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Joyce is the patsy, he was always meant to be. Standard practice when you want to restructure something like QANTAS.
Bring him in, get to a particular point where every one will do anything to save it, give him the boot, appoint a new one and mold the company how they want it to be.
Joyce will keep a low profile for a while and then get appointed as CEO to another cushy spot proving he's a executive team player and prepared to take it one for the team.
You are all just falling into their hands.
Bring him in, get to a particular point where every one will do anything to save it, give him the boot, appoint a new one and mold the company how they want it to be.
Joyce will keep a low profile for a while and then get appointed as CEO to another cushy spot proving he's a executive team player and prepared to take it one for the team.
You are all just falling into their hands.
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Joyce sold the board a plan.
The Board bought it & supported Joyce.
But it was a terrible plan.
I reckon they have past their PNR & they are just riding it out with a serious degree of Group think amongst the Board & CEO(s).
The Board bought it & supported Joyce.
But it was a terrible plan.
I reckon they have past their PNR & they are just riding it out with a serious degree of Group think amongst the Board & CEO(s).
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From my take on the matter, the board selected a candidate based on what they saw as important at the time: taming the unions and returning shareholder value through cutting costs and expanding revenue. AJ has to work with the board and is part of the board, so while AJ may be the CEO, he has not operated independently of the board's agreement. What many on Pprune have noticed for years now is that the priorities have become a little scrambled. Shareholder value has been placed above customer and employee value, and in doing so, customer and employee value have headed south, rapidly followed by shareholder value. The board keep trying to tweak with the shareholder value, not comprehending that it is tied inextricably to the lead of the other two. They're trying to keep the fuselage airborne while the wings are disintegrating. The entire board deserves the blame. That's what they're paid for. They'll work it out in a few years time when they no longer have to concern themselves with the day to day running of an airline.
If Singapore Airlines can fly Singapore - Perth return four times a day and make money, yet Qantas fly Perth - Singapore return once a day and manage to lose money there must be something wrong with the business model.
Other industries have virtually disappeared from Australia because the cost of doing business there is too high, and international airlines based in Australia could easily be next on all but a few routes where they don't compete head to head with Asian and Middle Eastern hub airlines.
QF could have been a successful small airline along the lines of Air New Zealand had it moved with the times and operated the B777, and maintained it's reputation for quality and safety which is now trashed.
Alan Joyce isn't totally responsible for todays mess, the rot set in long ago. Unfortunately he isn't capable of fixing it.
Other industries have virtually disappeared from Australia because the cost of doing business there is too high, and international airlines based in Australia could easily be next on all but a few routes where they don't compete head to head with Asian and Middle Eastern hub airlines.
QF could have been a successful small airline along the lines of Air New Zealand had it moved with the times and operated the B777, and maintained it's reputation for quality and safety which is now trashed.
Alan Joyce isn't totally responsible for todays mess, the rot set in long ago. Unfortunately he isn't capable of fixing it.
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BNEA320.
Your posts always provide me so much to smile about. They keep showing how green you are. Of course, because it was in the paper it is true..... go back to Flight Sim version whatever it is now.
autopilot.
The term 'jetcancer' is not offensive. It is an incredibly accurate analogy. QF is dying, and it is self inflicted from pursuing the folly of Jetstar. Like the smoker who dies from lung cancer buts keeps smoking cigarettes seemingly ignorant to the cause, so too are the QF management and Board in their pursuit of Jetstar, which is in the process of killing the entire QF Group. You mightn't like the term, but it is very very accurate.
Your posts always provide me so much to smile about. They keep showing how green you are. Of course, because it was in the paper it is true..... go back to Flight Sim version whatever it is now.
autopilot.
The term 'jetcancer' is not offensive. It is an incredibly accurate analogy. QF is dying, and it is self inflicted from pursuing the folly of Jetstar. Like the smoker who dies from lung cancer buts keeps smoking cigarettes seemingly ignorant to the cause, so too are the QF management and Board in their pursuit of Jetstar, which is in the process of killing the entire QF Group. You mightn't like the term, but it is very very accurate.
