MERGED: Alan's still not happy......
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Every time I open pprune I wonder if this thread will wither but Alan is like an intermittent spark plug, a plug geared for bad news and he sparks it just often enough to keep this thread open. Story of his tenure really...
This whole pilot redundancy thing is accelerating so quickly out of the station, from rumour late last week to 'hmm, haven't heard about that but if we do we'll let you know', to "consultation", to offer that you'd have to assume that 'someone' [Human Resources?] has suddenly decided to get it wrapped up by June 30 to take the charge in this financial year.
Get your ducks in a row because this looks like an express ride out to me.
Get your ducks in a row because this looks like an express ride out to me.
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CG,
It's a great theory .. and perhaps even true .. but ..
They can't wrap it up by June 30 .. they have to give 3 months notice so even saying that their asking for expressions of interest is "the notice" ... Mid August is the earliest ...
The other point is that if they were to do that, then they would be left .. er.. short, very very short on both types ..
I'd say there will be several "blocks" of VR as they reduce the numbers of aircraft.
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(and another point for those considering VR .. the tax situation is HUGELY different Jun 30 v Jul 1)
It's a great theory .. and perhaps even true .. but ..
They can't wrap it up by June 30 .. they have to give 3 months notice so even saying that their asking for expressions of interest is "the notice" ... Mid August is the earliest ...
The other point is that if they were to do that, then they would be left .. er.. short, very very short on both types ..
I'd say there will be several "blocks" of VR as they reduce the numbers of aircraft.
N
(and another point for those considering VR .. the tax situation is HUGELY different Jun 30 v Jul 1)
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ooohhh the desperation of the little fella.
Various departments asked to cut their workforce by 30%
Doesn't matter whether those support roles are critical to the operation or not.
30% have to go.
and the insulting part.............
Some where told of their CR, only to be asked to stay on a few weeks to complete some project work.
No wonder the work force is demoralised.
Various departments asked to cut their workforce by 30%
Doesn't matter whether those support roles are critical to the operation or not.
30% have to go.
and the insulting part.............
Some where told of their CR, only to be asked to stay on a few weeks to complete some project work.
No wonder the work force is demoralised.
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The public battle for Jetstar HK continues.
Recent article here, authored by the JHK CEO, from the South China Morning Post
Hong Kong needs its own home-based budget airline | South China Morning Post
Recent article here, authored by the JHK CEO, from the South China Morning Post
Hong Kong needs its own home-based budget airline | South China Morning Post
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Ohallen,
Are you saying that if the company goes into liquidation they will give everyone CR?
I know changes were made since Ansett to ensure employees are paid their entitlements but I thought this would just be your unused leave etc.
Are you saying that if the company goes into liquidation they will give everyone CR?
I know changes were made since Ansett to ensure employees are paid their entitlements but I thought this would just be your unused leave etc.
The public battle for Jetstar HK continues.
Recent article here, authored by the JHK CEO, from the South China Morning Post
Hong Kong needs its own home-based budget airline | South China Morning Post
Recent article here, authored by the JHK CEO, from the South China Morning Post
Hong Kong needs its own home-based budget airline | South China Morning Post
In most companies I would assume a letter like that might damage Mr Thompson's career. However, with a CEO like Dear Leader Elaine, such words could only add considerably to his bonus!
Outstanding work by that man - just the type of person to keep the people above him looking even better and even more worthy of bigger and better bonuses.
It makes you wonder why staff get so upset with a few sacrifices when you have Stephen Thompson's and Elaine looking after the greater good.
Could I be any prouder of my Management Team?
Outstanding work by that man - just the type of person to keep the people above him looking even better and even more worthy of bigger and better bonuses.
It makes you wonder why staff get so upset with a few sacrifices when you have Stephen Thompson's and Elaine looking after the greater good.
Could I be any prouder of my Management Team?
BGA's crash is 1/17 as interesting as one 777 crash?
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I'd pay something extra for this! Perhaps it is th eanswer, or at least part of it...
