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Does it currently operate RPT flights? Do they have the necessary security and passenger handling facilities? I'm not familiar with the airport, but their website suggests that they don't.
If not, would they want to go there? Has anyone asked them? They may be happy doing their thing wrt corporate jets and GA
. Moving to RPT jet ops opens up a huge, expensive can of legislative worms, not to mention requirements for automated baggage handling systems, GHS contractors/equipment, check in and parking.
If an established operator like Virgin or Qantas turned up with a plan then maybe they would, but otherwise they'd have to invest a large amount of money on infrastructure upgrades (and a masssive amount of time complying with the legislative requirements) on a promise from an untested new airline.
Many people and organizations who spent money on stuff based on promises from untested new RPT airlines are still paying off the bills
, so I wouldn't blame Essendon for being a bit cautious. 
If not, would they want to go there? Has anyone asked them? They may be happy doing their thing wrt corporate jets and GA
. Moving to RPT jet ops opens up a huge, expensive can of legislative worms, not to mention requirements for automated baggage handling systems, GHS contractors/equipment, check in and parking. If an established operator like Virgin or Qantas turned up with a plan then maybe they would, but otherwise they'd have to invest a large amount of money on infrastructure upgrades (and a masssive amount of time complying with the legislative requirements) on a promise from an untested new airline.
Many people and organizations who spent money on stuff based on promises from untested new RPT airlines are still paying off the bills
, so I wouldn't blame Essendon for being a bit cautious.
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Isn't that like Darwin?
JQ planned to use Darwin as the launching pad for services to Asia.
Opened a base only to close it down.
Wanted all the infrastructure in place but didn't want to pay for it.
JQ planned to use Darwin as the launching pad for services to Asia.
Opened a base only to close it down.
Wanted all the infrastructure in place but didn't want to pay for it.
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think Alliance currently operate F70's & F100's in & out of MEB.
Why would they need automated baggage systems ?
Most business types have no checked baggage & that's where the $$$ are.
There's no money in leisure pax. Leisure pax just fill up the aircraft.
Why would they need automated baggage systems ?
Most business types have no checked baggage & that's where the $$$ are.
There's no money in leisure pax. Leisure pax just fill up the aircraft.
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under 20,000 kgs MTOW don't need to worry about security.
That covers plenty of aircraft types, inc 36 seater jets.
Also very quick to get on & off a 36 seater & at MEB no queues for everything.
That covers plenty of aircraft types, inc 36 seater jets.
Also very quick to get on & off a 36 seater & at MEB no queues for everything.
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You do if it's an RPT operation. The 20,000 kg waiver only applies to charter operations.
From the regulations;
4.02 Meaning of screened air service
(1) An aircraft must be a cleared aircraft before departure if it is operating a regular public transport operation or an open charter operation with a maximum weight of at least 20 000 kg.
Aviation Transport Security Regulations 2005
In my experience they like to have the option available, even if they don't always use it.
From the regulations;
4.02 Meaning of screened air service
(1) An aircraft must be a cleared aircraft before departure if it is operating a regular public transport operation or an open charter operation with a maximum weight of at least 20 000 kg.
Aviation Transport Security Regulations 2005
Most business types have no checked baggage & that's where the $$$ are.
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yeh Worrals in the wilds did you fail english comprehension at school ?
4.02 1) ....... maximum weight of at least 20 000 kg.
So under 20k no b/s security required - one massive saving
4.02 1) ....... maximum weight of at least 20 000 kg.
So under 20k no b/s security required - one massive saving
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Emirates business plan is not about buying old Airlines or starting new Airlines.
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Did that have an impact on their profit?
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That covers plenty of aircraft types, inc 36 seater jets.
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yeh Worrals in the wilds did you fail english comprehension at school ?
The OR is the key. If it is an RPT OR over 20 000kg it requires screening.
Worrals,
I think the backlash against you is a bit harsh as I can understand your interpretation of the rules due to its often poor wording. However there are several unscreened RPT flights operated everyday across the country in aircraft ranging from C208s to Dash 8s and the like.
I think the backlash against you is a bit harsh as I can understand your interpretation of the rules due to its often poor wording. However there are several unscreened RPT flights operated everyday across the country in aircraft ranging from C208s to Dash 8s and the like.
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Check Thrust; thanks and interesting. Do you refer to regional/remote services?
My understanding was that all RPT flights now required screening and that several regional ports had to spend considerable money to comply, even though their RPT service was only a twice weekly Metro or Dash 8.
Maybe there is room to move if the Minister gives his authority? Or maybe (and more likely
) the regulation is not fully enforced, particularly in regional areas?
I'm assuming they fit the definition below and openly sell tickets to the public for a fixed schedule, not just a few covert tickets for the spare seats on what's officially a FIFO charter. I'm sure you're aware of the definition but I'm not so sure about some of our fellow contributors. 
regular public transport operation means an operation of an aircraft for the purposes of the carriage of people, or both people and goods, of an air service that:
(a) is provided for a fee payable by persons using the service; and
(b) is available to the general public on a regular basis; and
(c) is conducted in accordance with fixed schedules to or from fixed terminals over specific routes.
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Agreed.
My understanding was that all RPT flights now required screening and that several regional ports had to spend considerable money to comply, even though their RPT service was only a twice weekly Metro or Dash 8.
Maybe there is room to move if the Minister gives his authority? Or maybe (and more likely
) the regulation is not fully enforced, particularly in regional areas? I'm assuming they fit the definition below and openly sell tickets to the public for a fixed schedule, not just a few covert tickets for the spare seats on what's officially a FIFO charter
. I'm sure you're aware of the definition but I'm not so sure about some of our fellow contributors. regular public transport operation means an operation of an aircraft for the purposes of the carriage of people, or both people and goods, of an air service that:
(a) is provided for a fee payable by persons using the service; and
(b) is available to the general public on a regular basis; and
(c) is conducted in accordance with fixed schedules to or from fixed terminals over specific routes.
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Why bother with forming an airline ? Just sell the muffins instead.
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Oh dear NADeals!
Timing is not perfect for a low cost player to enter the Aus Market
JQd is losing money
VAd is losing money
Tiger is losing money
The only domestic airline making money is QF and that's a full service airline that is now slowly starting to take back a few JQ routes
I am still waiting for your previous prediction of VA to "go broke"
Funnily enough the real pros SQ, EY, NZ see VA good enough to chuck significant amounts of cash in.
Timing is not perfect for a low cost player to enter the Aus Market
JQd is losing money
VAd is losing money
Tiger is losing money
The only domestic airline making money is QF and that's a full service airline that is now slowly starting to take back a few JQ routes
I am still waiting for your previous prediction of VA to "go broke"
Funnily enough the real pros SQ, EY, NZ see VA good enough to chuck significant amounts of cash in.
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ever heard of Rex ?
They're making money.
Most of their ports except SYD, MEL, ADL & DBO - no security(fight at Dubbo, due to QF introducing bigger aircraft)
Someone like them could get a new aircraft type perhaps & aim at the business market from alternative airports like MEB.
They're making money.
Most of their ports except SYD, MEL, ADL & DBO - no security(fight at Dubbo, due to QF introducing bigger aircraft)
Someone like them could get a new aircraft type perhaps & aim at the business market from alternative airports like MEB.