the operator does go belly-up half way through the payback period, the employee would be an unsecured creditor at the back of the pack. It could prove to be a very expensive rating on a type which would offer few employment opportunities elsewhere.
Bonding is the way to go, but for that the operator needs sufficient funds to be able to pay for crew training. The bond is held in escrow and is only released to the operator if the employee does a runner before time. If the operator fails, the bond is released back to the employee.
Not saying for one minute that they WILL go bust - it would be great to see a small player finally succeed at RPT in this country - but simply 'caveat emptor'.
With this type of pay-for-training arrangement, if the operator does go belly-up half way through the payback period, the employee would be an unsecured creditor at the back of the pack. It could prove to be a very expensive rating on a type which would offer few employment opportunities elsewhere.
Bonding is the way to go, but for that the operator needs sufficient funds to be able to pay for crew training. The bond is held in escrow and is only released to the operator if the employee does a runner before time. If the operator fails, the bond is released back to the employee.
Not saying for one minute that they WILL go bust - it would be great to see a small player finally succeed at RPT in this country - but simply 'caveat emptor'.
Didn't a lot of Brindy guys get burned by the 'we'll pay back your endorsement' arrangement when they went under?
I don't want to be negative but whats the economics of those EMB-135/145s when nearly all of them are being parked up around the world due to the price of fuel and such a small capacity?
I don't want to be negative but whats the economics of those EMB-135/145s when nearly all of them are being parked up around the world due to the price of fuel and such a small capacity?
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Can anyone divulge what Capt and F/O salaries are?
FO's $75K plus Super plus allowances
CPT $130 plus above
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A quick look online shows $40k with FlightSafety. I reckon you could throw on another $5-6k for hotel, airfares and food.
The pay for your endorsement business model started enmasse (in AU) with Virgin some years ago now. It's hardly JetGo's fault to be following what many others have since adopted. They do however purport to recover the cost of the rating to the individual which in essence I suppose is a sign of goodwill.
They really should have someone proof read the ads that go to the AFAP website though. The one that went up recently is a bit of a mess.
More power to them for having a go.
The pay for your endorsement business model started enmasse (in AU) with Virgin some years ago now. It's hardly JetGo's fault to be following what many others have since adopted. They do however purport to recover the cost of the rating to the individual which in essence I suppose is a sign of goodwill.
They really should have someone proof read the ads that go to the AFAP website though. The one that went up recently is a bit of a mess.
More power to them for having a go.
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Agreed BPA. Key word there 'enmasse'. Should Jetgo sink significant roots I hope they'll follow VA with reduced salaries until prescribed experience is achieved in lieu of paying for your rating.
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Holding Group Interviews in BNE next week. Type rating is around 30K. Word is they have 5 aircraft arriving before end of the year so a lot of crew ramp up. I hope they do well and prosper. As someone else said here, its just awesome that there is another jet operator that can give people a go...
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Holding Group Interviews in BNE next week. Type rating is around 30K. Word is they have 5 aircraft arriving before end of the year so a lot of crew ramp up. I hope they do well and prosper.
These guys have good backers, good plans and are putting things together rather succinctly. Watch this space.....
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I think the type is an ideal RPT choice given its first to market in Aus with no direct jet competitor (at present). A hub busting model will more than likely be their unique operational advantage (don't be tempted to pull in to a port en route!), but that won't make it a walk in the park.
A qantaslink Q400 operating say Bundaberg Sydney would be only around 20 mins slower so they could be challenged to some extent.
The day to day operations will be relatively the easy part. Knowing some of the management people from years back, I do hope they've honed their marketing skills or have some really sharp people on the team to drive their sales programme. A very substantial sales & marketing budget does certainly need to be on hand from the outset.
Jet vs prop won't count for much if the prop price is more attractive, particularly ex regional centres. The incumbents' loyalty programmes alone will prove challenging.
James Strong proclaimed many years ago that when you initiate a new route, it must make money from day one. Planning to wear losses in a start - up phase is death. The message is hit the ground running and fill that machine from the first departure.
That's really where these games are mostly won or lost. The opposition doesn’t need to annihilate you, just keep you one seat below the break even load factor and its Korda Mentha to the rescue.
All that said, I think they can be successful. Who knows what success may mean to the founders (around for 20 years as an independent, sell out to VB/ QF/ Rex or maybe a code share/ feeder arrangement).
If the plan is not to play the long game, it would be wise to establish and maintain a dialogue with other prominent airline people as early as possible.
A qantaslink Q400 operating say Bundaberg Sydney would be only around 20 mins slower so they could be challenged to some extent.
The day to day operations will be relatively the easy part. Knowing some of the management people from years back, I do hope they've honed their marketing skills or have some really sharp people on the team to drive their sales programme. A very substantial sales & marketing budget does certainly need to be on hand from the outset.
Jet vs prop won't count for much if the prop price is more attractive, particularly ex regional centres. The incumbents' loyalty programmes alone will prove challenging.
James Strong proclaimed many years ago that when you initiate a new route, it must make money from day one. Planning to wear losses in a start - up phase is death. The message is hit the ground running and fill that machine from the first departure.
That's really where these games are mostly won or lost. The opposition doesn’t need to annihilate you, just keep you one seat below the break even load factor and its Korda Mentha to the rescue.
All that said, I think they can be successful. Who knows what success may mean to the founders (around for 20 years as an independent, sell out to VB/ QF/ Rex or maybe a code share/ feeder arrangement).
If the plan is not to play the long game, it would be wise to establish and maintain a dialogue with other prominent airline people as early as possible.
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some of new aircraft under 20,000 kgs MTOW ?
it would make a lot of sense if some of the new aircraft were under 20k.
They could then operate routes such as Essendon/Bankstown on a corporate jet basis, but at commercial fares very similar to QF/VA.
With no B/S security & free or close to free car parking & no time wasting at either ends routes like this could be a real winner.
Wouldn't need a QF Club just something basic at each end.
They could then operate routes such as Essendon/Bankstown on a corporate jet basis, but at commercial fares very similar to QF/VA.
With no B/S security & free or close to free car parking & no time wasting at either ends routes like this could be a real winner.
Wouldn't need a QF Club just something basic at each end.
Shame about the lack of facilities/space (thanks to corporate development) and NIMBYs otherwise MB would be perfect for something like that.
There's a huge catchment area in the SE that would benefit from services to SY or BK. It would probably quarter the door to door travel time for the residents in that area.
There's a huge catchment area in the SE that would benefit from services to SY or BK. It would probably quarter the door to door travel time for the residents in that area.
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Holding Group Interviews in BNE next week. Type rating is around 30K. Word is they have 5 aircraft arriving before end of the year so a lot of crew ramp up. I hope they do well and prosper.
So are all interviews from their hold file or are they interviewing from new applicants from recent job ad as well?
So are all interviews from their hold file or are they interviewing from new applicants from recent job ad as well?
Despite the awful grammar, their advert spelled it out clearly enough, I thought.
Instead of asking other probable competitors for these jobs to post here (with the high probability of a bum steer!), why not get off your own bum and whack in an application? Then you will REALLY know what the score is.
Just because you apply, nothing says you have to take the job - or even attend the interview - if it doesn't appeal.
If you were just curious you could even apply under a carefully disguised alias.
Instead of asking other probable competitors for these jobs to post here (with the high probability of a bum steer!), why not get off your own bum and whack in an application? Then you will REALLY know what the score is.
Just because you apply, nothing says you have to take the job - or even attend the interview - if it doesn't appeal.
If you were just curious you could even apply under a carefully disguised alias.