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Virgin ATR grounded in Albury

Old 30th Dec 2014, 05:18
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VH-FTS.....

He (W8) is way past making a fool of himself.

ProProp

Facts and knowledge are a rare commodity on PPRuNe. Thank you.

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Old 30th Dec 2014, 05:58
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Proprop, Thanks very much for your informative post.
Waaay too much speculation and misinformation in this thread over the past 10mo.

The aircraft fixed and back in service and hopefully steps taken at VARA, modified procedures etc to ensure that this type of incident is not repeated.
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Old 30th Dec 2014, 05:59
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Those are the facts. Lets stop making assumptions about things we don't know or understand.
PP - As you say, a well set out collection of the facts.

Well done, by someone who can call a spade a shovel when the need arises.

Happy New year to ya all, and all the best for 2015 and beyond.

Regards, B E.
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Old 30th Dec 2014, 09:47
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Instead of bagging him (W8) on his last comments how about answering the first half of his post, regarding WHAT happened to CREATE this mess?

PP's list of Facts may be well and good now, once the fat lady has sung, but who cares, you're "sweating the small stuff".
Why did she sing and how can this same song not be sung again?
There is a history of bad handling and poor CRM, non-adherence of SOPS (or own interpretations of them!), breaking of minima (QLD) etc etc.

What has changed to prevent this reoccurring? (honest question)
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Old 31st Dec 2014, 00:39
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It's unlikely that those who really know what went on, and are aware of the contributing organisational factors, are going to comment on a public forum while the investigation is still continuing. Until then you'll continue to have Qlink pilots throwing mud and plane spotters speculating.
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Old 31st Dec 2014, 02:47
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And VARA FOs fervently defending the company's honor...
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Old 31st Dec 2014, 03:56
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More than likely as well...therefore you won't get a true picture of what went on.
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Old 1st Jan 2015, 00:19
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"It's unlikely that those who really know what went on, and are aware of the contributing organisational factors, are going to comment on a public forum while the investigation is still continuing."


This is one of the most accurate comments on this thread.

Although, I'd add that they are also highly unlikely to comment once the investigation has been completed.
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Old 13th Jan 2015, 22:29
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Typlical politically correct response

"It's unlikely that those who really know what went on, and are aware of the contributing organisational factors, are going to comment on a public forum while the investigation is still continuing."

So true, So very true...

Never launch an investigation unless you know the result !!!

The results of which can already be realised: the big boys won't let the facts be scrutinised or a blackeye publicly noticed

Whilst VARA has cleaned up it's act - thx largely to the V safety system & personal - past bad employment is killing a great business model.

They have a huge issue in crewing & the ole Aussie work ethic is hard to find.

I really do wish them well >>> BUT THE ATR IS A 2 CREW AIRCRAFT OPERATING WITHIN A HIGH CAPACITY AOC...

MOST OF THESE INCIDENTS SHOULD OF BEEN MADE IN EITHER A C206 OR A ISLAND IN A CHARTER ENVIRONMENT BEFORE YOU GET INTO SUCH AN ESTEAMED, WELL PAID, PRIVILEGED POSITION...
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Old 14th Jan 2015, 02:57
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MOST OF THESE INCIDENTS SHOULD OF BEEN MADE IN EITHER A C206 OR A ISLAND IN A CHARTER ENVIRONMENT BEFORE YOU GET INTO SUCH AN ESTEAMED, WELL PAID, PRIVILEGED POSITION...
Really? An ATR job is an "ESTEAMED, WELL PAID, PRIVILEGED POSITION"? In most other countries its an entry level job.
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Old 14th Jan 2015, 07:16
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Grrr an entry level job

but only if you can spell...
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Old 14th Jan 2015, 15:18
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Well, it's definitely flying again .. would have been nice to finish it off with a decent repaint of the tail, though ..



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Old 14th Jan 2015, 20:30
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Read post 189. It went to Wagga for a touch up before re-entering service.
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Old 15th Jan 2015, 02:46
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That picture looks like WGA to me, down by the old Kendell hangar.
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Old 14th Jun 2016, 08:14
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Understand the final ATSB report comes out tomorrow with CASA in Bowen Hills today threatening to ground the entire ATR fleet.
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Old 14th Jun 2016, 11:20
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Originally Posted by rexxxxxy View Post
Understand the final ATSB report comes out tomorrow with CASA in Bowen Hills today threatening to ground the entire ATR fleet.
If they were going to ground them over that incident, they would have done it a long time ago. Plus it's now on a different AOC with a different maintenance provider.
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Old 14th Jun 2016, 11:43
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I thought Casa had all moved from Bowen Hills out to the BN Airport
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Old 14th Jun 2016, 13:37
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Think he/she means CASA were at the Virgin Village in Bowen Hills.
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Old 14th Jun 2016, 20:59
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Let's face it, if casa had an aoc they couldn't keep it. They are a do as I say not as I do organisation and unfortunately do not have a huge amount of respect within the industry.

I was kind of hopeful the new boss would see through a few people but that doesn't appear to have happened.
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Old 15th Jun 2016, 05:25
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The interim report has been released today. Interesting reading.
For those that haven't seen it. Here is a link:

Investigation: AO-2014-032 - In-flight pitch disconnect involving ATR 72 aircraft, VH FVR 47 km WSW of Sydney Airport, NSW on 20 February 2014
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