Tastefully luxurious solution
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It’s been an interesting 2-3 decades watching from the sidelines as Qantas, led by the various Napoleans, each vying to have his or her photograph on the front page sitting astride the white horse (or red kangaroo), pointing a cavalcade of compliant troops towards the horizon, has triumphantly set off to march upon Moscow on yet another step to world conquest and is now desperately attempting to save and recover what it can, if anything, in a bitter, humbling retreat to Paris. The retreat comes as no surprise to many of those watching this tragedy unfold. The trail home is becoming a trail of cast-offs: weary soldiers, aircraft, material, business divisions and most importantly: public trust. (Employee trust was an early casualty on the way outbound.)
What does come as a surprise to me is the fact that Qantas (board, management, staff, everyone) still fails to identify and correct basic bad company practices. Qantas lost the plot when it put “safety first” in response to media and political expectations. It’s a feel good statement that has little to do with business practice and reality, and doesn’t translate into employee actions that improve company competitiveness. In reality, it stymies employee innovation and inventiveness with an attitude that resists change.
Qantas (and Jetstar to a lesser extent) continues to ignore the customer. I say Jetstar to “a lesser extent”, because Jetstar passengers don’t expect much and get exactly what they expect. The lack of realization by the board and senior management that they have one division that is meeting customer expectations, while the parent airline is mired in directionless confusion and bickering, defies understanding.
Qantas’ woes can be neatly summarized by the pyjama fiasco of a few years ago. The company’s lack of organizational capability was so horrendous that flights were delayed and passengers were getting off because with all the layers of management, with all the talk about safety first, with all the bluster about “service”, with the focus on union busting and protecting turf, not one person could find the time or inclination to do the basics, check inventory, and keep the cupboards stocked with $10 pairs of PJ’s. Nothing’s changed!
Service on flights remains at the mercy of chance. One flight will be fabulous, and the next flight over the same route will be one of the worst experiences of a customer’s airline travelling resume. It’s been that way for 25 years now and remains un-addressed. The “gifting” of routes to Emirates was incomprehensible. It’s not how you run an airline, or any business and expect to be around for long. I feel bad for the employees, both past and present, who have to put up with this.
Do not expect a bail out from the federal government. The elected leaders have a gorilla in the closet with a ballooning national debt and an economy at risk of a similar Napoleanic retreat at either end of the see-saw. Can’t remember the source, but heard on the radio the other day that Australia is now THE most expensive country in the world for manufacturing and goods cost 30% more to produce in Australia as equivalent items in the USA.
I think many onlookers have given up on Qantas. It’ll take a Herculean effort to turn the ship away from running aground. Unfortunately, there’s no will to change course. Everyone still onboard, including the commanding officers, has the nearest lifeboat in their peripheral vision and is trying to make sure he/she is in a position to:
a) not miss identifying the moment to make a charge for the lifeboat, and;
b) grab and retain a prime seat amongst a crowd of desperate people with the same thoughts.
What does come as a surprise to me is the fact that Qantas (board, management, staff, everyone) still fails to identify and correct basic bad company practices. Qantas lost the plot when it put “safety first” in response to media and political expectations. It’s a feel good statement that has little to do with business practice and reality, and doesn’t translate into employee actions that improve company competitiveness. In reality, it stymies employee innovation and inventiveness with an attitude that resists change.
Qantas (and Jetstar to a lesser extent) continues to ignore the customer. I say Jetstar to “a lesser extent”, because Jetstar passengers don’t expect much and get exactly what they expect. The lack of realization by the board and senior management that they have one division that is meeting customer expectations, while the parent airline is mired in directionless confusion and bickering, defies understanding.
Qantas’ woes can be neatly summarized by the pyjama fiasco of a few years ago. The company’s lack of organizational capability was so horrendous that flights were delayed and passengers were getting off because with all the layers of management, with all the talk about safety first, with all the bluster about “service”, with the focus on union busting and protecting turf, not one person could find the time or inclination to do the basics, check inventory, and keep the cupboards stocked with $10 pairs of PJ’s. Nothing’s changed!
Service on flights remains at the mercy of chance. One flight will be fabulous, and the next flight over the same route will be one of the worst experiences of a customer’s airline travelling resume. It’s been that way for 25 years now and remains un-addressed. The “gifting” of routes to Emirates was incomprehensible. It’s not how you run an airline, or any business and expect to be around for long. I feel bad for the employees, both past and present, who have to put up with this.
Do not expect a bail out from the federal government. The elected leaders have a gorilla in the closet with a ballooning national debt and an economy at risk of a similar Napoleanic retreat at either end of the see-saw. Can’t remember the source, but heard on the radio the other day that Australia is now THE most expensive country in the world for manufacturing and goods cost 30% more to produce in Australia as equivalent items in the USA.
