MERGED: Alan's still not happy......
Moving to Perth is not for a lot of people Ruprecht. Many FOs have come to the same decision. Dumb choice? Who knows. I have a feeling you and I may have seen enough of Perth to last a lifetime. 
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Yeah that's fair enough Ruprecht .. I get what your saying, all I'm saying is be very careful about not taking an opportunity for a window seat.. In my career I've already lost my job after my mob collapsed, having been on the open market with thousands of other blokes.. Having left or right seat time will better your chances of employment elsewhere..
Now I'm back in the left seat and life is good.. I hope it works out for you QF blokes...chin up and keep optimistic but prepare for the worst.. And having window seat time helps in that regard..
Now I'm back in the left seat and life is good.. I hope it works out for you QF blokes...chin up and keep optimistic but prepare for the worst.. And having window seat time helps in that regard..
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Whats the story with the brand new JQ A320 (i think the rego is VH-VFV) parked on the JHAS apron in MEL? It looks as though it has been placed in long term storage.
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The CASA register says it arrived mid November.
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It's a good question, particularly if it is going into long term storage... Is Jetstar still paying the lease payments to mainline?
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Operator-Jetstar
It's a good question, particularly if it is going into long term storage... Is Jetstar still paying the lease payments to mainline?
short flights long nights
So EK have said, no equity injection for QF.Still AJ says nothing. Just a week or so ago he was bouncing around like the Duracell Bunny proclaiming all sorts of impending gloom. Just what is going on?
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Buggered if anybody knows SOPS. My son has just done a Sim in SYD, and he hoped he would pick up the goss there, but everyone is scratching their heads there, too.
EK mate just told me he'd heard 
David Koczkar Jetstar Chief Commercial Officer just resigned. Rats? Ships?
Anyone confirm?
David Koczkar Jetstar Chief Commercial Officer just resigned. Rats? Ships?Anyone confirm?
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Well, since I posted a few days ago, it would appear that I am not the only person who thinks that the costs at Qantas are way too high.
With Captains earning more than $400K, First Officers earning almost $300K, Second Officers earning more than $200K, and Flight Attendants earning more than $100K its perhaps no wonder that AJ started setting up Airlines abroad. Maybe he realised that the costs of doing business were too high in Australia.
I am amused when guys here say "well Australia is a high cost country"......well I think you may just be pricing yourselves out of business. Salaries have to be higher in the sandpit as they need to attract crews to somewhere which in many peoples eyes can be a pretty dire place to live, and bring up a family.
....and as for those who opt to defer a window seat....it could be a very high risk gamble.
Qantas may be sitting on a cash pile, but it is dwindling, and when it gets to around the last 1 Billion or so, the refuel companies, caterers and credit card companies will want paying in cash, and then the cash burn will become much more rapid.
It is not just AJ that is ruining Qantas, it is employee/union greed as well.
With Captains earning more than $400K, First Officers earning almost $300K, Second Officers earning more than $200K, and Flight Attendants earning more than $100K its perhaps no wonder that AJ started setting up Airlines abroad. Maybe he realised that the costs of doing business were too high in Australia.
I am amused when guys here say "well Australia is a high cost country"......well I think you may just be pricing yourselves out of business. Salaries have to be higher in the sandpit as they need to attract crews to somewhere which in many peoples eyes can be a pretty dire place to live, and bring up a family.
....and as for those who opt to defer a window seat....it could be a very high risk gamble.
Qantas may be sitting on a cash pile, but it is dwindling, and when it gets to around the last 1 Billion or so, the refuel companies, caterers and credit card companies will want paying in cash, and then the cash burn will become much more rapid.
It is not just AJ that is ruining Qantas, it is employee/union greed as well.
Of the $1b or so I believe the idiots have thrown at Jetstar and failed to net dollar 1, even the dole would be an 'extraordinary opportunity' - aaaammaaaaaaazzziiinnnggg business notwithstanding.
He got the job in 2010 - the Oz had a piece about how the great 'new look' Jetstar management team were poised to dominate the universe. Things cant be that rosey if their 'talented team' are a) not being poached by Borghetti and b) leaving to pursue dream careers like make up sales.
Having said that, when you do finally work out you are working for fools and idiots (or you realise you are one yourself) the honourable thing to do is to resign.
It would be very interesting to know why!
He got the job in 2010 - the Oz had a piece about how the great 'new look' Jetstar management team were poised to dominate the universe. Things cant be that rosey if their 'talented team' are a) not being poached by Borghetti and b) leaving to pursue dream careers like make up sales.
Having said that, when you do finally work out you are working for fools and idiots (or you realise you are one yourself) the honourable thing to do is to resign.
It would be very interesting to know why!
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Might be interesting, but the writer knows little about Qantas/Jetsar, and understands less.
Asiana
The landscape is starkly different today. For 2013 the number of fatal crashes involving IATA members is likely to be zero.
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Problem is Qantas operates a lot less flights in and out while foreign airlines have greatly increased capacity. Thank the Open Skies policy for that one.
Full aeroplanes doesn't mean profit necessarily too if the airfares aren't high enough! Qantas is way too top heavy. Too many managers.
Full aeroplanes doesn't mean profit necessarily too if the airfares aren't high enough! Qantas is way too top heavy. Too many managers.
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What if.........
