300 Qantas pilots to get the chop ???
No Luxury car tax (33% above $60Kish in AUS)
No 5% import car tariff.
Much shorter boat ride from the factory.
Average sales tax in USA 5.75% rather than the 10% GS
No 5% import car tariff.
Much shorter boat ride from the factory.
Average sales tax in USA 5.75% rather than the 10% GS
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Only 12 trillion?
Just so you get the picture, The USA printed 12 trillion dollars to extricate themselves from the GFC. Assuming an average house is worth half-a-million dollars, this amount is equal to a house sale every 2 seconds for the next 250,000 YEARS.
US Govt debt is destroying the place, but to a very large degree is caused by health care program's and the like. The growth in medical expenses and govt departments has been nothing short of spectacular and is exponential. It is one of the very first times in history that a world superpower is destroying itself through populace largesse rather than military weakness/failure.
And of course it's not that simple, but I think that's the problem the US is grappling with. Voters want more cash for their vote....
And of course it's not that simple, but I think that's the problem the US is grappling with. Voters want more cash for their vote....
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Interesting Wikipedia page ..
List of countries by public debt - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Gross Government Debt as % of GDP
Japan 237%
USA 106%
and .. way down the list we come to .
Australia 27%
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List of countries by public debt - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Gross Government Debt as % of GDP
Japan 237%
USA 106%
and .. way down the list we come to .
Australia 27%
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And 6 years ago Australia's was 0.
I could argue politics till the cows come home. It certainly affects us as crew but I am thankful Abbott didnt help that revolting twerp get a bigger swimming pool, but back on topic please guys/gals.. Its a good thread
Throwing GDP debt figures and tax at me is like waving a red rag to a bull - I apologise
Throwing GDP debt figures and tax at me is like waving a red rag to a bull - I apologise
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Now this is a surprise.........................not!
If You Eat, Drink, & Smoke, These Are The Worst Places To Live In The World | Zero Hedge
If You Eat, Drink, & Smoke, These Are The Worst Places To Live In The World | Zero Hedge
We are all now paying for our inept Govt system over the past 6 years or so but if we don't suffer some pain now we shall be so far down the track that what's left of this once great country will just be a broke rotting mess with no hope & no future.
What we once called some countries third world thinking we where above them we now stand embarrassed!
WE have done this & I am not proud leaving little to look forward for our children with aviation being one industry that's becoming a dead duck with now a very unstable future.
Wmk2
What we once called some countries third world thinking we where above them we now stand embarrassed!
WE have done this & I am not proud leaving little to look forward for our children with aviation being one industry that's becoming a dead duck with now a very unstable future.
Wmk2
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“I asked a Seattle based Delta Airlines 330 captain . . . .”
Australopithecus,
Your worldview of the airline industry fits perfectly with your well-chosen pprune name.
A DAL captain is like you, a relic of the past fighting to maintain relevance and hardly an accurate yardstick of the US airline industry.
Also, your net figures for the DAL guy are not accurate. He would be paying a lot more tax than you imagine. You fall prey to the trap most Australians fall into. The cost of living is higher in the US than you think and housing is more expensive than you imagine. There are more hidden taxes than Australia too.
More importantly, salaries in the US are way lower for most people than they are in Australia. There are airline captains in the US flying jet aircraft for airlines classed as majors struggling to make 80k!
Why don’t you make a comparison between your apparently pitiful wage and a pilot employed by a newer unencumbered airline such as Spirit or Allegiant?
I have lived in the US for the past 15 years, worked here and Australia and it makes me sick to hear Australians who earn 300k complaining.
Australopithecus,
Your worldview of the airline industry fits perfectly with your well-chosen pprune name.
A DAL captain is like you, a relic of the past fighting to maintain relevance and hardly an accurate yardstick of the US airline industry.
Also, your net figures for the DAL guy are not accurate. He would be paying a lot more tax than you imagine. You fall prey to the trap most Australians fall into. The cost of living is higher in the US than you think and housing is more expensive than you imagine. There are more hidden taxes than Australia too.
More importantly, salaries in the US are way lower for most people than they are in Australia. There are airline captains in the US flying jet aircraft for airlines classed as majors struggling to make 80k!
Why don’t you make a comparison between your apparently pitiful wage and a pilot employed by a newer unencumbered airline such as Spirit or Allegiant?
I have lived in the US for the past 15 years, worked here and Australia and it makes me sick to hear Australians who earn 300k complaining.
Professor,
Not to mention that they have probably lost their entire pension entitlements each time Chapter 11 was declared and been furloughed at short notice...how many times...?
Not to mention that they have probably lost their entire pension entitlements each time Chapter 11 was declared and been furloughed at short notice...how many times...?
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The Banjo,
Very true, I forgot to mention. The 401K's at the majors such as DAL (expecially for the ex NWA pilots on the 330 fleet)are nothing compared to similar programs at QF.
Again, its very sadening to see a QF pilot earning 300k complaining.
Very true, I forgot to mention. The 401K's at the majors such as DAL (expecially for the ex NWA pilots on the 330 fleet)are nothing compared to similar programs at QF.
Again, its very sadening to see a QF pilot earning 300k complaining.
The Professor:
1. I have never had, nor do I wish to have relevance to anything but my own small sphere of family and friends. It is by nature transitory anyway, and I am happy to do that whole circle-of-life thing.
