300 Qantas pilots to get the chop ???
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From a 89er. Don't rush OS, do your sums, think about the family, what will it do to elderly parents, kids who love their school, pets, and mates, the cost of moving, the renting/ selling of your house. We had no choice, and it was ****e, if you take less money and can work here, give it consideration, (it was not a option for most of us) And then there is the wife. Happy wife, happy life, never a truer word spoken. Female pilots, the old man, can he cope? So many questions so few answers. Just don't rush into anything, for fear of not paying the mortgage, speak to the bank manager, explore other options. You should have never been placed in this position, the fault lies squarely with poor management, and I feel sorry for you all, and certainly know the feeling. The sandpit is not for everyone, and once there, many feel trapped, others love it. But many wives loath it. Its a bastard, it really is, but good planning, will pay off, the very best of luck.
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Hey FBN, I've listened to your drivel for pages and pages now. Simple little things for you to digest:
1. Management locked us out because they wanted to run the business as they saw fit, management prerogative they call it,
2. they, consequently, are responsible for ALL goings on. Just ask them who was responsible when they were making record profits? They were of course - and now losses - it is everyone else's fault,
3. walk into a terminal and find 50 Virgin passengers, ask them if they ever flew QANTAS before and if so why not now. I'll bet at least 10 if not 20% would tell you they hate J* and consequently walked. That's what you get with an MBwA (Management By walking Around),
4. duplicated management structures, loss of economies of scale, bad staff morale ALL management's fault!
5. Ever sat there when things are going wrong (pick a myriad different reasons) in a plane when you're responsible? Not for some KPIs or budget but real people's lives?
Why don't you go find the nearest rock and rot under it you narcissistic par.site!
1. Management locked us out because they wanted to run the business as they saw fit, management prerogative they call it,
2. they, consequently, are responsible for ALL goings on. Just ask them who was responsible when they were making record profits? They were of course - and now losses - it is everyone else's fault,
3. walk into a terminal and find 50 Virgin passengers, ask them if they ever flew QANTAS before and if so why not now. I'll bet at least 10 if not 20% would tell you they hate J* and consequently walked. That's what you get with an MBwA (Management By walking Around),
4. duplicated management structures, loss of economies of scale, bad staff morale ALL management's fault!
5. Ever sat there when things are going wrong (pick a myriad different reasons) in a plane when you're responsible? Not for some KPIs or budget but real people's lives?
Why don't you go find the nearest rock and rot under it you narcissistic par.site!
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I think you have 1350 pilots for your wide body fleets. Taking away the 767 numbers , you have 1200 for a fleet of 47 aircraft really quite an unbelievably over crew considering in this 47 you have 11 330s that fly only domestic.
So lets assume the domestic 330s are crewed to the same ratio of domestic 767s
Now that leaves about 1075 crew for the 36 WB aircraft you actually have that go overseas - so 30 pilots per aircraft.
Wow no wonder your international division loses money.
I will tell you one thing you here a lot of people who work for Jetstar and Qlink saying well we make a group a tonne of money & we can't get a pay rise. I think the Jetstar pilots EBA has been expired for nearly two years. But who cares about them, at least the mainline chappies got a new EBA. So you know that last word you called me , really puts that in a bit of different perspective.
So lets assume the domestic 330s are crewed to the same ratio of domestic 767s
Now that leaves about 1075 crew for the 36 WB aircraft you actually have that go overseas - so 30 pilots per aircraft.
Wow no wonder your international division loses money.
I will tell you one thing you here a lot of people who work for Jetstar and Qlink saying well we make a group a tonne of money & we can't get a pay rise. I think the Jetstar pilots EBA has been expired for nearly two years. But who cares about them, at least the mainline chappies got a new EBA. So you know that last word you called me , really puts that in a bit of different perspective.
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Qantas are now realising the real cost of outsourcing the group flying to Jetconnect, Cobham & JQ.
The cost of retraining via Reduction in Numbers is huge and they have no one else to blame but themselves.
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The cost of retraining via Reduction in Numbers is huge and they have no one else to blame but themselves.
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I know you think this is great sport but it is not.
Your posts are completely wrong and cruel.
Your posts are completely wrong and cruel.
It's cruel alright, awful stuff, right or wrong, there are a lot of people on this thread who have given a lifetimes dedication to Qantas. Tired of people coming on here berating this dedication, particularly this week.. go away FBN, your comments today are appalling.
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I will tell you one thing you here a lot of people who work for Jetstar and Qlink saying well we make a group a tonne of money & we can't get a pay rise. I think the Jetstar pilots EBA has been expired for nearly two years. But who cares about them, at least the mainline chappies got a new EBA. So you know that last word you called me , really puts that in a bit of different perspective.
How long has the QF SH EBA been expired for now? I think you will find QF domestic made more money than JQ and QLink consistently for many years up until the capacity war with VA.
Whilst 'parasite' might not be the right word, I think 'dill' is. You are an ill informed, 'fact' twisting, divisive troll who will stop at nothing to bring down others, most of whom I'll bet you have never met, and if you did, would never sit down and waste their time with you.
As I have stated numerous time in this board and others, the 'Qantas Pilot' (or for that matter, JQ/VA/TT pilot) that you facelessly and namelessly rant about on here is but a figment of your imagination, built purely from what I can only assume is smatterings of mistold anecdotes and your own jealousy.
The 'facts' as you present them are totally invalidated by your inability to present them in their entirety, or more likely your inability to investigate them in their entirety. For you to jump on here and presume that it is a QF LH pilot's own personal fault that they work less than the regulatory/WD limits is a pretty big call, considering that it was only a few short years ago that almost every fleet was bumping up against either the monthly or annual hours limits.
