MERGED: Alan's still not happy......
Looks like he's not happy again.
http://m.smh.com.au/business/aviation/qantas-tries-to-stop-alan-joyce-speechwriter-lucinda-holdforth-from-publishing-book-fighting-words-20150623-ghvuwc.html
http://m.smh.com.au/business/aviation/qantas-tries-to-stop-alan-joyce-speechwriter-lucinda-holdforth-from-publishing-book-fighting-words-20150623-ghvuwc.html
Keg, I, and I hope all regulars sympathise with your position, and hope that the promotion treadmill restarts again soon, and with vigour.
The reality is though, that no one trusts management. Without concrete penalties for non-performance specified in any agreement then its all just so much more happy horse ****. What happens if the 787 is a simple replacement for the 330 without meaningful route expansion? What mechanism exists to revert to the current T & Cs if it was all just another Clifford/Joyce con game?
They tried the lock out. I reckon this is their try at a lock-in.
As it stands Airbus does not have a life extension program in place for the 330. It currently is 60,000 hours. (In Airbus parlance, life extensions are called ISG and ESG, for intermediate and extended service goals). Thus far only the A320 has any service goal extension program in place (To 90, ISG, then 120 K, ESG hours)
My (admittedly, often) unreliable sources in Toulouse (flight test) tell me that the extension programme for the 330 is unlikely. (It was after all supposed to be in place two years ago). So then, cast an eye to the airframe hours of the early QF deliveries that went on to squander their JQ airframe lives in service to the unwashed doing unspeakable things to the unamused. By 2018 the first four, then the next four, will be time expired beer cans disguised as aeroplanes. Parse that against your most optimistic 787 delivery schedule.
I still don't know how, or indeed if, I will vote. If I had a dog in this particular fight I would be even more unsure. Good luck.
The reality is though, that no one trusts management. Without concrete penalties for non-performance specified in any agreement then its all just so much more happy horse ****. What happens if the 787 is a simple replacement for the 330 without meaningful route expansion? What mechanism exists to revert to the current T & Cs if it was all just another Clifford/Joyce con game?
They tried the lock out. I reckon this is their try at a lock-in.
As it stands Airbus does not have a life extension program in place for the 330. It currently is 60,000 hours. (In Airbus parlance, life extensions are called ISG and ESG, for intermediate and extended service goals). Thus far only the A320 has any service goal extension program in place (To 90, ISG, then 120 K, ESG hours)
My (admittedly, often) unreliable sources in Toulouse (flight test) tell me that the extension programme for the 330 is unlikely. (It was after all supposed to be in place two years ago). So then, cast an eye to the airframe hours of the early QF deliveries that went on to squander their JQ airframe lives in service to the unwashed doing unspeakable things to the unamused. By 2018 the first four, then the next four, will be time expired beer cans disguised as aeroplanes. Parse that against your most optimistic 787 delivery schedule.
I still don't know how, or indeed if, I will vote. If I had a dog in this particular fight I would be even more unsure. Good luck.
Alan AND lovely Livvy not happy
Don't think this has been posted elsewhere:
From the Australian
Alan Joyce tell-all book: Qantas to urge blocking publication
The speechwriter for Qantas chief executive Alan Joyce threatened to “go feral” if the airline blocked her from publishing a new tell-all book.
Qantas has urged the NSW Supreme Court to stop the publication of the manuscript, by author Lucinda Holdforth, titled Fighting Words.
Lawyers for Qantas argue the manuscript should be suppressed because it contains confidential information that would damage the airline.
Holdforth sought official approval from Mr Joyce and the airline’s marketing and corporate affairs manager, Olivia Wirth, to publish the manuscript on March 14, 2015.
In an email to the pair she said the manuscript was her “personal speechwriter’s take” about the airline’s decision in 2011 to ground its fleet during a stand-off with its workforce. She said it was about the lead up to, and aftermath of those events.
“It is fundamentally a study of your leadership Alan, and of Olivia’s exhilarating command of the communications strategy during one of Australia’s biggest corporate crises,” she wrote.
However, the airline applied yesterday for an urgent interim injunction to prevent Holdforth from publishing the manuscript.
