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I guess all this rhetoric is why they call it Airlines of Pain and Grief
Just a Wild Ass Guess Not Easily Refuted I suppose
Just a Wild Ass Guess Not Easily Refuted I suppose
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Is it true that the Chief pilot (MFO) and CEO both fly in on a Monday morning and fly home on a Wednesday night?
Where do they find such dedicated individuals?
Where do they find such dedicated individuals?
But it does look as though they are back in favour with Newcrest, announcing they will be using APNG on the Pom Lihir run as of October, flicking PX. Heavylift to operate the Cairns Lihir return run as of October.
They're certainly welcome to the wet season night arrivals into LNV...
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Yep true Unusual-Attitude according to mine management "Airlines of PNG are commencing domestic flights between Lihir and Port Moresby as an extension of existing services in the area. Newcrest will start using these services as of 1 October 2014" I can sympathise with you regarding late night arrivals in the wet into Lihir, definitely gets the sphincter muscles going. But it is good news for the beleaguered Airlines of PNG.
As well, Hevilift to start on the Lihir to Cairns run with an ATR42-500, and they maintain the Highlands Buka Misima route.
Justa Dash wouldn't it be wonderful if as you allude, a local White Knight businessman, well maybe not so white but you get my drift, with lots of money came in and bought out the Airline. In the process rationalising the route structure, maintaining the aircraft properly, and started treating the staff like human beings. Does such a person exist? The place certainly needs a committed individual such as John Wild senior was. Someone who wants to live in country and is passionate about the company. I doubt this person would keep much of the current management, then again maybe they would thrive under such a person, who knows?
As you correctly point out the current major shareholder just sucks the company dry spending the money on expensive sporting teams in Cairns.
CHEers.
That"s all from this poster now got better things to do.
As well, Hevilift to start on the Lihir to Cairns run with an ATR42-500, and they maintain the Highlands Buka Misima route.
Justa Dash wouldn't it be wonderful if as you allude, a local White Knight businessman, well maybe not so white but you get my drift, with lots of money came in and bought out the Airline. In the process rationalising the route structure, maintaining the aircraft properly, and started treating the staff like human beings. Does such a person exist? The place certainly needs a committed individual such as John Wild senior was. Someone who wants to live in country and is passionate about the company. I doubt this person would keep much of the current management, then again maybe they would thrive under such a person, who knows?
As you correctly point out the current major shareholder just sucks the company dry spending the money on expensive sporting teams in Cairns.
CHEers.
That"s all from this poster now got better things to do.
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"As well, Hevilift to start on the Lihir to Cairns run with an ATR42-500, and they maintain the Highlands Buka Misima route."
When I worked at Airlines a few years ago they had all the contracts. Pulgera-PJV, Lihir-Cairns and the Lihir highlands run. Boy have they ever been run over by a half decent company in Hevilift. One who seem to have a bit of money behind them and run by good management.
(Thought bubble)-put in decent management and spend a bit of money=success. It's not rocket surgery. Their aircraft besides the ATR42-500 are all quite old airframes yet still seem reliable enough, Hmmm what are they doing right, Ahhh that's it, maintaining them. Time for the commuter/FIFO boys in management to walk into the room of mirrors I think.
I bet that Hevilift will be inundated with applications from Airlines crew keen to jump from a sinking ship. Hevilift will probably take quite a few of their better more experienced crew.
That's GOLD, seeing as they sacked pilots-experienced crew- a few months back-classic management technique.
The Ansett sim centre must love this crowd.
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When I worked at Airlines a few years ago they had all the contracts. Pulgera-PJV, Lihir-Cairns and the Lihir highlands run. Boy have they ever been run over by a half decent company in Hevilift. One who seem to have a bit of money behind them and run by good management.
(Thought bubble)-put in decent management and spend a bit of money=success. It's not rocket surgery. Their aircraft besides the ATR42-500 are all quite old airframes yet still seem reliable enough, Hmmm what are they doing right, Ahhh that's it, maintaining them. Time for the commuter/FIFO boys in management to walk into the room of mirrors I think.
I bet that Hevilift will be inundated with applications from Airlines crew keen to jump from a sinking ship. Hevilift will probably take quite a few of their better more experienced crew.
That's GOLD, seeing as they sacked pilots-experienced crew- a few months back-classic management technique.
The Ansett sim centre must love this crowd.
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Unless there has been a complete change of management ethos, Hevilift would certainly not be a career-enhancing move from APNG. Anyone switching between these two companies would be literally jumping from the frying pan into the fire.
Speaking of people getting burned, the third contender for domestic operations in PNG, Travelair, seem to have gone very quiet of late. Are they still in business? Or does 'quiet' in these forums mean everyone there is deliriously happy and all their bills have been paid?
