QF Fraud - allowances
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#1 these 'facts' have been reported by the media.....😕
#2 superannuation already in your account is yours, the company has no legal right or actual ability to take money from your account. The only action available to them is not to place any more funds into account. e.g. someone may have accumulated a large amount of unused sick leave which may entitle the employee to a prorated payout would be unlikely to get any money. I am not sure what would happen with any annual or long service leave.
#3 I did not see the comments by FAAA but the interest of some cabin crew here is how the pilots are treated if guilty. A number of cabin crew have been sacked for theft, very minor by comparison with the allegations against the pilots.
#2 superannuation already in your account is yours, the company has no legal right or actual ability to take money from your account. The only action available to them is not to place any more funds into account. e.g. someone may have accumulated a large amount of unused sick leave which may entitle the employee to a prorated payout would be unlikely to get any money. I am not sure what would happen with any annual or long service leave.
#3 I did not see the comments by FAAA but the interest of some cabin crew here is how the pilots are treated if guilty. A number of cabin crew have been sacked for theft, very minor by comparison with the allegations against the pilots.
MP: Your best post yet. 100% agree. And you would know if you have read this thread I do have a foot in each camp, so to speak.
So, just to throw cats amongst pigeons, a $20k fraud gets the gallows.
So, what does a $3-4billion fraud get?
It's not bonuses is it?
So, just to throw cats amongst pigeons, a $20k fraud gets the gallows.
So, what does a $3-4billion fraud get?
It's not bonuses is it?
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Is it fraud to say QANTAS employs Australian cabin crew on long haul when in fact New Zealand based Jet Connect cabin crew operate between Melbourne / Los Angeles on the A380.
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In my experience - these items are a "claim".
I believe I'm "entitled" to a certain monetary amount and I claim it from my employer. If my employer concurs (this is actually the name of a company that provides third party management of said claims) then the "claim" is paid. If they don't concur then the claim is not paid. No fraud involved. If the company pays a claim and then subsequently decide that it is not valid then they instruct employee to repay the amount. Same as "claiming" a deduction on your tax return-if the ATO decides it's not valid then you have to pay it back.
I've had "claims" rejected before. Once claimed for payment when I thought I was off duty but subsequently proved I was on duty and not entitled. Quite innocent of course, no drama - money not paid. I wasn't trying to "pull a scam" but just a mistake. I imagine it's the same as if you believe you are outside a certain area and believe you can claim an amount for "off base training". This is why so many "bean counters" are employed - obviously to count beans and to ensure that certain beans are entitled to the claimant.
No need for "hanging from the mast"
I believe I'm "entitled" to a certain monetary amount and I claim it from my employer. If my employer concurs (this is actually the name of a company that provides third party management of said claims) then the "claim" is paid. If they don't concur then the claim is not paid. No fraud involved. If the company pays a claim and then subsequently decide that it is not valid then they instruct employee to repay the amount. Same as "claiming" a deduction on your tax return-if the ATO decides it's not valid then you have to pay it back.
I've had "claims" rejected before. Once claimed for payment when I thought I was off duty but subsequently proved I was on duty and not entitled. Quite innocent of course, no drama - money not paid. I wasn't trying to "pull a scam" but just a mistake. I imagine it's the same as if you believe you are outside a certain area and believe you can claim an amount for "off base training". This is why so many "bean counters" are employed - obviously to count beans and to ensure that certain beans are entitled to the claimant.
No need for "hanging from the mast"
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Fraud = an intentional dishonest act or omission done with the purpose of deceiving.
If staff knew they were outside the area and not entitled - then according to this legal definition, it is IS fraud.
If staff knew they were outside the area and not entitled - then according to this legal definition, it is IS fraud.
Beat up
The Captain as well. Starts his course Monday I believe.
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$200k w@nkers? For a minute, I thought you might be talking about certain fringe lunatic-party senators-elect. One minute earning $25k a year in a sawmill, then bringing in the new financial year with a $195k/year job, plus perks, allowances, and the ability to tell the PM to get stuffed.
I know who I'd rather be following down the glideslope on a rainy night with windshear, and it's not the guy with the stubby fingers!
I know who I'd rather be following down the glideslope on a rainy night with windshear, and it's not the guy with the stubby fingers!
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An apology should come from QF about pushing this to the media before getting things sorted in house.
It is a lesson to a few here in the first pages of this thread who are so quick to hang people without knowing any facts!
You can be sure the company will paint their employees in the worst possible light!
It is a lesson to a few here in the first pages of this thread who are so quick to hang people without knowing any facts!
You can be sure the company will paint their employees in the worst possible light!
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You can be sure the company will paint their employees in the worst possible light!
Unless one knows the exact circumstances, it is inappropriate to be calling for apologies from anyone. If, for instance, the crew had made an error of judgement, but were allowed off with a warning, would it be appropriate for Qantas to offer an apology?
The crew concerned may be innocent or guilty and still have their jobs. Lets not be pointing the finger at Qantas or the crew without knowing all of the facts. Perhaps it is better that we just remind ourselves to be careful and not act inappropriately.
The crew concerned may be innocent or guilty and still have their jobs. Lets not be pointing the finger at Qantas or the crew without knowing all of the facts. Perhaps it is better that we just remind ourselves to be careful and not act inappropriately.
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Don't really care about the facts or circumstances, all I know is this should never have been in the public domain.
History would say there is only one way this happened and why it happened so we all realistically know there is only one side that put it out there.
Shameful in anyone's language and shows there is just no low bar in this war of attrition and hopefully kharma comes back one day.
History would say there is only one way this happened and why it happened so we all realistically know there is only one side that put it out there.
Shameful in anyone's language and shows there is just no low bar in this war of attrition and hopefully kharma comes back one day.
