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MERGED: Alan's still not happy......

Old 10th Dec 2013, 22:27
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Originally Posted by Ida down View Post
The The, many LH people would chase heavy metal OS, rather than do the brain numbing SH stuff.
Ida Down,

If you think SH is brain numbing, then what the hell do you think of 15hrs across the Pacific? A complete lobotomy if you ask me!
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Old 10th Dec 2013, 22:39
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If you think SH is brain numbing, then what the hell do you think of 15hrs across the Pacific? A complete lobotomy if you ask me!
Agreed. That is all.
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Old 10th Dec 2013, 22:43
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It's not a LH/SH thing, it's what gives you the most days off. They are both boring as bat shite at times.
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Old 10th Dec 2013, 23:27
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Transition, did both. I was a happy SH bloke, but forced into LH after dispute. They can keep it. But spent many years listening to why some preferred one to the other.( I must have a sympathetic face) And it would appear to me, that more often than not, is was family reasons or personal circumstances that made the decision. More so than money. The SH blokes complained about being bored witless, the LH blokes complained about being buggered. In other words, it was a normal conversation, you get on any flight deck, at any given time.
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Old 11th Dec 2013, 00:02
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So how do Emirates manage a lower cost base (if that's the difference) than Qantas?

They use some similar aircraft so fuel costs must be similar.

How much do their wages costs vary?
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Old 11th Dec 2013, 00:26
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......... and also cancel 2 of the reminding 380s on order?
According to the Fleet Manager, they were cancelled quite some time ago.
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Old 11th Dec 2013, 00:29
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We must never forget:

'The mistakes of management always appear on the bottom line'.

We must never forget, that Dixon and Gregg are not and will never be the 'white knights' that QANTAS and all you current staff need.
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Old 11th Dec 2013, 00:36
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??????? What do Alan wants??????
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Old 11th Dec 2013, 00:39
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Valid question cheer up.
I think that is the crux of the problem. I have no data to confirm or deny but the levels of ancillary staff per airframe would be a very enlightening figure to compare across many airlines and rate against qf numbers.
As would the average salary of ancillary staff numbers across other airlines vs qf.
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Old 11th Dec 2013, 01:20
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A man flying in a hot air balloon suddenly realizes he’s lost. He reduces height and spots a man down below. He lowers the balloon further and shouts to get directions, "Excuse me, can you tell me where I am?"

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"You must work in Information Technology," says the balloonist.

"I do" replies the man. "How did you know?"

"Well," says the balloonist, "everything you have told me is technically correct, but It's of no use to anyone."

The man below replies, "You must work in management."

"I do," replies the balloonist, "But how'd you know?"*

"Well", says the man, "you don’t know where you are or where you’re going, but you expect me to be able to help. You’re in the same position you were before we met, but now it’s my fault."
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Old 11th Dec 2013, 01:47
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A man took a job as a senior executive of a large company. It was his first big promotion to a job of this caliber and he was replacing a man who had been fired not long ago. On his first day, he walked into his large office with its skyline view and thick carpeting. While setting up his office, he came across three envelopes in the desk. The envelopes were numbered “One”, “Two” and “Three”. The envelope labeled “One” had written on the front “Open This Now” while the other two said “Do Not Open Yet” on them. He opened the first envelope. A letter inside had been written to him by his predecessor. On it, the former executive told the new executive how to be successful.
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Old 11th Dec 2013, 02:02
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Alan wants what's good for Alan
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Old 11th Dec 2013, 02:37
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VH Cheer Up. For a start they don't have unions. Imagine fronting some Sheik with demands. You would end up with the same fate as the cattle, and not stunned first. Two, they are not exactly short of fuel, just drill another hole if need be. The day the Arab airlines go broke, is the day we can all retire into a hole, and stay there.
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Old 11th Dec 2013, 02:48
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Alan Joyce.

Oh, I thought we were doing management jokes...
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Old 11th Dec 2013, 02:58
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Can someone please alert Alan Joyce that the company most working in favour of Singapore's interests is none other than his very own company? By continually pumping hundreds of millions of dollars into Jetstar Asia, he is bringing untold number of tourists into Singapore while running a loss making outfit. By transferring flights from JQ to 3K, he is creating many jobs in Singapore (though on my last 3K flight the flight crew and cabin crew were mostly non locals). So when Alan Joyce says that Virgin Australia is working in the interests of Singapore, Abu Dhabi and New Zealand:

Qantas has Jetconnect which employs Kiwis and creates jobs there
Qantas funnels all its pax to Dubai strengthening them as an air hub
Qantas invests hundreds of millions in Jetstar Asia, creating many jobs in the Singapore economy and employing many Singaporeans.

As a Singaporean taxpayer, from my point of view, SQ is taking money out of Singapore and throwing it at Virgin Australia, unsure of whether it will get any returns. Qantas however, is taking money out of Australia and merrily investing it in Singapore without any returns but at great benefit to the local economy. I should thank QF on behalf of my country for the great service they have done to our nation, expecting absolutely nothing in return!
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Old 11th Dec 2013, 04:59
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First cab off the rank (excuse the pun) Holden, gone. A quivering Labor is blaming...................................Abbott. Next!
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Old 11th Dec 2013, 05:10
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And I see that Jetstar is about to fly Melbourne-Tokyo. Why is Qantas not flying the route in it own right? Will high yield passangers be interested in what Jetstar laughingly calls Buisness Class?

The whole thing is a travesty.
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Old 11th Dec 2013, 05:30
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IF you wonder why some of our competitiors have such an advantage consider that SQ have a vastly different perspective which focus extensively on efficiency and productivity. Just a few examples:

-SQ acknowledges that they aren't a low cost country and have recently setup a heavy maintenance facility in the Philipines. High technical content tasks will still be done in SIN but less complex work makes sense even for them to offshore.

- SQ's catering processes are so good they can upload staff/duty travel meals to any aircraft in Changi with 45mins notice. Needless to say the catering for customers is spot on.

- Unions and management work together to ensure staff are working efficently. As all employees are eligible for incentive pay, it is within both parties interests to weed out dead wood. This also extends to sick leave where SQ have their own medical centre where employees must obtain their medical certificates. The great Aussie sickie doesn't pass too easily over there.

- SIAEC's culture is based around continuous improvement. Check out their website on the cultural tab. They all do the training which is referred to as productivity training.

- Remember 1980 when the SIN prime minister threatened shut the airline down and restart from scratch? Didn't know that? Alan's little stunt was actually copied from Singapore, which at the time clearly articulated that a small, resource devoid nation couldn't be held to ransom by any group and must be the most efficient operation in all industries which it wished to compete. The threat has been rolled out several times since but SQ have a sustainable business model.

These guys have been doing process and productivity improvement for a long time and we are very far behind. They work with the unions and at times make tough decisions for the betterment of the country. Yes this means less jobs but it also maintains the highest level of sustainable wages. It is a simple choice, focus extensively on the maximizing productivity to meet the customer needs or let someone else do it for us.
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Old 11th Dec 2013, 05:35
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I think that is the crux of the problem. I have no data to confirm or deny but the levels of ancillary staff per airframe would be a very enlightening figure to compare across many airlines and rate against qf numbers.
As would the average salary of ancillary staff numbers across other airlines vs qf.
Didn't AIPA send out an email regarding QF vs VA staff numbers per aircraft a while back? I can't remember the exact numbers but I believe there were fewer QF pilots per aircraft than virgin but much higher numbers of overall staff (management) per aircraft in QF??
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Old 11th Dec 2013, 05:40
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BA Engineering 20 FTE/Aircraft vs Large Aus Airline at close to 40
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