Supreme Court judge Patricia Bergin has delayed the hearing until 2.15pm to allow the parties time for discussions.
Holdforth has been an employee of Qantas since February 2008 and during that time attended confidential strategy meetings with senior Qantas managers.
She was responsible for writing Mr Joyce’s speech during the 2011 grounding and was also a speechwriter for Mr Joyce’s predecessor, Geoff Dixon, and former Qantas chairman Margaret Jackson.
According to court documents, as part of her role she had frequent discussions with senior Qantas managers and was privy to market-sensitive information from the airline’s finance, commercial, group strategy, communications and industrial relations divisions.
The documents reveal she allegedly threatened one of the airline’s senior internal lawyers that they should work with her to get the book published or she would be forced to “go feral”.
Holdforth’s $165,000-a-year part-time role at Qantas is now under a cloud, although she has not been sacked.
According to court documents, Holdforth had informed Qantas executives, including Ms Wirth that she was writing the book prior to March of this year, and between 2011 and March 2015 took time off to write.
In an email to Ms Wirth last Friday, Ms Holdforth said Fighting Words would enter the public domain. “It’s now a question of how that happens,” she wrote.
She said the airline had two options — to grant permission for publication of the book by the University of Queensland Press, and she would make changes to assuage its concerns. She also offered to sever her formal ties so the airline could distance itself.
Alternatively, she said Qantas could refuse permission and take legal action — which she would ignore and release the manuscript online. She said Qantas could then return to court calling for her to be fined and jailed for contempt of court.
“I hope sanity prevails and this can be finalised without further nonsense,” she wrote.
Holdforth is also the author of True Pleasures: A Memoir of Women in Paris and Why Manners Matter: The Case for Civilised Behaviour in a Barbarous World.
A spokeswoman for University of Queensland Press said: “This is not a title currently contracted to UQP.” However, she declined to say whether UQP has been in discussions with Holdforth about the manuscript.
She told Fairfax recently that the manuscript was a memoir of her life and experiences as a speechwriter.
Qantas said in a statement that senior staff in all companies were “aware that discussions and internal documents covering a range of topics are confidential to that company”.
“Ms Holdforth ignored that duty to keep such material within Qantas,” the statement said.
“She has written a manuscript seeking to exploit for personal gain confidential internal information that she was privy to.
“Qantas had no option but to take action to prevent Ms Holdforth from breaching her obligations to the company”.
From the Australian
Alan Joyce tell-all book: Qantas to urge blocking publication
The speechwriter for Qantas chief executive Alan Joyce threatened to “go feral” if the airline blocked her from publishing a new tell-all book.
Qantas has urged the NSW Supreme Court to stop the publication of the manuscript, by author Lucinda Holdforth, titled Fighting Words.
Lawyers for Qantas argue the manuscript should be suppressed because it contains confidential information that would damage the airline.
Holdforth sought official approval from Mr Joyce and the airline’s marketing and corporate affairs manager, Olivia Wirth, to publish the manuscript on March 14, 2015.
In an email to the pair she said the manuscript was her “personal speechwriter’s take” about the airline’s decision in 2011 to ground its fleet during a stand-off with its workforce. She said it was about the lead up to, and aftermath of those events.
“It is fundamentally a study of your leadership Alan, and of Olivia’s exhilarating command of the communications strategy during one of Australia’s biggest corporate crises,” she wrote.
However, the airline applied yesterday for an urgent interim injunction to prevent Holdforth from publishing the manuscript.
Supreme Court judge Patricia Bergin has delayed the hearing until 2.15pm to allow the parties time for discussions.
Holdforth has been an employee of Qantas since February 2008 and during that time attended confidential strategy meetings with senior Qantas managers.
She was responsible for writing Mr Joyce’s speech during the 2011 grounding and was also a speechwriter for Mr Joyce’s predecessor, Geoff Dixon, and former Qantas chairman Margaret Jackson.
According to court documents, as part of her role she had frequent discussions with senior Qantas managers and was privy to market-sensitive information from the airline’s finance, commercial, group strategy, communications and industrial relations divisions.
The documents reveal she allegedly threatened one of the airline’s senior internal lawyers that they should work with her to get the book published or she would be forced to “go feral”.