Her is an interesting question. If Big Al got the punt would The Borg abandon the good ship Virgin and return as the knight in shining armour to rescue Q? I know there are probably a lot of variables and contract agreements involved but it would be interesting. One would like to think he would stay loyal to his current company and employees but reading the Thomas article with references to Rod Eddington bought back some memories. Good old Rod talked the talk and handed out 'I Made Ansett a Better Business' badges (still got a pile of them) to all his employees until he got a bigger offer from BA. Off faster than a Bondi/St Kilda tram.
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Mobi Lame. I have a mate that got shafted in QF, the same time as Borgetti, he is a close mate of his, and he reckons he can really be a nasty little bugger, when annoyed, and annoyed was not the word, when he got shafted. He reckons Borgetti would not go back, even if you offered him a block of flats, and he will not rest until the destroys Joyce, and if that means destroying QF...................................? There were a couple of blokes that went with Borgetti, and my mate is one of them. You might guess who he is, he was shattered for a while, he put his heart and soul into the company, but that was his reward. He is doing fine now, and moved on, but ask him about Borgetti, the bloke is still ready to kill. I would not count on him returning. One of the biggest mistakes QF ever made, ever, and he will make them pay. Somehow, I don't blame him.
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I agree in fact I have been saying the same thing.
If AJ were so hopeless, the shareholders would have registered dissatisfaction loud and clear.
He is doing exactly what he was given the job to do, and something Borghetti probably would not have done.
He is going about re alligning wages and conditions with those of the airlines in the region. Rather than confrontational attack on the unions, he is setting up other vehicles which have the desired conditions in order to gradually squeeze the main operation into submission.
Furthermore, many of those installed at the top in Jetstar have a history of being prepared to walk over others careers for their own gain. Many of them were inept, or worse, negligent in their previous company . They did what was necessary to save their own skins, handing up any mates they saw along the way and are still doing it. Dangerous mob to have at the hands of Al's preferred vehicle from Qf perspective.
But just what he needs.
I agree in fact I have been saying the same thing.
If AJ were so hopeless, the shareholders would have registered dissatisfaction loud and clear.
He is doing exactly what he was given the job to do, and something Borghetti probably would not have done.
He is going about re alligning wages and conditions with those of the airlines in the region. Rather than confrontational attack on the unions, he is setting up other vehicles which have the desired conditions in order to gradually squeeze the main operation into submission.
Furthermore, many of those installed at the top in Jetstar have a history of being prepared to walk over others careers for their own gain. Many of them were inept, or worse, negligent in their previous company . They did what was necessary to save their own skins, handing up any mates they saw along the way and are still doing it. Dangerous mob to have at the hands of Al's preferred vehicle from Qf perspective.
But just what he needs.
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Well, since I posted a few days ago, it would appear that I am not the only person who thinks that the costs at Qantas are way too high.
With Captains earning more than $400K, First Officers earning almost $300K, Second Officers earning more than $200K, and Flight Attendants earning more than $100K its perhaps no wonder that AJ started setting up Airlines abroad. Maybe he realised that the costs of doing business were too high in Australia.
I am amused when guys here say "well Australia is a high cost country"......well I think you may just be pricing yourselves out of business. Salaries have to be higher in the sandpit as they need to attract crews to somewhere which in many peoples eyes can be a pretty dire place to live, and bring up a family.
....and as for those who opt to defer a window seat....it could be a very high risk gamble.
Qantas may be sitting on a cash pile, but it is dwindling, and when it gets to around the last 1 Billion or so, the refuel companies, caterers and credit card companies will want paying in cash, and then the cash burn will become much more rapid.
It is not just AJ that is ruining Qantas, it is employee/union greed as well.
With Captains earning more than $400K, First Officers earning almost $300K, Second Officers earning more than $200K, and Flight Attendants earning more than $100K its perhaps no wonder that AJ started setting up Airlines abroad. Maybe he realised that the costs of doing business were too high in Australia.
I am amused when guys here say "well Australia is a high cost country"......well I think you may just be pricing yourselves out of business. Salaries have to be higher in the sandpit as they need to attract crews to somewhere which in many peoples eyes can be a pretty dire place to live, and bring up a family.
....and as for those who opt to defer a window seat....it could be a very high risk gamble.
Qantas may be sitting on a cash pile, but it is dwindling, and when it gets to around the last 1 Billion or so, the refuel companies, caterers and credit card companies will want paying in cash, and then the cash burn will become much more rapid.
It is not just AJ that is ruining Qantas, it is employee/union greed as well.
As we all keep hearing being mentioned, It's all the pilots fault, plus the engineers and the cabin crews. Oh, Plus the ground staff, travel agencies, the Aussie dollar, the US dollar, the price of fuel, being an end of the line airline, the government, foreign airlines, domestic airlines, the weather, the volcanoes, Boeing, airbus, old technology, new technology, my mum, my dad, the little lady down the lane. Etc, etc.
But guess what, I'm sure it isn't the fault of the people put in charge to run the airline, namely the management, the board and Alan Joyce.
Here is a quick question. In a two year period do you think pilot salaries have come close to $260million dollars??????
Yet in two instances over the last two years our little Irish leader has squandered $200 mil shutting the airline down and another $60mill to a Jetstar offshore franchise which has not returned one operating dollar to the group. If our leaders have that sort of cash to throw around then i would suggest salaries might not be the crux of the problem.
I'm sure others smarter than me can also add other examples of millions squandered under this current management.
So lets all cut the crap about salaries, they are merely a side show to the mismanagement we have suffered over the past 5-8 years and its about time this lot go so Qantas and its loyal staff can move forward before there is nothing left.