Qantas now operating A320's
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Qantas now operating A320's
So it seems.
On the Airbus website the following spreadsheet can be downloaded.
http://www.airbus.com/fileadmin/back...Deliveries.xls
On the Orders tab QF can be seen to have ordered 179 A320's delivered 66 and operate 5 of them.
Operate 5 A320's... QF?
Perhaps the answer is on the 2013 deliveries tab. When an aircraft is delivered the airline and if necessary the subsidiary is named. Qantas (Jetstar Australia) (JQAsia) (JQ Japan) etc. JQ HK has no aircraft allocated.
From October 2013 on there are four A320s that go just to Qantas. Pictures have already been taken of JQ aircraft in storage in TLS, anecdotally there are at least 7 of them, possibly more.
As QF already owns 16 A320's and leases them to JQ, is it a stretch to believe that QF has bought these aircraft outright?
Questions:
Who paid for them?
Where is the cost allocated?
Who is paying the storage costs?
How many more are on the way to a similar fate?
With 179 A320's ordered with 108 still to come, and 14 787's coming to Jetstar, is it any wonder that mainline is being starved of capital for replacement aircraft?
On the Airbus website the following spreadsheet can be downloaded.
http://www.airbus.com/fileadmin/back...Deliveries.xls
On the Orders tab QF can be seen to have ordered 179 A320's delivered 66 and operate 5 of them.
Operate 5 A320's... QF?
Perhaps the answer is on the 2013 deliveries tab. When an aircraft is delivered the airline and if necessary the subsidiary is named. Qantas (Jetstar Australia) (JQAsia) (JQ Japan) etc. JQ HK has no aircraft allocated.
From October 2013 on there are four A320s that go just to Qantas. Pictures have already been taken of JQ aircraft in storage in TLS, anecdotally there are at least 7 of them, possibly more.
As QF already owns 16 A320's and leases them to JQ, is it a stretch to believe that QF has bought these aircraft outright?
Questions:
Who paid for them?
Where is the cost allocated?
Who is paying the storage costs?
How many more are on the way to a similar fate?
With 179 A320's ordered with 108 still to come, and 14 787's coming to Jetstar, is it any wonder that mainline is being starved of capital for replacement aircraft?
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JQ HK A320s stored in TLS mid-december.
5685 F-WXAB (B-KJB) Jetstar Hong Kong
5725 F-WXAC (B-KJC) Jetstar Hong Kong
5738 F-WXAD (B-KJD) Jetstar Hong Kong
5835 F-WWIF (B-KJE) Jetstar Hong Kong
5850 F-WWBP (B-KJF) Jetstar Hong Kong
B-KJA was delivered to Jetstar as VH-VFT.
B-KJG was delivered to Jetstar as VH-XHI
B-KJH delivered to Jetstar as VH-XHK
5685 F-WXAB (B-KJB) Jetstar Hong Kong
5725 F-WXAC (B-KJC) Jetstar Hong Kong
5738 F-WXAD (B-KJD) Jetstar Hong Kong
5835 F-WWIF (B-KJE) Jetstar Hong Kong
5850 F-WWBP (B-KJF) Jetstar Hong Kong
B-KJA was delivered to Jetstar as VH-VFT.
B-KJG was delivered to Jetstar as VH-XHI
B-KJH delivered to Jetstar as VH-XHK
short flights long nights
And would I be right in saying, you can't simply 'store' an aircraft? By that, I mean, you can't just shut the doors, put it under a tree and say see you later. There must be some upkeep involved I am sure. Who is paying for that?
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Is VH-VFT actually the aircraft referred to in this post? In which case make it six.
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VH-XFK... photo posted 3 days ago.
Photos: Airbus A320-232 Aircraft Pictures | Airliners.net
Make that 7.
Photos: Airbus A320-232 Aircraft Pictures | Airliners.net
Make that 7.
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Neither VH-VFT nor VH-XFK return any photo hits on any planespotter websites.
6 confirmed, 2 probables. USD 700 million sitting around tarmacs somewhere.
6 confirmed, 2 probables. USD 700 million sitting around tarmacs somewhere.
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As can be viewed on the CASA register of aircraft, some Jetstar A320's are owned by Qantas, some are owned by leasing companies.
My guess is, Jetstar(Qantas) is choosing to end leasing arrangements with some of their A320's and replace them with brand new Jetstar HongKong, Qantas owned, A320's. That's where the 'flexibility' comes into play. It's more then likely not what they wanted to do but it is an easy option for them to take.
