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The way we were - Ansett, TAA, Qantas

Old 5th Mar 2018, 09:05
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Yep, TJL Coral Islander. TBK Central Australian.
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Old 5th Mar 2018, 11:58
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Around the early 00s, Flying along, my Capt and I were reminiscing about the F27. Me as a kid riding my bike out to the airport to watch the morning flight come in and depart on my way to school and he as an FO, and later a Capt with TAA on it. Here's a couple of the tales he told me.

The first, was a departure out of ISA on a hot day going back to TSV via all the ports. The Dispatcher hands them the loadsheet and says "The Fokkers chocker ocker".

The other that springs to mind was a run down the coast from CNS. 2 blokes get on with a couple of mud crabs each in a box and asks one of the hosties if she could keep them cool in the galley. "No problems" she says and stores the box in the galley and off they go. Later in the flight she can't remember who's crabs they were, so she makes a PA announcement: "Would the gentlemen who gave me the crabs in Cairns please make yourself known by pressing the call bell above your head"

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Old 5th Mar 2018, 16:12
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Guess what ? ... exactly the same tales in AN except that the fokker's chokka was most places and the crabs were noted to be flying coastal in Tasmania.
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Old 5th Mar 2018, 17:22
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I pretty much guessed it was one of those insert airline here stories. Fun nonetheless.

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Old 8th Dec 2020, 10:32
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Just read this enjoyable thread from the start.
About ground staff saluting... at TN Lae for each DC6B departure the traffic/cargo staff handling the aircraft used to line up abeam of the cockpit. The Traffic Officer, with hat on, handling the docs used to salute the aircraft when it started to taxi.


Similar scene on Nauru in the 1980's when the President of Nauru Hammer De Roburt was about to depart (or arrive) Nauru for one of his many flights on Air Nauru. The Heads of the various Public Service appointments would be all lined up on the hot tarmac wearing their ties waiting for the President to arrive in his Bentley limousine. He was rarely on time so they had to sweat it out. As the aircraft taxied for takeoff everyone would wave and stand in line until the aircraft departed. Ties would then be removed and it would be back to work.

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Old 8th Dec 2020, 11:59
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TAA T Jets With Colour Themes

To set the record straight VH-TBK B727 was painted in Ayrs Rock on it (The Central Australian) and VH-TJL DC9-30 series was painted with a Barrier Reef theme (Coral Ilsander)
I too saw the DC9 parked in Sydney with genitals painted on the couple that were painted on the tail fin holding hands. Was a great source of amusement for all until head office found out.
What was somewhat politically incorrect was when TBK turned up with a Dingo painted on the top of Ayrs Rock on the side of the fuselarge during the Lindy Chamberlain proceedings.
Just as well TBK was parked at an aerobridge but still again it was somewhat amusing to most.
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Old 8th Dec 2020, 23:49
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Their was meant to be a 3rd and 4th colour scheme. The 3rd scheme was going to be called the Goldcoaster. pictured.
For the past 5 years or so, I wish Qantas would put the rumour to fruition of painting the 4 schemes on the B717s.
Since QF love retro schemes why not paint up a 717 into the original TAA delivery colours (blue T) then another in
(blue cheatline white T) and a orange/blue Trans Australia. Plus a 737 deserves a Australian Airlines scheme.
Not asking for much. Aviation needs a splash of colour.
After all QF own the rights to all that material.

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Old 9th Dec 2020, 22:13
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Speaking of the "Way WE Were" there was a little deja vu when I went to book tickets to Melbourne to Perth last week. Cheapest QF was $1400 (plus,plus) Return and the "low cost carrier"
Jetstar was $1299 Return (return was on the red-eye!). Yep, the way we were alright when there was the duopoly of the Two Airline policy!

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Old 9th Dec 2020, 22:27
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Originally Posted by 3 Holer View Post
Speaking of the "Way WE Were" there was a little deja vu when I went to book tickets to Melbourne to Perth last week. Cheapest QF was $1400 (plus,plus) Return and the "low cost carrier"
Jetstar was $1299 Return (return was on the red-eye!). Yep, the way we were alright when there was the duopoly of the Two Airline policy!

Don't EVER underestimate the power of competition!!!!
Blame the WA Premier for that. You canít expect the airlines to be able to get flights into their schedule at a drop of a hat. Crew need to be trained, baggage handlers/catering/front of house staff need to be stood back up and the aircraft may need to come out of storage to complete these flights before they can be added to the schedule. Remember all airlines prices go up as availability goes down. They had no warning to the border opening.