Holdforth’s $165,000-a-year part-time role at Qantas is now under a cloud, although she has not been sacked.
According to court documents, Holdforth had informed Qantas executives, including Ms Wirth that she was writing the book prior to March of this year, and between 2011 and March 2015 took time off to write.
In an email to Ms Wirth last Friday, Ms Holdforth said Fighting Words would enter the public domain. “It’s now a question of how that happens,” she wrote.
She said the airline had two options — to grant permission for publication of the book by the University of Queensland Press, and she would make changes to assuage its concerns. She also offered to sever her formal ties so the airline could distance itself.
Alternatively, she said Qantas could refuse permission and take legal action — which she would ignore and release the manuscript online. She said Qantas could then return to court calling for her to be fined and jailed for contempt of court.
“I hope sanity prevails and this can be finalised without further nonsense,” she wrote.
Holdforth is also the author of True Pleasures: A Memoir of Women in Paris and Why Manners Matter: The Case for Civilised Behaviour in a Barbarous World.
A spokeswoman for University of Queensland Press said: “This is not a title currently contracted to UQP.” However, she declined to say whether UQP has been in discussions with Holdforth about the manuscript.
She told Fairfax recently that the manuscript was a memoir of her life and experiences as a speechwriter.
Qantas said in a statement that senior staff in all companies were “aware that discussions and internal documents covering a range of topics are confidential to that company”.
“Ms Holdforth ignored that duty to keep such material within Qantas,” the statement said.
“She has written a manuscript seeking to exploit for personal gain confidential internal information that she was privy to.
“Qantas had no option but to take action to prevent Ms Holdforth from breaching her obligations to the company”.
What I wouldn't give to work for such an exciting company.... In a 'part time' $165kpa position ideally. Real work (like the work the people who put and keep the jets in the air do) wouldn't really cut it of course
One can only hope at what may be contained therein....
Last edited by V-Jet; 24th Jun 2015 at 05:20.
short flights long nights
How do I get a part time job for $165k?
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This looks like a thinly veiled extortion attempt by Ms Holdforth, however, given the circumstances of the infamous carbon free day, it would also appear she has considerable leverage. If I were betting on an outcome, it would be that the book was submitted to Qantas, with certain passages deleted before delayed publication for a confidential settlement. The sum in question would be directly related to the current CEO & board's discomfort. Avoid hot tubs and fast cars.
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This looks like a thinly veiled extortion attempt by Ms Holdforth,
It also has the capability to show a level of contempt that management has for staff (depending on the content of this book).
I am pretty sure that the author may realise these implications IMHO.
I want to see all the sordid details out there for everyone else to see, but unfortunately rarely is there ever any justice in the corporate world.
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And after the Supreme Court of NSW hearing today"
Alan Joyce's speechwriter threatened to 'go guerrilla' if Qantas tried to block book
The long-time speechwriter for Qantas chief executive Alan Joyce warned the airline it would force her to "go guerrilla" if it tried to stop her from writing a tell-all book about her time working there, including the controversial grounding of its fleet in 2011, court documents reveal.
Qantas is seeking to permanently block the publication of the manuscript by Sydney author and speechwriter Lucinda Holdforth because it claims Fighting Words contains confidential information that would damage the airline.
Court documents reveal emails and details of meetings between Ms Holdforth and Mr Joyce, Qantas' head of corporate affairs and marketing, Olivia Wirth and the airline's senior lawyers.
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Holdforth, who received $164,800 a year as a "writing consultant", had mentioned in passing to Ms Wirth and other Qantas staff about potentially writing a book, and there were suggestions she planned to canvass the events leading up to the grounding in 2011.
"Those references [to a book] appeared to be made in jest, using words to the effect that the events occurring at the time 'would make a great book' or 'would make a great movie'," an affidavit from Qantas' lawyers stated.
While she took periods of leave between late 2011 and early this year to write, it was not until March this year that Holdforth revealed her intentions to proceed with penning a book.
On about March 14, she emailed Mr Joyce and Ms Wirth to advise them she had completed a manuscript, which had been sent to publisher Allen & Unwin.