Jetstar HongKong(failure), Japan(failure), Vietnam(failure) and Asia's(barely break even) investment in their 40-50 airframes would more then pay for the Qantas airframes that have been deferred/cancelled/retired and not replaced, and more then make up the 1/6th of group revenue that the spin doctors say Jetstar franchises produce.
My guess is, Jetstar(Qantas) is choosing to end leasing arrangements with some of their A320's and replace them with brand new Jetstar HongKong, Qantas owned, A320's. That's where the 'flexibility' comes into play. It's more then likely not what they wanted to do but it is an easy option for them to take.
Jetstar HongKong(failure), Japan(failure), Vietnam(failure) and Asia's(barely break even) investment in their 40-50 airframes would more then pay for the Qantas airframes that have been deferred/cancelled/retired and not replaced, and more then make up the 1/6th of group revenue that the spin doctors say Jetstar franchises produce.
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Interesting because Jetstar Pacific is finally showing signs of being a success. It has made a profit in 2013.
Some press from today:
"In 2013, Jetstar Pacific served 2 million passengers with the aircraft use efficiency up by 37 percent and the seat occupancy rate of over 90 percent, the ideal rates for any airlines in the world. Jetstar Pacific plans to receive five more aircraft in 2014, by that time it would have 11 aircraft to be in service."
Interesting because Jetstar Pacific is finally showing signs of being a success. It has made a profit in 2013.
Some press from today:
"In 2013, Jetstar Pacific served 2 million passengers with the aircraft use efficiency up by 37 percent and the seat occupancy rate of over 90 percent, the ideal rates for any airlines in the world. Jetstar Pacific plans to receive five more aircraft in 2014, by that time it would have 11 aircraft to be in service."
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"Vietnam(failure)"
Interesting because Jetstar Pacific is finally showing signs of being a success. It has made a profit in 2013.
Some press from today:
"In 2013, Jetstar Pacific served 2 million passengers with the aircraft use efficiency up by 37 percent and the seat occupancy rate of over 90 percent, the ideal rates for any airlines in the world. Jetstar Pacific plans to receive five more aircraft in 2014, by that time it would have 11 aircraft to be in service."
Another Amazing business strategy unravelling???
Australian airline Qantas was in talks with the State Capital Investment Corporation (SCIC), who was then managing the government's stake in Pacific Airlines, about a possible investment in the carrier.[20][21] Three months later, Qantas agreed on a minority stake in Pacific as part of its plan to expand its low-cost operations through Jetstar in Southeast Asia. The deal was finalised in July when Qantas acquired an 18% stake for US$30 million, with provisions to eventually increase the stake to 30%; SCIC held the majority of the remaining shares. The deal would see the carrier, now restructured into a low-cost airline, launch flights to the surrounding countries, and possibly southern Europe, with a fleet of 30 Airbus A320s by 2014; it would be renamed Jetstar Pacific Airlines in May 2008.[22][23][24][25]
As a low-cost carrier, JPA commenced flights to Nha Trang and Da Nang.[26] Due to high fuel costs, Nha Trang was suspended, and the airline lost $22 million during the first ten months of 2008. Passenger service launches to Bangkok and Siem Reap were deferred, and SCIC stated the airline would need US$35 million to operate in 2009.[27][28]
Jetstar Pacific embarked on its fleet modernisation plan in 2009, as it replaced several Boeing 737-400s with leased A320s. It made its first profit (US$1.1 million) in July that year after long periods of losses. The airline expanded its domestic market share as it transported more than 1.5 million passengers in the first half of 2009.[29][30] Despite these developments, the airline encountered branding issues when the CAAV in October decreed that it must replace its Jetstar brand and logo with a new identity; the CAAV cited possible consumer confusion with Jetstar Airways and that a foreign airline could potentially exploit the Jetstar Pacific's branding to advertise it products. Later that year, CEO Luong Hoai Nam suddenly quit the airline having served since 2004.[29][30][31]
In January 2010, clarifications about Nam surfaced when Vietnamese authorities reportedly detained the former CEO and prevented COO Daniela Masilli and CFO Tristan Freeman from leaving the country. This was part of an investigation into fuel hedging losses, which reportedly had cost the airline US$31 million.[32][33][34] Qantas responded to the complication by replacing the two administrators.[35] Due to the investigation into fuel-hedging allegations, growth plans at the airline were stalled.[36]
Funding issues persisted through 2011. In addition to the fuel price fluctuations, compounded by the government-sanctioned fare cap, JPA had to address lease and maintenance fees for its aircraft.[37] During the year, reports indicated that VAC would re-assume control of the carrier; according to Saigon Tiep Thi, the SCIC would transfer 70% of its shares to Vietnam Airlines. However, the Jetstar Group denied such speculation.[38][39] On 16 January 2012, the Vietnamese government confirmed the allegations by Saigon Tiep Thi by decreeing a transfer of SCIC shares to Vietnam Airlines, which took place in February.[40][41] The transfer brought forward plans by Vietnam Airlines to have its own LCC by 2014.[36] As part of its current expansion plan, it is intended that Jetstar Pacific will have up to 15 Airbus A320s by the end of 2015.[1]
"Vietnam(failure)"
Interesting because Jetstar Pacific is finally showing signs of being a success. It has made a profit in 2013.
