300 Qantas pilots to get the chop ???
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Don't forget the LH EBA is up at years end.
All those RIN's, would make it a little more palatable to accept a QF branded 787 on lesser terms and conditions.
I wouldn't put anything past management to apply a little pressure to accept a pay freeze mainline wide or a lower pay rate for a new type.
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Don't forget the LH EBA is up at years end.
All those RIN's, would make it a little more palatable to accept a QF branded 787 on lesser terms and conditions.
I wouldn't put anything past management to apply a little pressure to accept a pay freeze mainline wide or a lower pay rate for a new type.
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Their total pay is probably less than that of a couple of skygod S/O's 
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I recently saw a Chinese carrier exit AUS with 2 Captains & 2 FO's.
So your point about QF carrying an SO is what?
I recently saw a Chinese carrier exit AUS with 2 Captains & 2 FO's.
So your point about QF carrying an SO is what?
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Their total pay is probably less than that of a couple of skygod S/O's
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Well why was I in Singapore recently and saw a three pilot crew, including second officer taking a 744 back to Brisbane (they had time on their hands so were doing much posing and few laps of the concourse doing the "qantas strut")
As a matter of routine your A330s take SOs to Manilla, on all your routes to SEA you are carrying SOs when other airlines don't.
Well why was I in Singapore recently and saw a three pilot crew, including second officer taking a 744 back to Brisbane (they had time on their hands so were doing much posing and few laps of the concourse doing the "qantas strut")
As a matter of routine your A330s take SOs to Manilla, on all your routes to SEA you are carrying SOs when other airlines don't.
Very sad that your only enjoyment in your life is to come on this forum and other forums providing ill-informed and inaccurate jibber whilst taking pride in the downfall of others that have lead very long and distinguished careers whilst just doing the job. Our legacy is we saw the good old days, and would love for it to continue, unfortunately it is almost gone. Your legacy is you will never see anything close to it other than a queue at your local bank on pension day for your retirement.
So good luck with your continued support of management types and I hope one day you find that girlfriend so you can take one hand off the keyboard and the other hand off yourself, good luck with that!
You really are full of it!!! No SO flies to SIN anymore AFTER we pulled out of flying to Europe. Don't let THE facts get in the way of your stories. When QF had 3 crew on PER - SIN it was because they either did SIN - PER - SIN in one duty or the C or FO were 30 in 7 limited. I'm surprised you haven't highlighted those long haul naughty pilots operating 3 crew from BNE to SYD every morning on the 8. That too might be due to LEGISLATIVE requirements.... but carry on with your mud slinging, its giving everyone a good laugh.
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Had dinner with a consultant who had been involved with Qantas restructure. He said that once the grand plan had been rolled out and the long haul award was extinguished, the plan was to magically come up with a plan to equip Jetstar with 25 B787 to fly in both silver and red tails.
This isn't about pilots, it's about awards. Including the l/H flight attendants and engineers. There is a reason J* is working so hard on introducing the new 787. Their pilot award is 25% more efficient. Their F/A award is 66% more efficient etc etc
This isn't about pilots, it's about awards. Including the l/H flight attendants and engineers. There is a reason J* is working so hard on introducing the new 787. Their pilot award is 25% more efficient. Their F/A award is 66% more efficient etc etc
During the Qantas corporate management kite-flying, industry emotion, media frenzy and ambivalence of the Federal Government early December 2013 to February 2014, I was collating data for submissions to the Senate Committees on the Qantas Sales Act and Regional Transport inquiry. I spoke with several LNP Federal Ministers at length one of which was extremely enlightening and quoted the same or similar figures to qfpaypackets post.
Thus, the Federal Government and the Institutional Investors are aware of, or complacent, perhaps compliant of the elusive Qantas corporate master plan. It is about smashing industry awards and about union busting all rolled into one. That’s why Joyce and Clifford still exist at the top of Qantas management with the promise of 25% reduction in costs which has the institutional investors ravenous with fiscal anticipation. The result is the transition you see today. It is by any measure the most costly pathway for Qantas corporate to manoeuvre however and regardless the end result will see the full or near full demise of Qantas Longhaul. The final outcome will result in my brother and sister Pilots and I will ultimately lose our employment.
The Qantas share price is at $1:40 up from $1:18... Why? At Junk Bond Status and a poorly subscribed Capital Raising to support Debt.!
I think "complicit" may be the word you are looking for Colonel. And yes, both sides of politics are up to their Chairman's club memberships in it!
Cure the headache by cutting off the head. F#cking brilliant!
Cure the headache by cutting off the head. F#cking brilliant!