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Old 10th Dec 2020, 14:36
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The Golden Era

For me the golden era was the 1960's and 1970's Even though the two airline policy existed both TAA, EWA, Ansett and Air New South Wales worked together to provide the best customer service. Ansett, TAA and Qantas had their own catering sections, ground staff, engineers etc. TAA and Ansett had a spare parts pool(having pretty much identical aircraft due to the Two Airline policy. Where the domestic staff seemed to work together and also socialised together outside work hours, to me, there appeared to be a different culture in QF as it was purely longhaul. There certainly were some characters in the domestic carriers and compared to today we were often politically incorrect but it was all in good fun.
Even thought the Viscount presented challenges to both pilots and the engineering staff. As a passenger it was delight to fly in even though I was young. But as Rudy Camillo once told me 'its was a terrible way to put perfect four rolls royce darts into the air.'
If a TAA aircraft went u/s then Ansett staff would try and accomodate passengers on the next available flight and vice versa. Same with mishandled baggage.
Learnt so much from the crew operating prior the the 1989 pilots dispute. Such a waste of talent and hand flying skills that had been passed on from the old timers who had gone onto RPT ops after WW11 and leant from their experiences.
For me it was a time when all staff took pride in their expertise.


























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Old 10th Dec 2020, 21:04
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For me it was a time when all staff took pride in their expertise.
Importantly, and in stark contrast to today, so did the company.
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Old 10th Dec 2020, 22:51
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Originally Posted by Turnleft080 View Post

Their was meant to be a 3rd and 4th colour scheme. The 3rd scheme was going to be called the Goldcoaster. pictured.
For the past 5 years or so, I wish Qantas would put the rumour to fruition of painting the 4 schemes on the B717s.
Since QF love retro schemes why not paint up a 717 into the original TAA delivery colours (blue T) then another in
(blue cheatline white T) and a orange/blue Trans Australia. Plus a 737 deserves a Australian Airlines scheme.
Not asking for much. Aviation needs a splash of colour.
After all QF own the rights to all that material.
Now youíre talking! If anything, Aussies are nostalgic (even though I am a Kiwi and now honorary Aussie). It would be great to see some of that draft livery or even some old used livery replicated on some of QFís fleet. The 717 would be perfect. Itís a concept that probably somebody like Strong James would have considered had he been QF CEO today, but unfortunately the wee Irishman would have a meltdown at the mere thought of those extra thousands of dollars.

My memories of DC 9ís, 727ís and DC 10ís will always be joyful.



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Old 28th Feb 2021, 23:16
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I miss Skywest (a big hello to all former Skywest emoyees) and flying on the F50 aircraft to CVQ. Getting served nice hot food and Dome coffee....great times. Flight time was around 1hr and 50mins to 2hrs. The CVQ ground crew were good (and still are).

I even remember flying with Ansett WA on the BAe 146 and F28 to CVQ as well. CVQ hasn't had jet operations since the early 1990s.

But yeah I still miss Ansett, still the best airline I've flown with.

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Originally Posted by Paragraph377 View Post
It would be great to see some of that draft livery or even some old used livery replicated on some of QFís fleet. The 717 would be perfect. Itís a concept that probably somebody like Strong James would have considered had he been QF CEO today, but unfortunately the wee Irishman would have a meltdown at the mere thought of those extra thousands of dollars.
Just stick a rainbow in the background and Alan will give you a blank cheque
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Old 6th Mar 2021, 00:44
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Airfares aside, what I miss was the fantastic experience flying domestically was, a real pleasure. Today flying is to be avoided at all costs if possible, the horror starts in the car park and just gets worse from there.
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Airfares aside, what I miss was the fantastic experience flying domestically was, a real pleasure. Today flying is to be avoided at all costs if possible, the horror starts in the car park and just gets worse from there.
I remember my old folks went out and purchased an outfit just for the flight. It was a formal occasion.

Some rock up these days practically naked. The stuff that I have seen of late walking through the the forward door...there are no words.
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Originally Posted by Paragraph377 View Post
Now youíre talking! If anything, Aussies are nostalgic (even though I am a Kiwi and now honorary Aussie). It would be great to see some of that draft livery or even some old used livery replicated on some of QFís fleet. The 717 would be perfect. Itís a concept that probably somebody like Strong James would have considered had he been QF CEO today, but unfortunately the wee Irishman would have a meltdown at the mere thought of those extra thousands of dollars.