Some press from today:
"In 2013, Jetstar Pacific served 2 million passengers with the aircraft use efficiency up by 37 percent and the seat occupancy rate of over 90 percent, the ideal rates for any airlines in the world. Jetstar Pacific plans to receive five more aircraft in 2014, by that time it would have 11 aircraft to be in service."
Another Amazing business strategy unravelling???
Australian airline Qantas was in talks with the State Capital Investment Corporation (SCIC), who was then managing the government's stake in Pacific Airlines, about a possible investment in the carrier.[20][21] Three months later, Qantas agreed on a minority stake in Pacific as part of its plan to expand its low-cost operations through Jetstar in Southeast Asia. The deal was finalised in July when Qantas acquired an 18% stake for US$30 million, with provisions to eventually increase the stake to 30%; SCIC held the majority of the remaining shares. The deal would see the carrier, now restructured into a low-cost airline, launch flights to the surrounding countries, and possibly southern Europe, with a fleet of 30 Airbus A320s by 2014; it would be renamed Jetstar Pacific Airlines in May 2008.[22][23][24][25]
As a low-cost carrier, JPA commenced flights to Nha Trang and Da Nang.[26] Due to high fuel costs, Nha Trang was suspended, and the airline lost $22 million during the first ten months of 2008. Passenger service launches to Bangkok and Siem Reap were deferred, and SCIC stated the airline would need US$35 million to operate in 2009.[27][28]
Jetstar Pacific embarked on its fleet modernisation plan in 2009, as it replaced several Boeing 737-400s with leased A320s. It made its first profit (US$1.1 million) in July that year after long periods of losses. The airline expanded its domestic market share as it transported more than 1.5 million passengers in the first half of 2009.[29][30] Despite these developments, the airline encountered branding issues when the CAAV in October decreed that it must replace its Jetstar brand and logo with a new identity; the CAAV cited possible consumer confusion with Jetstar Airways and that a foreign airline could potentially exploit the Jetstar Pacific's branding to advertise it products. Later that year, CEO Luong Hoai Nam suddenly quit the airline having served since 2004.[29][30][31]
In January 2010, clarifications about Nam surfaced when Vietnamese authorities reportedly detained the former CEO and prevented COO Daniela Masilli and CFO Tristan Freeman from leaving the country. This was part of an investigation into fuel hedging losses, which reportedly had cost the airline US$31 million.[32][33][34] Qantas responded to the complication by replacing the two administrators.[35] Due to the investigation into fuel-hedging allegations, growth plans at the airline were stalled.[36]
Funding issues persisted through 2011. In addition to the fuel price fluctuations, compounded by the government-sanctioned fare cap, JPA had to address lease and maintenance fees for its aircraft.[37] During the year, reports indicated that VAC would re-assume control of the carrier; according to Saigon Tiep Thi, the SCIC would transfer 70% of its shares to Vietnam Airlines. However, the Jetstar Group denied such speculation.[38][39] On 16 January 2012, the Vietnamese government confirmed the allegations by Saigon Tiep Thi by decreeing a transfer of SCIC shares to Vietnam Airlines, which took place in February.[40][41] The transfer brought forward plans by Vietnam Airlines to have its own LCC by 2014.[36] As part of its current expansion plan, it is intended that Jetstar Pacific will have up to 15 Airbus A320s by the end of 2015.[1]
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What ever happened to this amazing business venture ?