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It is quite clear that both major parties are complicit with this as are the fund managers and big end of town. 35000 sacrifices orchestrated by our own people who we elected! Get off your arse and do something about it. If this is a cause to fight for then I don't know what is. Support the minor parties(Palmer and Greens) and get to Canberra by anyway you can. ALL Qantas workers should unite. This is a WAR!
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Regarding FBN and redundancies.
If FBN has too put his occupation etc on here so should everyone alse.
Qf pilots are not the only ones on here staring down the barrel of redundancy in their workplace.
Qf pilots are not the only ones who have put in 110% effort only to have their careers go off the cliff through no fault of their own.It's the parachute they have built and how they control it that is the issue for them going forward.
Having gone through 3 redundancies I know it's not the most pleasant of experinces but I have learn't something from each one.
Qf pilots are not the only ones on here staring down the barrel of redundancy in their workplace.
Qf pilots are not the only ones who have put in 110% effort only to have their careers go off the cliff through no fault of their own.It's the parachute they have built and how they control it that is the issue for them going forward.
Having gone through 3 redundancies I know it's not the most pleasant of experinces but I have learn't something from each one.
"I recently saw a Chinese carrier exit AUS with 2 Captains & 2 FO's.
So your point about QF carrying an SO is what?"
A local CA crew of 2 caps and 2 fos would cost the airline in the ballpark of 240k USD per annum for the 4. Swap one local cap with a foreign cap and the number goes up to roughly 320k USD, maybe a little more, for the 4 bodies.
So your point about QF carrying an SO is what?"
A local CA crew of 2 caps and 2 fos would cost the airline in the ballpark of 240k USD per annum for the 4. Swap one local cap with a foreign cap and the number goes up to roughly 320k USD, maybe a little more, for the 4 bodies.
The Chinese airlines are offering circa $320,000 for just an expatriate captain, so your numbers are fantasy.
And so what. I can catch a taxi in Shanghai for an hour and pay around $10.00. The same ride here would require another mortgage. Other consumer price deltas are similar.
I wonder how much an airline executive makes in China?
And so what. I can catch a taxi in Shanghai for an hour and pay around $10.00. The same ride here would require another mortgage. Other consumer price deltas are similar.
I wonder how much an airline executive makes in China?
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Starting wage for 777 china southern F/O cadet is about 300 Aussie a month . Don't confuse expats wages with locals . Air china where paying local 737 cpts about RMB 13,000 a month 5-6 years ago (2000 Aussie a month ) , airbus fleet cpt on 23,000 (3500 a month) 8 years ago . Expats a whole different story .
Had dinner with a consultant who had been involved with Qantas restructure. He said that once the grand plan had been rolled out and the long haul award was extinguished, the plan was to magically come up with a plan to equip Jetstar with 25 B787 to fly in both silver and red tails.
This isn't about pilots, it's about awards. Including the l/H flight attendants and engineers. There is a reason J* is working so hard on introducing the new 787. Their pilot award is 25% more efficient. Their F/A award is 66% more efficient etc etc
This isn't about pilots, it's about awards. Including the l/H flight attendants and engineers. There is a reason J* is working so hard on introducing the new 787. Their pilot award is 25% more efficient. Their F/A award is 66% more efficient etc etc
QF has no ability to raise anywhere near the cash to get 25 787's. They are being forced to issue high priced bonds just to rollover existing debt. They cannot pay down debt from cashflow, nor do they generate enough cashflow for investing, they are on the hook for some 110 A320's and a few A380's that they cannot pay for. An act of magic really is the only way they will get 25 787's
However, I do not believe QF is about to go bust in the short term, as they still generate enough cash to cover existing operations. Lets again hope that history repeats. The leadership is relegated to a dark part of history and rest of the company is rebuilt and prospers. The sad part is, all the carnage along the way.
the way these morons operate, every QF, jq, QLink, network and cobham pilot is starring down the barrel of redundancy. don't for one second think that if mainline goes, the rest will survive.
It is puzzling in retrospect that QF got to the threshold of splitting short-haul off from longhaul and then shelved the idea after the huge costs were already spent. If the eventual demise of the airline was the goal it doesn't make sense.
I suspect that QF is copying Virgin's plan...A robust domestic airline with a token international operation and many other routes via code shares. Since there is no fleet plan for international it appears that it might stabilise at thirty or so aeroplanes, half of which will be dual use 330s.
I suspect that QF is copying Virgin's plan...A robust domestic airline with a token international operation and many other routes via code shares. Since there is no fleet plan for international it appears that it might stabilise at thirty or so aeroplanes, half of which will be dual use 330s.