In the email, she told the pair that her manuscript was "my personal speechwriter's take on the story of 2011 and the lead-up to – and aftermath of – the lock-out and grounding".
"It is fundamentally a study of your leadership Alan, and of Olivia's exhilarating command of the communications strategy during one of Australia's biggest corporate crises," Holdforth wrote in the email.
After that email, Ms Wirth met Holdforth a number of times to gain a copy of the manuscript and talk to her about whether it could be published in its present form.
In 2011, Holdforth had attended secret meetings with senior Qantas staff in the lead up to the infamous grounding, and wrote Mr Joyce's speech on the day he announced his decision to take the unprecedented action to break an industrial dispute.
After reading the manuscript, Ms Wirth formed the view that it "contained information concerning the business, operations and affairs of Qantas that is confidential" to the airline.
Holdforth later met Qantas's deputy general counsel, Wes Nobelius, at a cafe in Sydney's Surry Hills on June 18 to talk about the manuscript, whereby Holdforth stated "several times that 'this [manuscript] is going to be on the public domain' or words to that effect".
"Ms Holdforth used words to the effect of 'it is either going to come out the easy way or the hard way. Qantas is forcing me to go guerrilla but you know, I would do it'," the affidavit from Qantas' lawyers stated.
Shortly after that meeting, Holdforth sent an email to Ms Wirth and Mr Nobelius that she intended to publish the manuscript "irrespective and in breach of any cease-and-desist letter she receives [from Qantas]".
In extending the interim injunction on Wednesday, NSW Supreme Court judge Patricia Bergin urged Qantas and Holdforth to enter mediation to avoid a legal battle that would fracture their relationship beyond repair.
Queensland University Press has offered Holdforth a contract for her book but it is yet to be signed.
Holdforth was also the speechwriter for Mr Joyce's predecessor, Geoff Dixon, and former Qantas chairman Margaret Jackson. She also wrote speeches for former Labor leader Kim Beazley when he was finance minister in the Keating government in the 1990s.
She is also the author of two other non-fiction books
Alan Joyce's speechwriter threatened to 'go guerrilla' if Qantas tried to block book
The long-time speechwriter for Qantas chief executive Alan Joyce warned the airline it would force her to "go guerrilla" if it tried to stop her from writing a tell-all book about her time working there, including the controversial grounding of its fleet in 2011, court documents reveal.
Qantas is seeking to permanently block the publication of the manuscript by Sydney author and speechwriter Lucinda Holdforth because it claims Fighting Words contains confidential information that would damage the airline.
Ms Holdforth used words to the effect of 'it is either going to come out the easy way or the hard way.
Qantas' lawyers
On Wednesday, a NSW Supreme Court judge extended an interim injunction gained a day earlier preventing her from revealing any contents of her manuscript until the next hearing on July 6.Qantas' lawyers
Court documents reveal emails and details of meetings between Ms Holdforth and Mr Joyce, Qantas' head of corporate affairs and marketing, Olivia Wirth and the airline's senior lawyers.
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Holdforth, who received $164,800 a year as a "writing consultant", had mentioned in passing to Ms Wirth and other Qantas staff about potentially writing a book, and there were suggestions she planned to canvass the events leading up to the grounding in 2011.
"Those references [to a book] appeared to be made in jest, using words to the effect that the events occurring at the time 'would make a great book' or 'would make a great movie'," an affidavit from Qantas' lawyers stated.
While she took periods of leave between late 2011 and early this year to write, it was not until March this year that Holdforth revealed her intentions to proceed with penning a book.
On about March 14, she emailed Mr Joyce and Ms Wirth to advise them she had completed a manuscript, which had been sent to publisher Allen & Unwin.
In the email, she told the pair that her manuscript was "my personal speechwriter's take on the story of 2011 and the lead-up to – and aftermath of – the lock-out and grounding".
"It is fundamentally a study of your leadership Alan, and of Olivia's exhilarating command of the communications strategy during one of Australia's biggest corporate crises," Holdforth wrote in the email.
After that email, Ms Wirth met Holdforth a number of times to gain a copy of the manuscript and talk to her about whether it could be published in its present form.
In 2011, Holdforth had attended secret meetings with senior Qantas staff in the lead up to the infamous grounding, and wrote Mr Joyce's speech on the day he announced his decision to take the unprecedented action to break an industrial dispute.
