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Jetstar to cancel Hamilton Island to Brisbane flights | Whitsunday Times
Jetstar to cancel Hamilton Island to Brisbane flights | Whitsunday Times
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Interesting Qantas is cancelling Tasman flights due to "peaks and troughs" When Qantas is in a seasonal trough, it is due to light leisure travellers as business travellers generally only fall off over Xmas. This would mean Qantas is essentially a "leisure" traveller carrier.
What is also interesting is Qantas is reducing its schedule in October? This is due to lights loads, I'm guessing because of a lack of leisure travellers. The month of October generally isn't a trough? The really interesting thing is Jetstar is picking up those flights? Go figure, a leisure carrier picking up flights that are light due to a trough in leisure travellers.
What I'm trying to get at is, why would you replace your premium carrier when leisure loads are light with a leisure carrier only? It doesn't make sense? What's also interesting is both the AKL-ADL and AKL-CNS Jetstar services have been canned as they were a flop and failed. They won't let Qantas try these routes as Qantas management claim these routes to be leisure routes, Air New Zealand servicing these routes would claim not. If Qantas serviced these routes they would be the only carrier with business class giving them an advantage. Qantas has just proved with the Tasman reschedule the loads are light due to light leisure demand. Hence my point about Qantas being a leisure carrier. It's not only a leisure carrier, but a premium leisure and business carrier.
This is the current Qantas strategy, expand Jetstar, shrink Qantas. The more they expand Jetstar, the more they upset their loyal pax that will take their business elsewhere.
I think you will see a slow takeover of most Qantas services on the Tasman by Jetstar with the odd Tasman flight flown by Qantas. Emirates will fly the rest of the business traveller, what ever business traveller left over who is not peeved off with the lack of Qantas services will transfer their business to Air New Zealand.
Great strategy Qantas, you should all work in Air New Zealand's marketing department!
What is also interesting is Qantas is reducing its schedule in October? This is due to lights loads, I'm guessing because of a lack of leisure travellers. The month of October generally isn't a trough? The really interesting thing is Jetstar is picking up those flights? Go figure, a leisure carrier picking up flights that are light due to a trough in leisure travellers.
What I'm trying to get at is, why would you replace your premium carrier when leisure loads are light with a leisure carrier only? It doesn't make sense? What's also interesting is both the AKL-ADL and AKL-CNS Jetstar services have been canned as they were a flop and failed. They won't let Qantas try these routes as Qantas management claim these routes to be leisure routes, Air New Zealand servicing these routes would claim not. If Qantas serviced these routes they would be the only carrier with business class giving them an advantage. Qantas has just proved with the Tasman reschedule the loads are light due to light leisure demand. Hence my point about Qantas being a leisure carrier. It's not only a leisure carrier, but a premium leisure and business carrier.
This is the current Qantas strategy, expand Jetstar, shrink Qantas. The more they expand Jetstar, the more they upset their loyal pax that will take their business elsewhere.
I think you will see a slow takeover of most Qantas services on the Tasman by Jetstar with the odd Tasman flight flown by Qantas. Emirates will fly the rest of the business traveller, what ever business traveller left over who is not peeved off with the lack of Qantas services will transfer their business to Air New Zealand.
Great strategy Qantas, you should all work in Air New Zealand's marketing department!
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Most airlines operate a seasonal schedule and add/reduce flights according to demand throughout the year. SQ for example regularly fluctuates between 3 and 4 flights a day SINLHR depending upon demand - as do others eg CZ or KE adding supplementary flights to Oz during peak times, and reducing throughout the remainder of the year.
I agree it doesn't make sense adding JQ ILO QF in this case -- as the leisure travellers that fill the back of the bus probably just won't be travelling full stop during that period.. Then again, maybe JQ would lose less money than a QF flight at the same period, who knows.
Reduced flying is never good for the employees - but I think it is great QF seems to finally be taking some risks and working out where they can save money and grow revenue in a dynamic market -- supp flights to SCL/DFW over the holidays are one example.
I agree it doesn't make sense adding JQ ILO QF in this case -- as the leisure travellers that fill the back of the bus probably just won't be travelling full stop during that period.. Then again, maybe JQ would lose less money than a QF flight at the same period, who knows.
Reduced flying is never good for the employees - but I think it is great QF seems to finally be taking some risks and working out where they can save money and grow revenue in a dynamic market -- supp flights to SCL/DFW over the holidays are one example.
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Could someone please tell me, when JQ are stating people are choosing to fly with them on the 787 & they are most efficient when the aircraft are flying.
Why, when its now the start of the NSW school holiday. That some JQ Sydney-Denpassar services have 150 spare seats (JQ37)
Why, when its now the start of the NSW school holiday. That some JQ Sydney-Denpassar services have 150 spare seats (JQ37)
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Long haul LCC's can only be profitable if the employees of said LCC's are on 3rd world contracts.