2. The Delta guy lives in Washington, and the tax figures I quoted are from the U.S. IRS. There are no state taxes in Washington. He would pay higher property taxes I imagine, as well of the host of extra sales taxes etc. i was speaking of net wages though, as I am sure you are aware.
3.that average wages in the US are broadly lower defeats my argument how? The DL guy is making a higher multiple of both the average salary and the average-industry wide standard. Good on him.
You will find that the majority of airline pilots still make these legacy wages. I don't compare my salary to a Spirit pilot because I would not fly for them. They are the most hated of all airlines in North America by both their customer pool and their staff.
Having lived for a time in the USA also I am cognisant of the different standards of living enjoyed by workers earning similar wages.
Which brings us to the balance of your ad hominem rant (even proto-hominids like me are sensitive to the nuances of argument):
I did not complain about my salary at all, just pointing out some realities to the sub-set of pilots who think my and by extension, their, wages are too high.
There is a vexing trait in some people that requires their happiness to hinge on other people's failure as much as their own successes. It is an ugly impulse.
Anyway Professor, thanks for your missive-it speaks volumes. Say "hi" to Ginger and Marry-Ann for me.
1. I have never had, nor do I wish to have relevance to anything but my own small sphere of family and friends. It is by nature transitory anyway, and I am happy to do that whole circle-of-life thing.
2. The Delta guy lives in Washington, and the tax figures I quoted are from the U.S. IRS. There are no state taxes in Washington. He would pay higher property taxes I imagine, as well of the host of extra sales taxes etc. i was speaking of net wages though, as I am sure you are aware.
3.that average wages in the US are broadly lower defeats my argument how? The DL guy is making a higher multiple of both the average salary and the average-industry wide standard. Good on him.
You will find that the majority of airline pilots still make these legacy wages. I don't compare my salary to a Spirit pilot because I would not fly for them. They are the most hated of all airlines in North America by both their customer pool and their staff.
Having lived for a time in the USA also I am cognisant of the different standards of living enjoyed by workers earning similar wages.
Which brings us to the balance of your ad hominem rant (even proto-hominids like me are sensitive to the nuances of argument):
I did not complain about my salary at all, just pointing out some realities to the sub-set of pilots who think my and by extension, their, wages are too high.
There is a vexing trait in some people that requires their happiness to hinge on other people's failure as much as their own successes. It is an ugly impulse.
Anyway Professor, thanks for your missive-it speaks volumes. Say "hi" to Ginger and Marry-Ann for me.
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Dear Professor,
So that we can make some meaningful comparisons, perhaps you could add some detail to:
"He would be paying a lot more tax than you imagine. You fall prey to the trap most Australians fall into. The cost of living is higher in the US than you think and housing is more expensive than you imagine. There are more hidden taxes than Australia too."
We can work out Australian tax rates on income, we know what the GST is, we know we have to pay for medicare (as well as private health cover), but other than stamp duty, I cannot think of too many other Australian taxes (ignoring government charges for "user pays" things such as passports, pilot medicals etc).
So please let us know what these hidden taxes in the US are, and how the cost of living is higher than we might imagine. If you are prepared to educate us, we wont fall into the trap that you are alleging.
So that we can make some meaningful comparisons, perhaps you could add some detail to:
"He would be paying a lot more tax than you imagine. You fall prey to the trap most Australians fall into. The cost of living is higher in the US than you think and housing is more expensive than you imagine. There are more hidden taxes than Australia too."
We can work out Australian tax rates on income, we know what the GST is, we know we have to pay for medicare (as well as private health cover), but other than stamp duty, I cannot think of too many other Australian taxes (ignoring government charges for "user pays" things such as passports, pilot medicals etc).
So please let us know what these hidden taxes in the US are, and how the cost of living is higher than we might imagine. If you are prepared to educate us, we wont fall into the trap that you are alleging.
Let's be clear, we all wish we could have Q salaries, but as Dr. Phil says, how is that working out for you?
While salaries are clearly not the only impediment to the potential failure or success of Q, it seems that some Q pilots are starting to understand that salaries that pay a second officer more than a captain in most other Australian Airlines are playing their part in Q's difficulties. To ignore this is to live with a self justifying view of the world, we all do this sometimes.
Like the federal government, Qantas must run a budget, yet unlike the federal government, if they don't balance it, they go out of business. In the same way as everyone comes cap in hand to Joe Hockey asking that their policy area receive special treatment, everyone has to play a part in the overall success.
Like the majority of Australians, I don't like this budget. Yet I am happy to acknowledge that something has to give sooner or later.
I hope those guys that are given CR's are able to find work elsewhere sooner or later, I trust their training should give them a good standing do get back on with the career that they love. All the best.
While salaries are clearly not the only impediment to the potential failure or success of Q, it seems that some Q pilots are starting to understand that salaries that pay a second officer more than a captain in most other Australian Airlines are playing their part in Q's difficulties. To ignore this is to live with a self justifying view of the world, we all do this sometimes.
Like the federal government, Qantas must run a budget, yet unlike the federal government, if they don't balance it, they go out of business. In the same way as everyone comes cap in hand to Joe Hockey asking that their policy area receive special treatment, everyone has to play a part in the overall success.
Like the majority of Australians, I don't like this budget. Yet I am happy to acknowledge that something has to give sooner or later.
I hope those guys that are given CR's are able to find work elsewhere sooner or later, I trust their training should give them a good standing do get back on with the career that they love. All the best.
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I hope those guys that are given CR's are able to find work elsewhere sooner or later