After reading the manuscript, Ms Wirth formed the view that it "contained information concerning the business, operations and affairs of Qantas that is confidential" to the airline.
Holdforth later met Qantas's deputy general counsel, Wes Nobelius, at a cafe in Sydney's Surry Hills on June 18 to talk about the manuscript, whereby Holdforth stated "several times that 'this [manuscript] is going to be on the public domain' or words to that effect".
"Ms Holdforth used words to the effect of 'it is either going to come out the easy way or the hard way. Qantas is forcing me to go guerrilla but you know, I would do it'," the affidavit from Qantas' lawyers stated.
Shortly after that meeting, Holdforth sent an email to Ms Wirth and Mr Nobelius that she intended to publish the manuscript "irrespective and in breach of any cease-and-desist letter she receives [from Qantas]".
In extending the interim injunction on Wednesday, NSW Supreme Court judge Patricia Bergin urged Qantas and Holdforth to enter mediation to avoid a legal battle that would fracture their relationship beyond repair.
Queensland University Press has offered Holdforth a contract for her book but it is yet to be signed.
Holdforth was also the speechwriter for Mr Joyce's predecessor, Geoff Dixon, and former Qantas chairman Margaret Jackson. She also wrote speeches for former Labor leader Kim Beazley when he was finance minister in the Keating government in the 1990s.
She is also the author of two other non-fiction books
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Be very, very, very, very careful what you wish for.
If the grounding was premeditated while QF continued to enter contracts with the traveling public it had no intention of upholding, things are very bleak for the company indeed.
The hundreds of funerals, weddings, business meetings, contracts and final farewells missed would result in thousands of law suits.
The legal fees alone would have any decent sized company on its knees before the first successful litigation was finalized.
LC, AJ and OW may not be the most popular managers ever but they can't be so stupid to have allowed a consultant to have details of a supposed conspiracy.
But if Holdworth knows something, can prove something and decides to publish something then AJ will be picking up the soap in Long Bay for a few years. Unfortunately that will just be the start of it.
I have great faith that saner heads will prevail and certain people will be reminded of the consequences for breaching confidentiality clauses.
If the grounding was premeditated while QF continued to enter contracts with the traveling public it had no intention of upholding, things are very bleak for the company indeed.
The hundreds of funerals, weddings, business meetings, contracts and final farewells missed would result in thousands of law suits.
The legal fees alone would have any decent sized company on its knees before the first successful litigation was finalized.
LC, AJ and OW may not be the most popular managers ever but they can't be so stupid to have allowed a consultant to have details of a supposed conspiracy.
But if Holdworth knows something, can prove something and decides to publish something then AJ will be picking up the soap in Long Bay for a few years. Unfortunately that will just be the start of it.
I have great faith that saner heads will prevail and certain people will be reminded of the consequences for breaching confidentiality clauses.
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http://www.thb.gov.hk/eng/boards/tra...2025062015.pdf
25/6/15 Jet* HK R.I.P.
Millions lost but don't expect any form of accountability.
Amazing.
25/6/15 Jet* HK R.I.P.
Millions lost but don't expect any form of accountability.
Amazing.
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Just when Elaine thought he was getting some clear air, the Jetstar deal-junkie, capital light, minority-interest model is coming home to roost.
Jetstar HK dead, soon to be followed by Jetstar Japan where he will need to put in another $100m later this year. Not to mention Jetstar pacific and Jetstar Asia.
Half a BILLION DOLLARS is hard to bury, even if you have an opaque system of accountability.
Jetstar HK dead, soon to be followed by Jetstar Japan where he will need to put in another $100m later this year. Not to mention Jetstar pacific and Jetstar Asia.
Half a BILLION DOLLARS is hard to bury, even if you have an opaque system of accountability.
This was always going to be the case Q v Swire - welcome to the big league Allan.
You silly people. It's capital light less than the cost of an A380. The benefits to the group in years to come are immense . I'm still laughing OJI is sitting at Mascot with the tail painted red, there was yesterday a 380 broken in Lax and they couldn't substitute a 747 cos they don't have the airframes.