My memories of DC 9ís, 727ís and DC 10ís will always be joyful.
I'm not sure which aircraft it was but one of the vortex generators on one side of the vertical stab was situated on an interesting position in the male's anatomy.
As for interesting liveries don't forget the Impulse cocky.
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Old 7th Mar 2021, 12:32
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Back in the early 1950's Ansett and TAA had DC3's. At Townsville the main runway was 02 /20 which in those days ran close to the RAAF control tower and the hangars of the Lincoln squadron. Later, that runway became a taxi way and a new runway to the west of the old runway came into being.

TAA had a crazy SOP of three point landings (the chief pilot was ex wartime RAAF). Ansett did tail high wheelers. Whenever TAA were coming in the RAAF tower controller would alert the airmen working on the tarmac who would down tools to watch the TAA DC3 try for a three pointer. Invariably the landing would result in a series of tyre screeching swerves because the DC3 was not the sort of aircraft you three point unless you were quick on your feet. The troops on the tarmac would cheer at each swerve.

. The Ansett pilots would grease the tail high wheeler time and again with no drama while the troops hardly bothered looking. Eventually there must have been a new chief pilot because TAA changed to tail high wheelers to emulate Ansett and no one bothered watching anymore. This is not an old wives tale. I was there and watched the daily drama. I knew from experience the folly of trying to do three point landings in RAAF Dakotas unless you had ballast in the tail compartment.
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WHEN MEN WERE MEN AND 707's ROAMED THE EARTH



In the Age of the 'water wagon' 707's...

That jetís smoke was from the 1,700 pounds of water injection the J-57s and freighter JT-3's used for takeoff. (Go to the overrun and suck the gear up). Those were the good ole days! Pilots back then were men that didn't want to be women or girly men.



Pilots all knew who Jimmy Doolittle was. Pilots drank coffee, whiskey, smoked cigars, and didn't wear digital watches. They carried their own suitcases and brain bags, like the real men they were. Pilots didn't bend over into the crash position multiple times each day in front of the passengers at security so that some no-class government agent could probe for tweezers or fingernail clippers, or too much toothpaste.



Pilots did not go through the terminal impersonating a caddy pulling a bunch of golf clubs, computers, guitars, and feed bags full of tofu and granola on a sissy-trailer. Wearing no hat and having granny glasses hanging on a pink string around their pencil necks, while talking to their personal trainer on the cell phone!!!



Being a Captain was as good as being the King in any movie. In my youth, all the Stewardesses were young, attractive, single women that were proud to be combatants in the sexual revolution. They didn't have to turn sideways, grease up, and suck it in to get through the cockpit door. They would blush, and say thank you, when told that they looked good, instead of filing a sexual harassment claim.



The Junior Stewardesses usually shared a room and talked about men .... with no thoughts of substitution. Passengers wore nice clothes and were polite; they could speak, read, AND understand English. They didn't speak gibberish or listen to loud gangsta rap on their IPods. They bathed, and didn't smell like a rotting pile of garbage - in a jogging suit and flip-flops.



Children did not travel alone, commuting between trailer parks. There were no 'Biggest Losers' asking for a seatbelt extension or a Scotch and grapefruit juice cocktail with a twist.



If the Captain decided to throw some offensive, ranting jerk off the airplane, it was done without any worries of a lawsuit or getting fired. Axial flow engines crackled with the sound of freedom and left an impressive black smoke trail like a locomotive burning soft coal. Jet fuel was cheap and once the throttles were pushed forward, they were often left there. After all, it was the jet age and the idea was to go fast (run like a lizard on a hardwood floor).



Except while flying over the deep oceans, "economy cruise" was something in the performance book, but no one knew why or where it was. When the over-speed clacker went off, no one got all tight and scared, because Boeing built their machines out of iron. Nothing was going to fall off and that barber pole sound had the same effect on real pilots then, as Viagra does now for today's new age guys.



There was very little plastic and no composites on the airplanes. Airplanes and women had eye-pleasing symmetrical curves, not a bunch of ugly vortex generators, ventral fins, winglets, flow diverters, tattoos, rings in their nose, tongues, and eyebrows.



Airlines were run by men like C.R. Smith, Juan Trippe, Capt. Eddie, Ted Baker, and Bob Six, who had built their companies virtually from scratch, knew most of their employees by name, and were lifetime airline employees themselves. not pseudo financiers and bean counters who flit from one occupation to another for a few bucks, a better parachute, or a fancier title, while fervently believing that they are a class of beings unto themselves.



And so it was back in the 60's when I was a young airline pilot... and like my youth, it never will be again! Ė Too Bad!


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