300 Qantas pilots to get the chop ???
Uhhh no. That wouldn't be happening. Well, it did once, but we had an attitude calibration once they finally made their own way to the hotel.
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Article mentions demotions for Captains and FOs...
Article mentions demotions for Captains and FOs...
Nunc est bibendum
Yep. That's been a given for about 8 months now. It might be new to those external to Qantas but those of us on the 767 have understood it was likely for 12-18 months and even more sure of it since about July last year.
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Original hotnhigh"'What you don't seem to grasp is the likes of Clifford and Joyce bully their way around employee relations, attempted to do so with government relations and treat the most important people, the paying customer, with sheer contempt.
Actually I find the flight attendants do this fairly well!!!
Actually I find the flight attendants do this fairly well!!!
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Reductions in Numbers.
50 747 Captains
50 747 F0's
All 767 Captains (74)
All 767 FO's (59)
Slots:- 12 A380 Captains MEL
10 A330 Captains Mel/Per
15 737 Captains ADL
2 A380 FO SYD
3 A330 FO Per
1 A330 FO SYD
15 B737 FO ADL
14 A380 SO MEL
8 A330 SO SYD
50 747 Captains
50 747 F0's
All 767 Captains (74)
All 767 FO's (59)
Slots:- 12 A380 Captains MEL
10 A330 Captains Mel/Per
15 737 Captains ADL
2 A380 FO SYD
3 A330 FO Per
1 A330 FO SYD
15 B737 FO ADL
14 A380 SO MEL
8 A330 SO SYD
Nunc est bibendum
Kremin, I think the redeployment slots are in addition to the training vacancies. Otherwise why advertise that they have 12 SYD A380 captain slots for redeployment?
So the way I read it, to your list we can add:
8 A380 Captains in MEL
12 A330 captains in SYD
8 A380 F/Os SYD
10 A330 F/Os SYD
20 A380 S/O MEL
14 A380 S/O SYD
Clear as mud?
Judging by that lot though it looks like I may not even get to the A380.
So the way I read it, to your list we can add:
8 A380 Captains in MEL
12 A330 captains in SYD
8 A380 F/Os SYD
10 A330 F/Os SYD
20 A380 S/O MEL
14 A380 S/O SYD
Clear as mud?
Judging by that lot though it looks like I may not even get to the A380.
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Poor Keg: may not even get a gig as a 380 FO and the corresponding payrise.
Meanwhile pilots are in serious threat of being made CR (77 330 SO slots anyone?)
Qantas confirms up to 223 pilots to go by end of June
Meanwhile pilots are in serious threat of being made CR (77 330 SO slots anyone?)
Qantas confirms up to 223 pilots to go by end of June
It must be on everyone's mind that anyone not affected on this particular RIN is whistling past the graveyard. I'll be astonished if there are more than 1500 total mainline pilots in a few years.
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They should have got rid of at least 500 now, the A380 Pilots are lucky to crack 500 hours per year. Of the 2000 QF pilots there now , about 1250 are LH - how many LH Aircraft are there ??
Got to be one of the highest crew /aircraft ratios in the world.
Heard the wages bill for long haul pilots sitting on reserve was 100 million last year.
Not how they do it at SIA and Cathay & that would be one of the reasons they are in front of you.
Got to be one of the highest crew /aircraft ratios in the world.
Heard the wages bill for long haul pilots sitting on reserve was 100 million last year.
Not how they do it at SIA and Cathay & that would be one of the reasons they are in front of you.
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Poor Keg: may not even get a gig as a 380 FO and the corresponding payrise.
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I hear there is over 200 pilots over 65 at QF. Shame on every one of you for not taking VR. What a bunch of selfish `s
I hear there is over 200 pilots over 65 at QF. Shame on every one of you for not taking VR. What a bunch of selfish `s
I'll go out on a limb here and state that this RIN process and all the training that it will cause will never happen. Once the numbers are sorted it will be rushed off to fair work by AJ claiming it will send the company broke and we will be left with training being assigned to the fleets that requires training numbers and redundancies off of fleets.
They are working to a timeline, hence only 2 weeks until bids close.
Watch this space.
I see FBN has put another very useful and helpful post on the forum. FBN, you keep quoting all these marvellous numbers but the fact is you never back them up with anything. That to me just says you are full of ****. Go away.
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Dear Mr Tiny Testicles,
I know you think this is great sport but it is not.
Your posts are completely wrong and cruel. Fcuk off.
There are a significant number of people who through no fault of their own are facing major problems, and you are just being ignorant.
Fcuk off and let some decent hard working people sort out their future.
Love
N
I know you think this is great sport but it is not.
Your posts are completely wrong and cruel. Fcuk off.
There are a significant number of people who through no fault of their own are facing major problems, and you are just being ignorant.
Fcuk off and let some decent hard working people sort out their future.
Love
N
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At least 1300 Long Haul Pilots , 13 each of 747/767, 12 380s, & 22 330s
Remember that of the fleet of sixty WBs , 40% of the fleet do domestic only (all 767s, half 330s) before
someone starts babbling about the complexities of LH WB international flying and the reserves required.
Fairly high crewing ratio you might think.
Oh and how many hours are the A380 pilots flying per year, anyone got a raise on 550 hours ?
Remember that of the fleet of sixty WBs , 40% of the fleet do domestic only (all 767s, half 330s) before
someone starts babbling about the complexities of LH WB international flying and the reserves required.
Fairly high crewing ratio you might think.
Oh and how many hours are the A380 pilots flying per year, anyone got a raise on 550 hours ?
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Keg has been calling for a pay cut on this forum for A380 pilots. Didn't have the cohones to do it on Qrewroom under his real name of course...
FBN
The issue is that the flying program has been steadily shrinking in favour of JQ for years now, but the company has not progressively dealt with surpluses through a rolling VR program, more opportunities to go to other group airlines and through demotions ect
Not the fault of those employed. All of us are available for 1000 a year, as per the previous and current contract
FBN
The issue is that the flying program has been steadily shrinking in favour of JQ for years now, but the company has not progressively dealt with surpluses through a rolling VR program, more opportunities to go to other group airlines and through demotions ect
Not the fault of those employed. All of us are available for 1000 a year, as per the previous and current contract
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I wouldn't say you were out on a limb. Its either that or with the 77 330 SO positions 'available', they are prepping for CR.
There is no way the Company will pay for all that training. And I don't believe that when the displacement clause was originally written that it was ever foreseen that we would have so many numbers being moved, or so many types of aircraft.
Its not going to be pretty. Look out for each other.
I'll go out on a limb here and state that this RIN process and all the training that it will cause will never happen. Once the numbers are sorted it will be rushed off to fair work by AJ claiming it will send the company broke and we will be left with training being assigned to the fleets that requires training numbers and redundancies off of fleets
There is no way the Company will pay for all that training. And I don't believe that when the displacement clause was originally written that it was ever foreseen that we would have so many numbers being moved, or so many types of aircraft.
Its not going to be pretty. Look out for each other.
