Qantas pulling out of Singapore ??
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Qantas pulling out of Singapore ??
I assume this post will be met with derision but I think there is a chance that some big qantas routes such as australian capital cities to singapore could be cut this year . What do you folks think ?
The logical response to this is "How will we know??" They have cut it back already from places such as PER and ADL and are down to one flight a day from MEL (excluding JQ) and BNE. SQ are cleaning up and have increased frequencies across the board.
CAPA had an interesting article on this last week and it basically concluded that SIN is a dead-duck for QF because they offer so few onward connections. This is an interesting outcome given 2 years ago AJ was proclaiming RedQ was probably going to use SIN as its Asian gateway.
I'll wait until 27/2 but at the moment it seems QF's Asian strategy is a shambles.
CAPA had an interesting article on this last week and it basically concluded that SIN is a dead-duck for QF because they offer so few onward connections. This is an interesting outcome given 2 years ago AJ was proclaiming RedQ was probably going to use SIN as its Asian gateway.
I'll wait until 27/2 but at the moment it seems QF's Asian strategy is a shambles.
The logical thing to do would be to run one A380 SYD-DXB-LHR and the other MEL-SIN-LHR (or vice versa).
If you want to get from any capital city to London (barring ADL/DRW) then you can do it all the way on QF metal.
If you're in SYD and want to go somewhere else in Europe you jump on an EK jet in DXB.
Opens up countless more options and will increase loads on SIN-bound flights from MEL/BNE/PER and give people the option of the more popular stop-off in Singapore.
So logical in fact, that it'll never happen!
If you want to get from any capital city to London (barring ADL/DRW) then you can do it all the way on QF metal.
If you're in SYD and want to go somewhere else in Europe you jump on an EK jet in DXB.
Opens up countless more options and will increase loads on SIN-bound flights from MEL/BNE/PER and give people the option of the more popular stop-off in Singapore.
So logical in fact, that it'll never happen!
Also I'm pretty sure their "Codeshare" agreement excludes them from travelling from Singapore to Europe anymore, they now have to go via Dubai from what I've read, Kind of ties their hands a bit...
Would Hong Kong be at risk for the chop as well ? Cathay have all the onward connections for Asia and Europe. Code share would be possible but then why not just fly the whole way on CX.
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Actually thought RedQ was the right strategy - it would have given the very needed connections that QF needs out of SIN, but obviously the SQ/Sin Govt didn't like the potential impacts.
Still would be interesting to see what the reaction would be to a 3K sub-fleet with business seats and IFE, operating under a different brand but still operated by Jetstar Asia, but with codeshares to Qantas and now Emirates, and indeed the rest of oneworld.
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Can't see HKG being on the chop, the VS withdrawal should help yield.
More likely chops would be CGK (where Garuda smashes QF on price and frequency and indeed the seats in J), HNL given the JQ competition, JNB subject to ACCC decisions
As for a CX codeshare - QF has been open that they have talked to CX, SQ and MH among others about Asia - problem is QF brings not much to the table. Why would CX provide QF codeshares on all its flights out of HKG when it can just say no and get the pax to book on CX metal
Still would be interesting to see what the reaction would be to a 3K sub-fleet with business seats and IFE, operating under a different brand but still operated by Jetstar Asia, but with codeshares to Qantas and now Emirates, and indeed the rest of oneworld.
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Can't see HKG being on the chop, the VS withdrawal should help yield.
More likely chops would be CGK (where Garuda smashes QF on price and frequency and indeed the seats in J), HNL given the JQ competition, JNB subject to ACCC decisions
As for a CX codeshare - QF has been open that they have talked to CX, SQ and MH among others about Asia - problem is QF brings not much to the table. Why would CX provide QF codeshares on all its flights out of HKG when it can just say no and get the pax to book on CX metal
Sorry Bmam7, maybe I didn't explain that clearly, I meant the current Codeshare that Qantas has with Emirates I am pretty sure requires them to have all flights going to LHR to transit through Dubai and no longer Singapore through Singapore.
I thought that this was supposed to be the Asian century? Isn't that what we hear from the business press and from such visionaries as A. Joyce?
Seriously though, both Singapore and HK should support enough O & D traffic in their own rights. The days of the long two sector flight may be over for airlines that do not enjoy crossroads geography. But I don't think that spells a complete capitulation on any of these nearby Asian hub cities.
That said, the completion of the SIN lounge is indeed a worrisome sign.