Jetstar and AirAsia Form World First Alliance
Sydney, 06 January 2010
In a world first for low cost airlines, Jetstar and AirAsia announced today they would form a new alliance that would reduce costs, pool expertise and ultimately result in cheaper fares for both carriers.
The alliance brings together the Asia Pacific's two leading low cost, low fare carriers and will focus on a range of major cost reduction opportunities and potential savings - to the benefit of customers throughout the region.
Key to the agreement is a proposed joint specification for the next generation of narrow body aircraft, that will best meet the needs of the low fare customer of the future. Both airline groups will also investigate opportunities for the joint procurement of aircraft.
Qantas Airways Chief Executive Officer Alan Joyce, Jetstar Chief Executive Officer Bruce Buchanan and AirAsia Group Chief Executive Officer Datuk Seri Tony Fernandes finalised the agreement in Sydney today.
Qantas Airways Chief Executive Officer, Mr Alan Joyce, said the historic non-equity alliance would give Jetstar and AirAsia a natural advantage in one of the world's most competitive aviation markets.
"Jetstar and AirAsia offer unmatched reach in the Asia Pacific region, with more routes and lower fares than their main competitors, and this new alliance will enable them to maximise that scale," Mr Joyce said.
"Just as both carriers have pioneered the development of the low cost, long haul airline model, today's announcement breaks the mould of traditional airline alliances and establishes a new model for achieving reduced costs and increased efficiency.
"The aviation market in Asia is a growth market, and has proven resilient over the past 12 months, despite the tough operating environment, with significant growth in passenger numbers forecast in the region.
"This partnership will ensure that both airlines can capitalise on these growth opportunities."
The agreement includes the development of cooperation in areas such as:
* Future fleet specification - both carriers will investigate opportunities for joint procurement of the next generation of narrow body aircraft. A collective goal is to achieve cost reductions in terms of order volume and influencing design specification to deliver more efficient, low cost operations;
* Airport passenger and ramp handling services - developing cooperative arrangements for the provision of passenger and ground handling in Australia and within Asia at overlapping airports by leveraging scale;
* Shared aircraft parts and 'pooling' - pooling inventory arrangements for aircraft components and spare parts;
* Procurement - Joint procurement, with a focus on engineering and maintenance supplies and services, with Jetstar maintaining its existing use of and commitment to Australian facilities; and
* Passenger disruption arrangements - reciprocal arrangements for passenger management (i.e. support for passenger disruptions and recovery onto the other airline's service) across both the AirAsia and Jetstar flying networks.
Jetstar Chief Executive Officer, Mr Bruce Buchanan, said the cooperative approach was a result of the two organisations' strong focus on costs.
"Jetstar and AirAsia are passionate about offering consistently low fares," Mr Buchanan said.
"Year on year, Jetstar is reducing its controllable costs by up to five per cent annually. This agreement will enable a further step-change in our cost position and ensure sustainable low fares.
"In coming years Jetstar and AirAsia want to work with manufacturers on the next generation aircraft to ensure it best meets our business requirements."
AirAsia Group CEO Datuk Seri Tony Fernandes hailed the agreement as another step in the airline's strategy to maintain its global leadership as the lowest-cost airline operator.
"AirAsia strongly believes the strategic tie-up will help the airline maintain its position as the lowest-cost airline in the world despite rising costs associated with the fledgling global economic recovery," Mr Fernandes said.
"It is key for us to keep our costs as low as possible. This is what enables us to provide the low, low fares that our guests have enjoyed, and will continue to enjoy."
Mr Fernandes said a common aircraft type specification in terms of the next generation narrow body offering should be proactively pursued by both airlines because of the many efficiencies it would bring.
"With joint purchasing power it means that we can potentially work with airline manufacturers on the right configuration and design of an aircraft specifically for AirAsia and that best suits our operational needs for the future," Mr Fernandes said.
"A strategic arrangement with Jetstar focussed on investigation of operational synergies is a logical development for us. AirAsia and Jetstar share the same philosophy of low cost, low fares and high quality customer service.
"There is clear sense in finding the right cost solution for a range of airline and associated services which support AirAsia's expanding route network."
The two largest airlines in the Asia Pacific in revenue terms, Jetstar and AirAsia jointly earned nearly AUD3 billion in revenues in the 2009 financial year.
* These arrangements are, where required, subject to regulatory approval.
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Jetstar and AirAsia Form World First Alliance
Sydney, 06 January 2010
In a world first for low cost airlines, Jetstar and AirAsia announced today they would form a new alliance that would reduce costs, pool expertise and ultimately result in cheaper fares for both carriers.