The pay scales you inaccurately reproduce here, or more accurately the ones contained in the precursor to the WD, were negotiated to the backdrop of a $1B annual profit and found to be perfectly acceptable to both the company and the pilots, and it was only by direction from executive level management that Qantas was not able to continue negotiations with AIPA in 2011. That is fact and is admitted by those sitting on both sides of the table. Whilst neither party was without fault, had they been able to negotiate without interference from above, perhaps a more appropriate outcome would have been reached, given the global financial crisis was still very much at play.
I wish you well in your quest for more accurate knowledge.
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Well FBN, you seem to have big opinions and thoughts on how wonderful it is to watch the demise of the Qantas pilot group, And your lack of compassion towards my colleagues and their families is utterly disgraceful and is un-Australian.
So FBN, how about put us in the picture of what you do for a crust and let us give you our opinions and thoughts on your occupation?
Until then, f#%k off and let us deal with telling our kids they will be changing schools next week and we will be looking for a new home to live while Daddy finds another job.
You are an utter prick.
So FBN, how about put us in the picture of what you do for a crust and let us give you our opinions and thoughts on your occupation?
Until then, f#%k off and let us deal with telling our kids they will be changing schools next week and we will be looking for a new home to live while Daddy finds another job.
You are an utter prick.
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Ida down, excellent post mate. It's nice to see someone post whilst thinking about his/her fellow pilot's welfare. Sage advice and I for one will keep it in mind as I try to decide what to do in these trying times.
I never thought I'd see the day when QF laid off pilots. It was one of the few "safe" jobs in Australian aviation, alongside the RFDS.
Other operators went broke or retrenched people but a job with with Qantas or Ansett meant security and a pension at the end of it. It was something to aspire to while you were flogging around in a 20 year old piston twin for taxi driver money.
At least there's work available at the moment, but it will mean a move abroad.
Other operators went broke or retrenched people but a job with with Qantas or Ansett meant security and a pension at the end of it. It was something to aspire to while you were flogging around in a 20 year old piston twin for taxi driver money.
At least there's work available at the moment, but it will mean a move abroad.
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Because Qantas pilots are a lazy lot and speak English only, I shall spell it out for you:
Nunc est bibendum, nunc pede libero pulsanda tellus... "Now we must drink, and stamp the ground with a free foot... "
Keg, of course, knows this but the rest of you should think about it...remember 89'?
Nunc est bibendum, nunc pede libero pulsanda tellus... "Now we must drink, and stamp the ground with a free foot... "
Keg, of course, knows this but the rest of you should think about it...remember 89'?
Nunc est bibendum
Poor Keg: may not even get a gig as a 380 FO and the corresponding payrise.
Meanwhile pilots are in serious threat of being made CR (77 330 SO slots anyone?)
Meanwhile pilots are in serious threat of being made CR (77 330 SO slots anyone?)
Not sure your figures are accurate when it comes to 767 command compared to A380 F/O either. The F/Os soon to be demoted to S/ A380 get a pay rise due to 9% difference in hourly pay rate but 25% O/T. Line ball for me I reckon and if I jag a slot on the 380 I'll be a junior burger and this not as much O/T as those at the top of the pile.
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I just saw Sue Bussell leaving a very expensive restaurant in the Rocks. She was pissing herself laughing with her dinner companion.
No doubt her and Oldmeadow have really enjoyed the last 36 hours.
No doubt her and Oldmeadow have really enjoyed the last 36 hours.
Nunc est bibendum
Amos, always time to be drinking. The irony is that I'm a teetotaller about 350 days a year.
Lol. Just when I thought you and I were starting to get along mohikan. That's twice you've taken a pot shot at me on PPRUNE and you're 2 for 2 at being incorrect. I do love the irony and hypocrisy though. You claim that I don't put my name to stuff on Qrewroom that I espouse here whilst interestingly you've had two separate anonymous goes at me on PPRUNE but never taken me on publicly on Qrewroom re the A380 rates (which I've been banging on about since 2008) or the other matter from a few years back.
To clarify one point. I've said that A380 pay rates are unjustifiable on a work rate/ effort comparison with other mainline fleets, and that they're unsustainable. I don't recall advocating a pay cut but I don't write off the possibility that I may have. I've also advocated that different pay rates between fleets result in mass cross training as people go for the pay rise and that's ultimately to the detriment of all of us. I have some ideas as to how to address these issues but normally don't bother with people that sound off on anonymous and false allegations.
So start the topic in Qrewroom. Put your name to it and I'll be there. If you don't have the guts for that, just your name and phone number and I'll buy the first beer..... for you. I'll drink diet coke as always.
Keg has been calling for a pay cut on this forum for A380 pilots. Didn't have the cohones to do it on Qrewroom under his real name of course...
To clarify one point. I've said that A380 pay rates are unjustifiable on a work rate/ effort comparison with other mainline fleets, and that they're unsustainable. I don't recall advocating a pay cut but I don't write off the possibility that I may have. I've also advocated that different pay rates between fleets result in mass cross training as people go for the pay rise and that's ultimately to the detriment of all of us. I have some ideas as to how to address these issues but normally don't bother with people that sound off on anonymous and false allegations.
So start the topic in Qrewroom. Put your name to it and I'll be there. If you don't have the guts for that, just your name and phone number and I'll buy the first beer..... for you. I'll drink diet coke as always.
I've said that A380 pay rates are unjustifiable on a work rate/ effort comparison with other mainline
Words dont describe the sadness.
So unnecessary, so wrong.
So unnecessary, so wrong.