Oh...as far as RedQ goes: name one narrowbody (or widebody, for that matter) premium airline experiment that is still flying. RedQ was never the answer. That question was answered years ago by the Gulfstream V
Seriously though, both Singapore and HK should support enough O & D traffic in their own rights. The days of the long two sector flight may be over for airlines that do not enjoy crossroads geography. But I don't think that spells a complete capitulation on any of these nearby Asian hub cities.
That said, the completion of the SIN lounge is indeed a worrisome sign.
Oh...as far as RedQ goes: name one narrowbody (or widebody, for that matter) premium airline experiment that is still flying. RedQ was never the answer. That question was answered years ago by the Gulfstream V
Flew BNE-SIN-BNE last week J class. Full both ways in the front and back. The new QF lounge is more like a cheap bar in a Gosford pub full of bogans with loud voices, singlets and bad manners. Obviously QF doesn't mind this standard...
It was Emirates and Finnair codeshare..
It was Emirates and Finnair codeshare..
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Thanks for the clarification. You are, I think, quite correct with regards to LHR. I imagine the AY codeshare is because EK don't fly there (yet) and it would mean a 3 hop journey via DXB/LHR or various other European cities served by EK. The EK booking website gives the last leg on Flybe, e.g. FRA/HEL, ZRH/HEL etc.
Thanks for the clarification. You are, I think, quite correct with regards to LHR. I imagine the AY codeshare is because EK don't fly there (yet) and it would mean a 3 hop journey via DXB/LHR or various other European cities served by EK. The EK booking website gives the last leg on Flybe, e.g. FRA/HEL, ZRH/HEL etc.
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I would not be surprised. If it happens Jakarta and Bangkok will follow and that's the end of QF as a carrier to South East Asia. Because there is no QF flight to Continental Europe via Singapore or Bangkok I have booke this year with Singapore Airlines. One carrier all the way and no stop in the sand pit. To me it is very obvious why QF Internatinal is bleeding.
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I thought that this was supposed to be the Asian century?
(I did one of the first MEL-DXB-LHR QF flights on the 3 April and later a return, never again. The menu is crap, DXB is not a nice transit airport when transit time is short, i.e. same aircraft, refuel and crew change etc. The 60kms free transport each end is a big plus but I'll be going by Singapore in future)
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IM a GA pilot, DAME and an enthusiastic aviation consumer.
As a previous fairly regular Qantas customer to Europe 1-3 times a year for 25 years, my feedback would be that Singapore is really the only Asian City the dear wife will put up with. A distant second choice is Bangkok .
Obviously there is no real discussion about matters of taste, but if a safe clean peaceful rest on the way over is what you want, we have to take the second leg via Singapore Airlines .
We don't (never will) do the Middle East. Period. ( again, a matter of consumer taste).
So thats what we do - Qantas to Singapore, then Singapore Airlines to LHR.
As a previous fairly regular Qantas customer to Europe 1-3 times a year for 25 years, my feedback would be that Singapore is really the only Asian City the dear wife will put up with. A distant second choice is Bangkok .
Obviously there is no real discussion about matters of taste, but if a safe clean peaceful rest on the way over is what you want, we have to take the second leg via Singapore Airlines .
We don't (never will) do the Middle East. Period. ( again, a matter of consumer taste).
So thats what we do - Qantas to Singapore, then Singapore Airlines to LHR.
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Think its a matter of public record that over years QF has had discussions with SQ, MH, CX about things from mergers to codeshares etc but never been able to come to an arrangement.
On the codeshare front, SQ is much like CX... They don't really need Australian connections as they fly into every major port, and why help QF out by giving them a codeshare out of SIN/HKG, when you can just say no and funnel more traffic onto your own metal.
Think its a matter of public record that over years QF has had discussions with SQ, MH, CX about things from mergers to codeshares etc but never been able to come to an arrangement.
On the codeshare front, SQ is much like CX... They don't really need Australian connections as they fly into every major port, and why help QF out by giving them a codeshare out of SIN/HKG, when you can just say no and funnel more traffic onto your own metal.
Think its a matter of public record that over years QF has had discussions with SQ, MH, CX about things from mergers to codeshares etc but never been able to come to an arrangement
It seems QF have gone completely the other way with EK and become amazingly submissive. If, as is rumoured, part of the deal was QF can never operate into Europe via Asia then QF have given up a huge market for nothing in return. Their submissiveness has not been rewarded by EK though who are happily increasing capacity into Australia with much of the growth being at the expense of QF rather than the Asian carriers.