The alliance brings together the Asia Pacific's two leading low cost, low fare carriers and will focus on a range of major cost reduction opportunities and potential savings - to the benefit of customers throughout the region.
Key to the agreement is a proposed joint specification for the next generation of narrow body aircraft, that will best meet the needs of the low fare customer of the future. Both airline groups will also investigate opportunities for the joint procurement of aircraft.
Qantas Airways Chief Executive Officer Alan Joyce, Jetstar Chief Executive Officer Bruce Buchanan and AirAsia Group Chief Executive Officer Datuk Seri Tony Fernandes finalised the agreement in Sydney today.
Qantas Airways Chief Executive Officer, Mr Alan Joyce, said the historic non-equity alliance would give Jetstar and AirAsia a natural advantage in one of the world's most competitive aviation markets.
"Jetstar and AirAsia offer unmatched reach in the Asia Pacific region, with more routes and lower fares than their main competitors, and this new alliance will enable them to maximise that scale," Mr Joyce said.
"Just as both carriers have pioneered the development of the low cost, long haul airline model, today's announcement breaks the mould of traditional airline alliances and establishes a new model for achieving reduced costs and increased efficiency.
"The aviation market in Asia is a growth market, and has proven resilient over the past 12 months, despite the tough operating environment, with significant growth in passenger numbers forecast in the region.
"This partnership will ensure that both airlines can capitalise on these growth opportunities."
The agreement includes the development of cooperation in areas such as:
* Future fleet specification - both carriers will investigate opportunities for joint procurement of the next generation of narrow body aircraft. A collective goal is to achieve cost reductions in terms of order volume and influencing design specification to deliver more efficient, low cost operations;
* Airport passenger and ramp handling services - developing cooperative arrangements for the provision of passenger and ground handling in Australia and within Asia at overlapping airports by leveraging scale;
* Shared aircraft parts and 'pooling' - pooling inventory arrangements for aircraft components and spare parts;
* Procurement - Joint procurement, with a focus on engineering and maintenance supplies and services, with Jetstar maintaining its existing use of and commitment to Australian facilities; and
* Passenger disruption arrangements - reciprocal arrangements for passenger management (i.e. support for passenger disruptions and recovery onto the other airline's service) across both the AirAsia and Jetstar flying networks.
Jetstar Chief Executive Officer, Mr Bruce Buchanan, said the cooperative approach was a result of the two organisations' strong focus on costs.
"Jetstar and AirAsia are passionate about offering consistently low fares," Mr Buchanan said.
"Year on year, Jetstar is reducing its controllable costs by up to five per cent annually. This agreement will enable a further step-change in our cost position and ensure sustainable low fares.
"In coming years Jetstar and AirAsia want to work with manufacturers on the next generation aircraft to ensure it best meets our business requirements."
AirAsia Group CEO Datuk Seri Tony Fernandes hailed the agreement as another step in the airline's strategy to maintain its global leadership as the lowest-cost airline operator.
"AirAsia strongly believes the strategic tie-up will help the airline maintain its position as the lowest-cost airline in the world despite rising costs associated with the fledgling global economic recovery," Mr Fernandes said.
"It is key for us to keep our costs as low as possible. This is what enables us to provide the low, low fares that our guests have enjoyed, and will continue to enjoy."
Mr Fernandes said a common aircraft type specification in terms of the next generation narrow body offering should be proactively pursued by both airlines because of the many efficiencies it would bring.
"With joint purchasing power it means that we can potentially work with airline manufacturers on the right configuration and design of an aircraft specifically for AirAsia and that best suits our operational needs for the future," Mr Fernandes said.
"A strategic arrangement with Jetstar focussed on investigation of operational synergies is a logical development for us. AirAsia and Jetstar share the same philosophy of low cost, low fares and high quality customer service.
"There is clear sense in finding the right cost solution for a range of airline and associated services which support AirAsia's expanding route network."
The two largest airlines in the Asia Pacific in revenue terms, Jetstar and AirAsia jointly earned nearly AUD3 billion in revenues in the 2009 financial year.
* These arrangements are, where required, subject to regulatory approval.
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So after QF losing $41 million so far in investment and 18% of the trading losses, plus millions more in legal and admin costs Jetstar Pacific is starting to make a profit? Do you really think that an 18% share in any profit is ever going to even cover the cost of money so far sunk? Idiots.
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