I believe when the A321 NEO's become available to Jetstar, they will replace B787's on DPS routes from east coast.
By this time QF crews will be so beaten into submission that they will accept a B scale contract to fly B787's on long haul routes. The Jetstar 787 could well be wound up.
Either that or Jetstar pilots will be flying Red tails.
Australian businesses cannot compete on a low cost basis with the likes of Air Asia & Lion Air.
The only option for non LCC airlines is to compete on product & reputation/loyalty programs.
I believe when the A321 NEO's become available to Jetstar, they will replace B787's on DPS routes from east coast.
By this time QF crews will be so beaten into submission that they will accept a B scale contract to fly B787's on long haul routes. The Jetstar 787 could well be wound up.
Either that or Jetstar pilots will be flying Red tails.
Australian businesses cannot compete on a low cost basis with the likes of Air Asia & Lion Air.
The only option for non LCC airlines is to compete on product & reputation/loyalty programs.
And the brilliance of their 'Management Teams'.
You lose the QF USP and the rest is out the door. You ******* IDIOTS!
You lose the QF USP and the rest is out the door. You ******* IDIOTS!
Long haul LCC's can only be profitable if the employees of said LCC's are on 3rd world contracts.
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No you're the ********* V-Jet, for thinking Qantas could possibly survive in their legacy incarnation when all others around the world have failed. The world changes, whilst you continue to pine for a flat earth.
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All flights to DPs and HKt have generally been full and I'm netting between 12/13 clear a month, hardly third world wages, flying the latest aircraft out of one of the most beautiful cities in the world.
Long May it continue.
Long May it continue.
Qantas didnt fail, it was destroyed by people who do not understand Australia or airlines.
What they have done and are doing is a little like running McDonalds, seeing Pizza sales increasing and immediately deciding to ditch Big Macs for Pepperoni and Cheese family sized Pizza's. A brilliant strategy except McDonalds expertise is in burgers, not pizza's. All the restaurants and staff are set up and trained for making burgers and no one in the entire world associates McDonalds with Pizza.**
You spend nigh on 100 years selling and creating one thing in the marketplace and then deliberately throw it away and you immediately lose any edge you have in the marketplace. What reason do people now have to 'buy Qantas'? After 25+ years of working there, even I struggle to find one now!
I humbly suggest I'm not the one with 'Flat Earth' syndrome - I don't get paid enough for that. There are (again IMHO) parked aircraft and monuments around the world to that thinking, a spectacular example located at 203 Coward St, Mascot.
** Except McDonalds (or anyone aside from Elaine and Clifford I hope) wouldn't be stupid enough to not only make bad Pizza's, but offer their customers discount vouchers to encourage them to buy from Pizza Hut!
What they have done and are doing is a little like running McDonalds, seeing Pizza sales increasing and immediately deciding to ditch Big Macs for Pepperoni and Cheese family sized Pizza's. A brilliant strategy except McDonalds expertise is in burgers, not pizza's. All the restaurants and staff are set up and trained for making burgers and no one in the entire world associates McDonalds with Pizza.**
You spend nigh on 100 years selling and creating one thing in the marketplace and then deliberately throw it away and you immediately lose any edge you have in the marketplace. What reason do people now have to 'buy Qantas'? After 25+ years of working there, even I struggle to find one now!
I humbly suggest I'm not the one with 'Flat Earth' syndrome - I don't get paid enough for that. There are (again IMHO) parked aircraft and monuments around the world to that thinking, a spectacular example located at 203 Coward St, Mascot.
** Except McDonalds (or anyone aside from Elaine and Clifford I hope) wouldn't be stupid enough to not only make bad Pizza's, but offer their customers discount vouchers to encourage them to buy from Pizza Hut!
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Since the March decision to deny Qantas a debt guarantee, the politics surrounding the airline have gone quiet.
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QF Shrinking BNE Flights?
Heard from a couple of ground staff in Brisbane yesterday that QF rumoured to be pulling out of BNE - SIN and BNE - HKG and giving it to JQ...
Really?
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Really?
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Heard from a couple of ground staff in Brisbane yesterday that QF rumoured to be pulling out of BNE - SIN and BNE - HKG and giving it to JQ...
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Its an amazing business when Execs can give away the house and get nothing for it yet again.
Surely it must be time for someone to ask what is going on here OR this place is in heaps of trouble.
ps Albanese reported as giving ground on QSA issues in today's press, so he is on board with what is going to happen.
Surely it must be time for someone to ask what is going on here OR this place is in heaps of trouble.
ps Albanese reported as giving ground on QSA issues in today's press, so he is on board with what is going to happen.