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MERGED: Alan's still not happy......

Old 12th Jan 2014, 03:12
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It is great to see the Aussie sense of humour and sarcasm is alive and well!!

Classic!
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Old 12th Jan 2014, 05:47
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Nice plan -438, but have you considered keeping a second A380 parked in jo'berg as an operational spare for tha Asian money truck?
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Old 12th Jan 2014, 07:54
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Nice plan -438, but have you considered keeping a second A380 parked in jo'berg as an operational spare for tha Asian money truck?
I heard a rumour... SYD- Joburg to be gifted to Emirates via Dubai. As good place as any for the ops spare. Coz there ain't much much money comin out of Asia.
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Old 12th Jan 2014, 08:13
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NM - Are you serious about SYD-JNB?
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Old 12th Jan 2014, 08:51
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EK has 3 flights a day to JNB.
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Old 12th Jan 2014, 09:00
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Sorry to say bit I heard the same thing about SYD JNB last week.
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Old 12th Jan 2014, 09:29
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Tragically it doesn't surprise me.

However, I am speechless. In a chocking on vomit kind of way.
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Old 12th Jan 2014, 09:53
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If its true, the wind down of International continues.
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Old 12th Jan 2014, 11:46
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Out here in the deep Oulduvai we were wondereing about the JNB route. If they can kill FRA against all contrary logic surely JNB cannot be far behind? As much as it pains my primitive brain to contemplate, that would dovetail with the plan to destroy the airline in order to save it.

Being a very primitive hominid, lacking the frontal lobes of even those }{##^* Cro-Magnon men someone will have to explain that strategy to me again. Evereything seems so abstract without an MBA
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Old 12th Jan 2014, 21:22
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Alan was seen departing Sydney on the QF1 yesterday. I wonder if he is off to Dubai to gift his best mate Tim Clark and Emirates some more of QFs best routes?
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Old 12th Jan 2014, 21:32
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Alan was seen departing Sydney on the QF1 yesterday. I wonder if he is off to Dubai to gift his best mate Tim Clark and Emirates some more of QFs best routes?
I know most here do not agree, but I still think Emirates will take Qantas over.
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Old 12th Jan 2014, 21:48
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If they want to run it as a going concern I could scarcely think of a better outcome. But why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free? Unless the Asian potential and Pacific actual markets are enough to entice them?

QF does have some unused strategic advantages that the current unimaginative, philistine pig-ignorant management have been unable to weave into a coherent whole.

(Of course a complete lack of vision, modesty and fleet plan will do that to you)
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Old 12th Jan 2014, 22:03
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Emirates will take Qantas over.
Although it is definitely NOT the outcome I would like to see, I heard the same exact rumour yesterday, so it is probably true.
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Old 12th Jan 2014, 22:23
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I can't see it happening. Politically they wouldn't let it happen.

However it does get Allan Joyce and Co off the hook. They can destroy the business they are supposed to be managing then let EK take over and they get out with reputation and money intact. The owners I imagine would get their money back and collect probably some of the billions in cash lying around and the left over QF super fund.

I imagine the strategy would be to shut down international, use the domestic feed and sell off Jetstar probably with some propping up in one way or another. EK would ramp up flights to all Australian cities and would also collect free access to the Pacific, which would impress the Americans no end.
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Old 12th Jan 2014, 22:33
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Maybe he's off to DXB to negotiate a swap....QF A380's for EK A350's...

A long range 2 engine jet for QF? Nah.....that might make the business profitable again...cant have that, can we?

Regardless of what happens in the next few months...the little maggots time at the helm is fast coming to an end. We can only hope that idiot Clifford goes with him
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Old 12th Jan 2014, 23:34
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Rumours are getting stronger, Emirates takeover of Qantas soon.

Maybe AJ has gone there not only to hand over the keys, but to do a deal for himself with the new owners.
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Old 12th Jan 2014, 23:36
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Not possible under the QSA.

Labor and Greens will not support a change so it will not be amended.

Government debt guarantee the most likely outcome.
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Old 12th Jan 2014, 23:42
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As there are 6 more B747's approaching the next "D" check, they will join the rest of the fleet at Victorville. As no replacement aircraft have been ordered (or optioned), it's obvious that more international routes will have to be abandoned (or gifted to Emirates). The JNB route (currently very high yielding) is probably the easiest one to drop by selling seats on EK but this will be very unpopular with the passengers as it means a very significant increase in travel time. SAA may take the opportunity to have a near monopoly on the SA-OZ route by adding to their daily JNB-PER operation and fly direct services to Sydney (providing they have the aircraft available). Other potential winners out of QF abandoning the route are SingAir and Malaysian as flights from East Coast Ausralia to JNB via Changi or KL would have shorter travel times than via Dubai.

Perhaps a decent investigative journalist will run with this before QF announces it, thus making it more difficult for this incompetent management to proceed with this plan.
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Old 13th Jan 2014, 01:24
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What The said: "Not possible under the QSA.

Labor and Greens will not support a change so it will not be amended.

Government debt guarantee the most likely outcome."

For as long as I have been around you'd think that I would know better than to postulate a sensible possibility as a likely outcome-like an EK buyout.

The government loan scenario is probably more likely, depressing as that is.

There must be a nifty German word to describe the happiness at keeping your airline alive a little longer coupled with the abject horror of watching your tax dollars further enable a pack of c*nts work to ensure its eventual extinction.
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Old 13th Jan 2014, 02:39
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There must be a nifty German word to describe the happiness at keeping your airline alive a little longer coupled with the abject horror of watching your tax dollars further enable a pack of c*nts work to ensure its eventual extinction.
Precisely. The loan guarantee simply enables "the game" to be continued for longer, and hence maximise their bezel. It further enables the continuation of the asset strip, not only impoverishing the shareholders & employees, but also the taxpayer.

Not one additional dollar will be put into an Australian based business if the government does decide to back the debt. Rent seeking at its finest.

The rhetorical question is why wouldn't they try it on? They have nothing to lose, and the potential to pick-up a large windfall tax payer rent seeker bonus.
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