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Alan Joyce isn't totally responsible for todays mess, the rot set in long ago. Unfortunately he isn't capable of fixing it.
I can't believe HE still has a job.
"Its not acceptable" - that's right Joyce - and you its all your fault!
Elements of Jetstar are sound and would compliment the Qantas group nicely. Jetstar Singapore / Hong Kong / Vietnam and Japan should have been 'gone' on the 27th. Jetstar Domestic and New Zealand including the Tasman should have been frozen at current levels and Jetstar International (330 / 787) should have been shutdown, no one will ever convince me that low cost longhaul is a good idea (and I work for them).
The 787's should have been immediately rebranded to Qantas with the 747 and 767 being completely replaced. This would have given a return to profitability much sooner and also given Qantas time to pursue the staff efficiencies and cost base they seek. It makes me sick that staff are suffering whilst the company continues to pursue non sensical businesses.
The 787's should have been immediately rebranded to Qantas with the 747 and 767 being completely replaced. This would have given a return to profitability much sooner and also given Qantas time to pursue the staff efficiencies and cost base they seek. It makes me sick that staff are suffering whilst the company continues to pursue non sensical businesses.
BNE320. Ask yourself why there is so little to do. I love the analogy that was told to me too many years ago to state.
“As a surgeon I can teach you how to take out an appendix in 10-20 minutes but it will take years for me to teach you what to do if something goes wrong.”
Yep those boys and girls just walked in and said give me a job up the front and pay me $110k and that’s how easy it was. I take it you still believe in Santa and the Easter bunny?
“As a surgeon I can teach you how to take out an appendix in 10-20 minutes but it will take years for me to teach you what to do if something goes wrong.”
Yep those boys and girls just walked in and said give me a job up the front and pay me $110k and that’s how easy it was. I take it you still believe in Santa and the Easter bunny?
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Good Post Ollie, I am not Pro or anti Jetstar but the 787's to Jetstar was a extremely poor decision. The A330's are fine and the synergies of an Airbus only fleet must outweigh the perceived advantages of the 78? The A330 is a pretty damn effiient aircraft, thats why they have been so popular.. The 787 would be a perfect replacement for the 767, and hell if management are hell bent on not putting it on the Long haul award they could make a new contract and at least offer it to the longhaul pilots..
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Consider:
The CEO is not there to win a popularity contest.
The company is not there to employ people.
The staff of QF is of no better quality than the staff at similar airlines.
The business will not support the wage disparity between QF staff and staff at other airlines forever especially considering the above point.
QF is not a profitable business. Do the employees of QF think change will not occur?
The CEO is not there to win a popularity contest.
The company is not there to employ people.
The staff of QF is of no better quality than the staff at similar airlines.
The business will not support the wage disparity between QF staff and staff at other airlines forever especially considering the above point.
QF is not a profitable business. Do the employees of QF think change will not occur?
Metro man,
Re singapore fly 4 times daily perth Singapore, Qantas once,
Can everyone please get over this carry on about how many more frequencies singapore and Cathay have to/from Australia to their hubs!
For example take a look at singapore to Dubai, emirates 3 daily, singapore one!
Osaka Kansai to Hong Kong, Cathay 4 daily, code share with Japan Airlines, but all Cathay metal, All Nippon one!
London to Dubai, British two, Emirates five, and all A380s!
So on a global basis it is not uncommon for another airline to operate greater frequencies out of another airlines home base!
So yes singapore and Cathay have greater frequencies ex australia to their hubs, and a lot of that traffic is onward transfer to other destinations.
But in other markets they do not provide the greater frequency!
Re singapore fly 4 times daily perth Singapore, Qantas once,
Can everyone please get over this carry on about how many more frequencies singapore and Cathay have to/from Australia to their hubs!
