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Old 6th Dec 2013, 22:01
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qantas is failing because management want it to fail

Bingo! $$ in store for all who have signed up for the game. Pawns are dispensable.
Shameful arrogant treatment of the public, government and of a once mighty airline by grubby little businessmen who are very close to their goal.
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Old 6th Dec 2013, 22:42
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Not to mention their loyal staff that bust their arses all hours day and night in all weather to get their aircraft serviceable
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Old 6th Dec 2013, 22:55
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Next play will be, "I've taken a pay cut , what about all of you?"
All on the pretext of saving the business, whereas in fact, it makes the business look even better as a sale proposition. Liabilities ( wages, leave owed- how many have been told to take all your leave owed? Makes the books look good!! ) reduced to a more attractive level.
The assets are there for all to see. "Make an offer" ... Spin, spin, spin...
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Old 6th Dec 2013, 23:54
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It's amazing and quite sad to read of the gloating in some circles about the impending demise of Qantas. I can't and don't understand the irrational debate about market forces and economic rationalist theory attached to the premise that Qantas if it can't compete then it should go bust. Australia is one of the wealthiest countries in the World with a standard of living the envy of most, with an enviable health care system and social security system yet we can't afford our own airline. As the only island continent in the World separated by vast distances from ourselves and everyone else we need to have a national airline for our own security. It's unbelievably stupid to rely on another country's goodwill in times of conflict and or regional tensions. No one at Qantas expects some sort of wind back to a government run airline but debate about the support given to other sovereign airlines flying in and out of Australia is needed. Aussie dollars effectively transported overseas are lost and for what. Economic rationalism in theory is all well and good but it doesn't apply across the airline industry any where. Totally flawed logic. Australia needs to keep Qantas Australian owned otherwise its yet another victim of a lost cultural identity. Much like Holden now looking down the barrel of no longer manufacturing in Australia we may lose Qantas as well. During times of war the car industries were called upon to build aircraft, tanks, weapons and anything else you care to mention. Talk about being exposed. Like walking around in a grass skirt with no undies on, just dumb. Imagine flying home the Olympic team on Air Bangladesh Airlines cause it was the cheapest. How pathetic.
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Old 6th Dec 2013, 23:55
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I have to admit that when this is all said and done, it will be at least a good result if the QSA gets torn up. It does seem stupid in this day and age to have such restraints put on a business from a governmental level when that business recieves no support of favouritism in return. Why not open up the flood gates to 'outside' investors etc. Who gives a toss about 'flag' carrier status anymore, passengers certainly don't.

As for what happens between now and then, I just hope that not to many of the front line staff have to pay the price for all this mismanagement and political posturing. Sadly though it does seem to be the way of the world.
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Old 6th Dec 2013, 23:58
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Couldn't agree more with all you say .
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Old 7th Dec 2013, 00:28
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So the tax payer should pay off the past decade of poor management?
Qantas has off shored so much capital with their futile overseas ventures, and we the Australian tax payers should top up their coffers so they can run other companies into the ground?
May as well put up billboards overseas saying don't bother investing in oz.
Tax payers saving a company that lobbied against the government saving ansett? So we can fly the Olympic team on a national carrier once every four years?
Government has options in times of emergency. Let alone that thing called the RAAF.
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Old 7th Dec 2013, 00:29
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More food for thought. Pilots amongst other staff are due for a pay rise I think in January. Wonder when the request for a pay freeze will come. With the credit downgrade comes the requirement I believe that the money for tickets purchased with credit cards only gets released to Qantas when the ticket is used. Lastly, travel insurance. If only one travel insurer refuses to cover Qantas tickets it's all over. Not good.
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Old 7th Dec 2013, 00:35
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McCrann doesn't seem to know much about what he writes.

There is NO such thing as Jetstar International. You have aircraft and pilots of Jetstar operating internationally and that is all. Jetstar has never reported international financial results separately and never will.

To roll "Jetstar International" into Qantas International would mean a transfer of pilots into Qantas and moving some aircraft off the J* register to the Qantas one. Re-brand them as Qantas and the current contract applies.

The only other alternative is to actually create "Jetstar International" which means another AOC. This would create an airline whose principle operation is international flying in and out of Australia, which would mean AIPA has automatic coverage of their pilots and contract. This was one of the primary reasons, other than reporting opacity, that Jetstar International never saw the light of day in the first place.

To those who doubt that VA's financial problems were the catalyst for this, remember that it reported a 100 Mill loss this year and is currently engaged in a turf and capacity war with a much larger rival. The cash injection from Etihad is also intended to weaken Qantas, with an eye to taking advantage lucrative routes outbound from Australia.
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Old 7th Dec 2013, 01:11
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Capt Kremin is right about McCrann's article.

Further to that, J*'s international sectors don't usually make money either. Look at the monthly traffic statistics and load factors.

J* also doesn't have all the requisite infrastructure and in house requirements that a stand alone airline has and needs but instead according to AJ pays Qantas fair value for these things, and if you truly believe that..... well enough said!

So if Qantas goes all of a sudden,J*'s free suck at the Qantas teat disappears and J*'s costs go up.

Why was it that Buchanan got the flick from J* really? Wasn't really to start a face cream business. Seem to recall some comment about the fact that the low cost carrier model didn't work with international flying or something like that. Don't think AJ liked that much!!
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Old 7th Dec 2013, 02:00
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I'd gladly forgo the 3% pay rise due in January.

But not for the current board or CEO.
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Old 7th Dec 2013, 02:11
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Seem's like an ideal time for Air New Zealand to buy Qantas.
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Old 7th Dec 2013, 03:31
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SIG,

Is seems almost surreal that that actually happened !

Go only knows what's in store this time, I've a feeling it won't be dull, these incompetent thieves at the top have to go.

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Old 7th Dec 2013, 03:50
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Fpvdude.

I wouldn't actually even entertain meaningful dialogue with the current mob.

Produce a new board and CEO then commence negotiations to mop up after the current mob.

We shouldn't forget the millions in efficiencies delivered only to see the cash put in dixons pocket in the form of bonuses.

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Old 7th Dec 2013, 04:08
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McCrann's article makes me feel physically sick as the father of two young kids.

Why don't we just shut down the whole country and encourage trade exposed Australian business to set up companies in Bangladesh?

Oh, Australian domestic consumers are allowed to continue to be gouged. But who are those domestic consumers going to be once everything moves offshore? This seems to be the one thing economists, financial geniuses and executive managers fail to grasp.

Not everyone can work in the financial sector, moving money around to apparently create wealth while, in reality, producing sweet FA.
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Old 7th Dec 2013, 04:15
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As much as I don't like what is happening, don't rely too much on contracts and who has coverage of what. No Qantas equals no employment contracts. Things can change very quickly, while people stand and wonder what the hell has just happened.
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Old 7th Dec 2013, 05:06
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The opportunity to fix this issue was lost when Joyce shut the airline down, the QANTAS workers should have point blank refused to return to work until he and the board removed their sorry arses from the company.
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Old 7th Dec 2013, 05:11
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First thing Monday the Victorian government should shift all its travel accounts to virgin. Other states except NSW and QLD should do likewise. No more blackmail over Avalon.

"National carrier" not. Tell them to stick their service up their backsides. Sydney-centric creeps.

Get rid of Qantas. No more blackmail.
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Old 7th Dec 2013, 05:37
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Is QF going to be another AN?..
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Old 7th Dec 2013, 05:38
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Perhaps this is also a time to rethink what a National Carrier is as well and align the objectives and entitlement to reality???
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