Speaking of people getting burned, the third contender for domestic operations in PNG, Travelair, seem to have gone very quiet of late. Are they still in business? Or does 'quiet' in these forums mean everyone there is deliriously happy and all their bills have been paid?
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Mach E Avelli,
Putting aside our respective personal "experiences" with Hevilift I think there are some exceptions to your statement. An example is that of guys looking for command experience. There are pilots at APNG who started on the Twin Otter as an FO and gained perhaps 1000-1500 hours before moving on to the Dash 8. There they gained another 1500 hours as an FO. The next move would have been (before this point) a move back to the Otter as a captain but since APNG do not operate this type anymore these pilots are stuck in their current position. There is some debate whether they can move to the left hand seat of the Dash 8 as they do not have 500 hours ME command so what options do they have?
I know a couple of guys who are in this position and are moving from APNG to HL to be captains on the Otter. They have no multi turbine command time so I would think this would indeed count as a reasonable (at least) career move.
I do not work for either of these companies.
Putting aside our respective personal "experiences" with Hevilift I think there are some exceptions to your statement. An example is that of guys looking for command experience. There are pilots at APNG who started on the Twin Otter as an FO and gained perhaps 1000-1500 hours before moving on to the Dash 8. There they gained another 1500 hours as an FO. The next move would have been (before this point) a move back to the Otter as a captain but since APNG do not operate this type anymore these pilots are stuck in their current position. There is some debate whether they can move to the left hand seat of the Dash 8 as they do not have 500 hours ME command so what options do they have?
I know a couple of guys who are in this position and are moving from APNG to HL to be captains on the Otter. They have no multi turbine command time so I would think this would indeed count as a reasonable (at least) career move.
I do not work for either of these companies.
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HL are doubling their fleet again! Well done boys. Now enough of the back slapping and hand jobs time to produce these ATR42-500s from Europe 
APNG welcome back to contract work. Sounds like there are a few other contracts up for the taking. Good luck with securing ATRs for the sister airline.
APNG welcome back to contract work. Sounds like there are a few other contracts up for the taking. Good luck with securing ATRs for the sister airline.
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Was looking through the Kina securities web site and found that Airlines of PNG NPAT -profit after tax was -21 million Kina for year 2013 and around -19 million Kina in 2012. Their assets have decreased over 2013 and 2012. That's a lot of red ink.
There are 23 million shares listed. The major shareholder would have to be peeved I am sure.
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There are 23 million shares listed. The major shareholder would have to be peeved I am sure.
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That would be the former owner and primary driver of the business with over 65%. Your earlier post re FIFO management taking a look at themselves very relevant for some of them! The Kiwi will milk it to the end then blame all and sundry.
Acquisition if it progresses is only a few weeks away.
Acquisition if it progresses is only a few weeks away.
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The acquisition if it goes ahead will be interesting. What is there to buy tho'? Most of the Dash8 airframes are now leased, the (Bentley Boy-as referred to in another thread) has been steadily selling out of the country, Twin Otters, lots of property etc.
I can imagine the new major shareholder will buy his shares and get at least 3 seats on the board, the company will maintain its listing on the POMSOX. The new major shareholder will take over management; you will see lots of people from the Philippines running the show and assisting in the set up of the ATR operation.
I can imagine there will be a few changes in the management and operational ranks, replaced with Pilipinos. not sure if it will be a good thing or not, they certainly are getting the control at a bargain price if it happens. That's what rich people do though, take distressed companies and turn them around and make money down the track. Good luck all.
At least Airfares to Cebu will be cheaper.
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I can imagine the new major shareholder will buy his shares and get at least 3 seats on the board, the company will maintain its listing on the POMSOX. The new major shareholder will take over management; you will see lots of people from the Philippines running the show and assisting in the set up of the ATR operation.
I can imagine there will be a few changes in the management and operational ranks, replaced with Pilipinos. not sure if it will be a good thing or not, they certainly are getting the control at a bargain price if it happens. That's what rich people do though, take distressed companies and turn them around and make money down the track. Good luck all.
At least Airfares to Cebu will be cheaper.
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Was looking through the Kina securities web site and found that Airlines of PNG NPAT -profit after tax was -21 million Kina for year 2013 and around -19 million Kina in 2012. Their assets have decreased over 2013 and 2012. That's a lot of red ink.
As has been suggested before, what they need is a little bit of mumbo jumbo management training and all will be ok!
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Defence.......Defence.......Defence
APNG's "sister" airline also not performing in a robust manner when it comes to finances, according to a number of people close to the companies core. Even the Cairns Council have now become the Taipans major sponsor:
Cairns Taipans score sponsorship deal with council | Cairns Post
Article - The Official Website of the Cairns Taipans
Cairns Taipans score sponsorship deal with council | Cairns Post
Article - The Official Website of the Cairns Taipans
Cactusjack, in no place in those 2 articles does it say that the council is now the major sponsor, nor does it say Skytrans is no longer a sponsor.