I think many onlookers have given up on Qantas. It’ll take a Herculean effort to turn the ship away from running aground. Unfortunately, there’s no will to change course. Everyone still onboard, including the commanding officers, has the nearest lifeboat in their peripheral vision and is trying to make sure he/she is in a position to:
a) not miss identifying the moment to make a charge for the lifeboat, and;
b) grab and retain a prime seat amongst a crowd of desperate people with the same thoughts.
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Ive used the term Shakespearian tragedy and compared Qf's CEO's to the insanity of Nazi Germany where outstanding soldiers were hamstrung by incomprehensible meddling from 'Berlin' but Napoleonic failure fits perfectly.
A very good summation of this train wreck of a once outstanding company - especially from an outsider.
The Board and senior 'team' have no idea of airlines outside the confines of Chairmans Lounges and petty political infighting. I doubt any of them have anything but the vaguest understanding of a galley, hangar workshop or cockpit yet they pride themselves in the public eye as being fully cogniscent of all these things.
The good staff at the top must have all left by now, either in despair or poached by those who do appreciate genuine airline people. This exodus is now filtering through to the lower echelons where despair and resignation is entrenched.
I can imagine how it must have felt for elite fighter pilots in fantastically advanced Me262's to attempt the impossible against unending hordes of US bombers. With little fuel, no spares, very few operational airfields and hopelessly outnumbered it was an impossible task, but one that was attempted on behalf of an evil, corrupt and incompetent leadership every day until the bitter end.
And the incompetents are only increasing their blame game against highly qualified, loyal staff, many competent in highly technical fields that those above simply fail to comprehend.
Napoleonic indeed. Every airline faces Russian Winters. Unfortunately this allows the culprits external blame for their incompetence and failure. It is a rare skill however to find a Russian Winter with a beloved, world renowned National Icon entrenched in the national psyche and based in the sunny climes of the South Pacific.
A very good summation of this train wreck of a once outstanding company - especially from an outsider.
The Board and senior 'team' have no idea of airlines outside the confines of Chairmans Lounges and petty political infighting. I doubt any of them have anything but the vaguest understanding of a galley, hangar workshop or cockpit yet they pride themselves in the public eye as being fully cogniscent of all these things.
The good staff at the top must have all left by now, either in despair or poached by those who do appreciate genuine airline people. This exodus is now filtering through to the lower echelons where despair and resignation is entrenched.
I can imagine how it must have felt for elite fighter pilots in fantastically advanced Me262's to attempt the impossible against unending hordes of US bombers. With little fuel, no spares, very few operational airfields and hopelessly outnumbered it was an impossible task, but one that was attempted on behalf of an evil, corrupt and incompetent leadership every day until the bitter end.
And the incompetents are only increasing their blame game against highly qualified, loyal staff, many competent in highly technical fields that those above simply fail to comprehend.
Napoleonic indeed. Every airline faces Russian Winters. Unfortunately this allows the culprits external blame for their incompetence and failure. It is a rare skill however to find a Russian Winter with a beloved, world renowned National Icon entrenched in the national psyche and based in the sunny climes of the South Pacific.
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Off topic V-Jet, but might be of interest to you:
http://www.pbs.org/program/nazi-megaweapons/
Click on the Jet Fighter ME262 link.
http://www.pbs.org/program/nazi-megaweapons/
Click on the Jet Fighter ME262 link.
Australia is now THE most expensive country in the world for manufacturing and goods cost 30% more to produce in Australia as equivalent items in the USA.
qantas is "in play" and has been for some years. Alan was put there to fail.
1. Drive price down.
2. Fire Alan and hire competent management.
3. Profit.
To put that another way, when he leaves, share price will double overnight.
1. Drive price down.
2. Fire Alan and hire competent management.
3. Profit.
To put that another way, when he leaves, share price will double overnight.
Most expensive country? Keep tolerating duopolies like Coles and Woolworths, the Four Big Banks and what did you expect?
Competition is what drives prices down. Australia has less competition each day....except in the jobs market, and thats the way Tony likes it.
Competition is what drives prices down. Australia has less competition each day....except in the jobs market, and thats the way Tony likes it.