Qantas pulling out of Singapore ??
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BNEA320, how many job losses at Qantas, with all the associated misery and dislocation for those involved and their families, would it it take to truly satiate you? 5000, 10000?
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British Airways are going to use their A380s on the LHR - SYD route via Singapore.
British Airways A380s close in on Qantas to London flights | Plane Talking
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The load factors and yields to Singapore especially, and to a lessor extent Bangkok and Hong Kong on QF are extremely appalling at the moment. They need a flight through Asia to Europe otherwise they are clutching at straws. The SYD - NRT flight is performing strongly, even with gas guzzling 747's but there are good onward connections with JAL and Japan is at least a joint people want to visit unlike Singapore. Emirates have cleaned up on this deal...well thats not unexpected I guess..
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http://www.tourism.australia.com/doc...3_SING-Web.pdf
In 2012 there were 343,000 visitors from Singapore to Australia. I think in 2013 it grew another 10%, so 377,000
SIA had a 50% marketshare of Singaporeans (note this only refers to Singaporeans travelling from Singapore to Australia, not other nationalities ) to Australia (despite the outrageous fares ex SIN). QF had 16% and Scoot 14%.
In 2008, SIA had a 64% marketshare and Qantas 24%. In 2012, SIA had 50%, Qantas 16% and Scoot 14%. And this is before QF cut capacity to SIN.
I would be very interested in what the 2013 Tourism Australia report on Singaporean visitors shows. (Another interesting note: Without Scoot, SIA had a 64% market share. With Scoot, SIA has 50% and Scoot 14%. Does this mean that SIA's pax just defected to the lower yielding Scoot, and would have flown SQ if Scoot didn't exist?)
In 2013, about 1 million Australians visited Singapore (that is, they cleared immigration) So daily O&D demand between Singapore and Australia is around 3700. It's not exactly insignificant, enough to fill 13 fully loaded A330s.
In 2012 there were 343,000 visitors from Singapore to Australia. I think in 2013 it grew another 10%, so 377,000
SIA had a 50% marketshare of Singaporeans (note this only refers to Singaporeans travelling from Singapore to Australia, not other nationalities ) to Australia (despite the outrageous fares ex SIN). QF had 16% and Scoot 14%.
In 2008, SIA had a 64% marketshare and Qantas 24%. In 2012, SIA had 50%, Qantas 16% and Scoot 14%. And this is before QF cut capacity to SIN.
I would be very interested in what the 2013 Tourism Australia report on Singaporean visitors shows. (Another interesting note: Without Scoot, SIA had a 64% market share. With Scoot, SIA has 50% and Scoot 14%. Does this mean that SIA's pax just defected to the lower yielding Scoot, and would have flown SQ if Scoot didn't exist?)
In 2013, about 1 million Australians visited Singapore (that is, they cleared immigration) So daily O&D demand between Singapore and Australia is around 3700. It's not exactly insignificant, enough to fill 13 fully loaded A330s.
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Well I can tell you one thing. Ex SIN to anywhere in Oz on EK is always nearly full. I'm not going to say its full all the time, but the load factors are constantly high.
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and Japan is at least a joint people want to visit unlike Singapore
I suspect that is a personal opinion rather than a statement of fact! The two hour drive from the airport to Tokyo, for example, would put me off, apart from which the traffic figures from Australia to Singapore don't support your argument, A of A.
I know it won't ever happen, but why can't Qantas just have 1 flight to London via Dubai and 1 flight via Singapore
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Where is a will, there is a way. If QF would be serious to get out of the EK commercial agreement they would find a way to do it. OK there are certainly penalties to do so but I cannot see any alternative as the current sitatuation costs QF a lot of business. I mentioned here before that I do no longer book QF (nor EK) to Europe as I prefer to stop over in Singapore. And I am not the only one.
By the way, Web Jet advertises today Emirates flights to Europe from $ 1,770 return cattle class. No mentioning of the faithfull partner Qantas. What
deal did AJ sign here?
By the way, Web Jet advertises today Emirates flights to Europe from $ 1,770 return cattle class. No mentioning of the faithfull partner Qantas. What
deal did AJ sign here?
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While 27 Feb's announcement will be interesting (perhaps in many directions) perhaps someone at QF is actually thinking. In this I refer to the earlier departure from PER of the QF flight to SIN. Makes connections to the remainder of SE Asia a little more convenient. Why there is a 3K flight departing at almost the same time (OTOH) makes me wonder about the marketing team.
The real issue is that QF/3K connections are not transparent. Not that flying 3K thrills me.
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The real issue is that QF/3K connections are not transparent. Not that flying 3K thrills me.
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Qantas' Destiny
If Qantas survives the criminal stupidity of the Green Fairy it will likely morph into a small regional carrier servicing secondary airports in Asia.The US will disappear into the EK network while South Africa head the same way
If QF can't succeed on the Australia - South Africa route, then it probably can't succeed anywhere. Given the large numbers of emigrants from SA now living in Australia, the lack of competition from hub based airlines who can offer reasonable flight times and the weak competitor in South African Airways, they should be cleaning up on this route.
Just did the Singapore Brisbane business class last night, pretty full flight, 747-400 flown by 2 captains. Was a great service, cabin service manager was energetic, recalled everyone's name on the top deck. Good seats/beds. I think the lounge in Singapore is excellent too. (Someone commented earlier it looks like a bar in Gosford 
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It is hard to believe that with such great people, and with Australians generally with all other things being equal,preference to fly QANTAS that the airline could be going backward so fast.
Maybe naive but i think a good manager could turn it around fast. First obviously restore routes to UK and codeshare on to Euroope via Asia as a top priority. I like most others i know wont fly via Dubai. Then market it as the safe and reliable option flown by Australians, not necessarily the very cheapest. Once there is demand, everything else takes care of itself.
Anyway congrats to all those working hard at Qantas like the people last night. Hope the right management comes soon.
)It is hard to believe that with such great people, and with Australians generally with all other things being equal,preference to fly QANTAS that the airline could be going backward so fast.
Maybe naive but i think a good manager could turn it around fast. First obviously restore routes to UK and codeshare on to Euroope via Asia as a top priority. I like most others i know wont fly via Dubai. Then market it as the safe and reliable option flown by Australians, not necessarily the very cheapest. Once there is demand, everything else takes care of itself.
Anyway congrats to all those working hard at Qantas like the people last night. Hope the right management comes soon.