That to me says Skytrans is the major sponsor considering they are part of the name of the club.
Once again it's your 'mumbo jumbo' mouth bashing a company that you still have a chip on your shoulder from, and twisting the truth to match your agenda.
Cairns Regional Council today announced it would extend its sponsorship of the Skytrans Cairns Taipans for five years.
Once again it's your 'mumbo jumbo' mouth bashing a company that you still have a chip on your shoulder from, and twisting the truth to match your agenda.
Haha! Good ole CJ...he's been willing and prophesizing the demise of SkyTrans since I can't remember...last I heard him conject was that they'd be gone by the end of last financial year...but they just refuse to die, eh Cactus?!
Mumbo jumbo indeed...
Mumbo jumbo indeed...
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Interesting comment about Sir John. You have to remember that he was a different breed of person to ‘Junior’. Junior is all about money only, not that his father wasn’t, but Junior does not care about lives. The two worst accidents with fatalities have occurred since he has been MD, on his watch. And exactly what has the CAA done? The safest place for the industry would be with him behind bars. The current MFO and CEO are no better. Kicked out of the Aussie industry with nowhere to go due to stuffing up Skytrans with their mismanagement, poor decision making and compulsive need to break rules and regulations. Junior gave them a spot at APNG, some sort of misguided loyalty which has seen both his airlines become $2 outfits......And has the place improved over 18 months at APNG since wee man and the dangerous Captain took over? Nope, good pilots and engineers have been punted to save costs, contracts lost and the place is virtually broke with the word ‘safety’ becoming the new evil. It is a disgrace. The MFO, CEO and MD should be walked. No wonder that on the day the Dash 8 accident report was released all staff were told to stay at the airport or in their compound as it was feared that locals would initiate reprisals. I actually wished the locals would have because enough lives have been lost to this mob.
I hope for the sake of the decent people left in the company that a takeover by PX occurs and the current managers are shipped back to Australia on the very next flight. The little man with a huge ego needs to go back to being a financial auditor as he isn’t capable of anything else having stuffed up two airlines is bad enough. The MFO needs to manage a tinpot fleet of 5 seat scud runners carrying freight only. Plus getting rid of them would save the company a fortune in salaries, bonuses and travel and accommodation expenses that is wasted on them both and their ‘3 day work week’. Skytrans future hinges on the DTMR contracts and successful tenders should be announced this month. The word on the street is that they will not be winning all 4 contracts, so cactus may be more in the know than some give him/her credit.
Both APNG and its sister airline Skytrans are an embarrassment. If I was a resource company or government I wouldn’t be putting my highly remunerated employees on either of them as they are only consistent with regulatory inaction, crashes, runway incursions and a pathological framework that underpins them both. Aviation is like evolution and eventually the diseased and dying die out and make way for new life, and that is where these two airlines are headed. The dodgy behaviors and mentalityof these guys should have been extinguished in the eighties and is not what is acceptable or should be considered the norm in 2014. CAA and CASA, where are you?
Both APNG and its sister airline Skytrans are an embarrassment. If I was a resource company or government I wouldn’t be putting my highly remunerated employees on either of them as they are only consistent with regulatory inaction, crashes, runway incursions and a pathological framework that underpins them both. Aviation is like evolution and eventually the diseased and dying die out and make way for new life, and that is where these two airlines are headed. The dodgy behaviors and mentalityof these guys should have been extinguished in the eighties and is not what is acceptable or should be considered the norm in 2014. CAA and CASA, where are you?
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Good post Pith Helmet, pretty much spot on. I am sure TCAS -as the staff lovingly call him- Pinnochio and the Bentley Boy and all their sycophants will get there's in due course, one can only hope so anyway.
I bet that there will never be series of books written about this crowd such as the "Balus" series. Nor will anyone ever say nice things about them at company get together.
It has been my experience that those who use fear and intimidation as a tool end up at the bottom of the pile.
I bet that there will never be series of books written about this crowd such as the "Balus" series. Nor will anyone ever say nice things about them at company get together.
It has been my experience that those who use fear and intimidation as a tool end up at the bottom of the pile.
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I hear that after sacking so many experienced Captains,they are now asking CASA for dispensations to upgrade unqualified F/O`s.
What does the board do and you might ask the same about CASA.
The next saving measures
will probably be,sack more pilots and stop running empty aircraft.
Where do they get these people?
What does the board do and you might ask the same about CASA.
The next saving measures
will probably be,sack more pilots and stop running empty aircraft.Where do they get these people?