For example take a look at singapore to Dubai, emirates 3 daily, singapore one!
Osaka Kansai to Hong Kong, Cathay 4 daily, code share with Japan Airlines, but all Cathay metal, All Nippon one!
London to Dubai, British two, Emirates five, and all A380s!
So on a global basis it is not uncommon for another airline to operate greater frequencies out of another airlines home base!
So yes singapore and Cathay have greater frequencies ex australia to their hubs, and a lot of that traffic is onward transfer to other destinations.
But in other markets they do not provide the greater frequency!
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Prof,
Sorry, I can't stand it ...
You once said that Dixon was a brilliant CEO ... well that turned out well, didn't it ..... .
You don't think QF staff KNOW the CEO is not there for a popularity contest? They want proper management, not what we have .. please stop with your condescending f*&^g attitude. And please stop this banging on about QF wages. It is largely false and REALLY tiresome.
Oh, and QF's troubles wouldn't have anything to do with it being neglected? Keeping the aircraft fleet contemporary (oh that's right, the money was spent on J*) would make QF profitable overnight. (and I won't go into the alleged bill paying)
I think that's about it ....
Sigh ....
N
PS .. oh and as a retired airline manager ... how do you feel about a couple of billion spent on consultants, rather than managing the business yourself. If memory serves I believe that is what the bill comes to over a number of years? Willing to be corrected ...
PPS .. and regarding a CEO being popular. General Patton comes to mind. Not someone the line troops would feel comfortable slapping on the back and buying a beer for, however he was revered because they KNEW he had hard decisions to make and they TRUSTED him to not needlessly throw their lives away. The fact he led from the front on occasion didn't hurt either.
Sorry, I can't stand it ...
You once said that Dixon was a brilliant CEO ... well that turned out well, didn't it ..... .
You don't think QF staff KNOW the CEO is not there for a popularity contest? They want proper management, not what we have .. please stop with your condescending f*&^g attitude. And please stop this banging on about QF wages. It is largely false and REALLY tiresome.
Oh, and QF's troubles wouldn't have anything to do with it being neglected? Keeping the aircraft fleet contemporary (oh that's right, the money was spent on J*) would make QF profitable overnight. (and I won't go into the alleged bill paying)
I think that's about it ....
Sigh ....
N
PS .. oh and as a retired airline manager ... how do you feel about a couple of billion spent on consultants, rather than managing the business yourself. If memory serves I believe that is what the bill comes to over a number of years? Willing to be corrected ...
PPS .. and regarding a CEO being popular. General Patton comes to mind. Not someone the line troops would feel comfortable slapping on the back and buying a beer for, however he was revered because they KNEW he had hard decisions to make and they TRUSTED him to not needlessly throw their lives away. The fact he led from the front on occasion didn't hurt either.
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Frequency is less important than profitability. SQ, CX, EK, QR and a few others manage to operate a Perth route internationally because of their onward connections but QF can't.
Unfortunately Sydney is located in the wrong part of Australia for connectivity with flights from most other cities going in the opposite direction. If Sydney was located around Broome it would be a reasonable connection from other cities for travel into Asia or on to Europe on QF, however being where it is it's too much of a detour when the competition are going more or less in the right direction. PER - SYD - LAX yes, PER - SYD - LHR no way.
QF seem to have followed the wartime strategy of the "Brisbane Line" and abandoned the rest of the country to foreign airlines.
Unfortunately Sydney is located in the wrong part of Australia for connectivity with flights from most other cities going in the opposite direction. If Sydney was located around Broome it would be a reasonable connection from other cities for travel into Asia or on to Europe on QF, however being where it is it's too much of a detour when the competition are going more or less in the right direction. PER - SYD - LAX yes, PER - SYD - LHR no way.
QF seem to have followed the wartime strategy of the "Brisbane Line" and abandoned the rest of the country to foreign airlines.
