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flying nearly fifteen year old A330 around that will be ready for retirement in five years.
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The oldest QF A332 is just coming up to 12 years old and the oldest A333 is 11 years old.
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1A Thank you i stand corrected ok not NEARLY fifteen but twelve.These Amazing decisions date back quite a few years,Like flying -200 domestically and -300 internationally whats brains trust.
TOULOUSE, France, 05 December 2002
Qantas today entered a new era when it took delivery of its first Airbus aircraft in Toulouse, France.
Qantas Chief Executive Officer Geoff Dixon said the Airbus A330-200 was one of 13 A330s to be added to the Qantas fleet over the next three years as part of the airline's comprehensive fleet plan.
'Over the past 82 years, Qantas has earned a reputation as a leader in aircraft selection and fleet planning. Today marks another milestone in the airline's history,' Mr Dixon said.
The two-class 300-seat A330-200 will be used on key Cityflyer routes between Sydney and Brisbane, Melbourne and Perth. The A330-300 aircraft that will be delivered late next year will provide for growth on regional international routes.
Mr Dixon said the arrival of the A330-200 highlighted the airline's ongoing and substantial investment in new aircraft and improved product for its passengers.
'We have worked with Airbus to come up with an enhanced cabin design which provides more personal space for every passenger and one of the quietest cabins in the sky,' he said.
The Qantas A330-200 is the first Airbus aircraft to be fitted with the manufacturer's new cabin interior. Features include:
* Sculptured walls and higher ceilings to provide more elbow and headroom* Intelligent lighting systems throughout the cabin to create a relaxing and welcoming environment* The largest overhead storage space of any domestic aircraft* Millennium Business Class seats and international-standard Slimline Economy Class seats with fabric inspired by the sea fauna of Australia's tropical reefs* Stylish bathrooms with black granite-styled benchtops and larger mirrors
Mr Dixon said dual aerobridges had been built at Sydney, Melbourne and Brisbane airports to increase passenger access to the new aircraft.
The A330-200 aircraft is scheduled to operate its first commercial service early in the New Year.
TOULOUSE, France, 05 December 2002
Qantas today entered a new era when it took delivery of its first Airbus aircraft in Toulouse, France.
Qantas Chief Executive Officer Geoff Dixon said the Airbus A330-200 was one of 13 A330s to be added to the Qantas fleet over the next three years as part of the airline's comprehensive fleet plan.
'Over the past 82 years, Qantas has earned a reputation as a leader in aircraft selection and fleet planning. Today marks another milestone in the airline's history,' Mr Dixon said.
The two-class 300-seat A330-200 will be used on key Cityflyer routes between Sydney and Brisbane, Melbourne and Perth. The A330-300 aircraft that will be delivered late next year will provide for growth on regional international routes.
Mr Dixon said the arrival of the A330-200 highlighted the airline's ongoing and substantial investment in new aircraft and improved product for its passengers.
'We have worked with Airbus to come up with an enhanced cabin design which provides more personal space for every passenger and one of the quietest cabins in the sky,' he said.
The Qantas A330-200 is the first Airbus aircraft to be fitted with the manufacturer's new cabin interior. Features include:
* Sculptured walls and higher ceilings to provide more elbow and headroom* Intelligent lighting systems throughout the cabin to create a relaxing and welcoming environment* The largest overhead storage space of any domestic aircraft* Millennium Business Class seats and international-standard Slimline Economy Class seats with fabric inspired by the sea fauna of Australia's tropical reefs* Stylish bathrooms with black granite-styled benchtops and larger mirrors
Mr Dixon said dual aerobridges had been built at Sydney, Melbourne and Brisbane airports to increase passenger access to the new aircraft.
The A330-200 aircraft is scheduled to operate its first commercial service early in the New Year.
Age is not the sole arbiter for retiring an aircraft from the fleet.
787 deliveries on hold
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flying nearly fifteen year old A330 around that will be ready for retirement in five years.
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there are no orders or options for mainline.
Now whether the stated profitability hurdles for these to be converted are being met is another matter.
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Thanks for the apology - although none is required.
In turn I apologise if I came on a little strong, I realise my opening was quite aggressive.
The reason: many years ago after Ansett went down - when Jetstar was being established and onwards - there were a lot of angry posters who were saying "people shouldn't apply or accept positions because it's not the conditions I had and they would be conspirators with management in the decline of our profession and............." etc etc.
I thought we might be returning to those days - hence my post.
It seems we may actually be on a similar page, I hope you continue to enjoy your second career and reflect fondly on the past.
Cheers
galdian
Thanks for the apology - although none is required.
In turn I apologise if I came on a little strong, I realise my opening was quite aggressive.
The reason: many years ago after Ansett went down - when Jetstar was being established and onwards - there were a lot of angry posters who were saying "people shouldn't apply or accept positions because it's not the conditions I had and they would be conspirators with management in the decline of our profession and............." etc etc.
I thought we might be returning to those days - hence my post.
It seems we may actually be on a similar page, I hope you continue to enjoy your second career and reflect fondly on the past.
Cheers
galdian
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Age is not the sole arbiter for retiring an aircraft from the fleet
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Jetstar set to become Australia’s main international airline
Qantas to wind back overseas routes as Jetstar set to become Australia’s main international airline
No Cookies | Herald Sun
Well they finally did it..... as I said before on here, they all knew in Canberra as well....
We now know why the little bloke has been quiet... destruction of brand Qantas International complete!
I love the bit on the new Mc Perry Menu for Q domestic
Alan's happy again... his baby got up! (baby food included)
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/travel/t...=1408642390635
note: at the time of posting this story, it was only in the Herald Sun (melb) so still could be a planted distraction which may get denied again tomorrow... who knows with this lot...
my bold
JETSTAR is set to become Australia’s main international carrier as Qantas looks to wind back its worst performing arm.
Chief financial officer Gareth Evans has confirmed about half of the group’s $2 billion in cuts will come from Qantas International, which lost $262 million in the last six-months of 2013.
As a result, the Flying Kangaroo could be reduced to just a handful of “protected” international routes between Australia and the US and New Zealand.
BOXED UP: Qantas meals get Maccas-style makeover
That would allow the airline to reduce costs by transferring more of its operations to Jetstar which is based on a budget model, with cheaper staffing and running costs.
Qantas former chief economist Tony Webber said it was fairly clear the airline was working towards Jetstar taking on the bulk of its international work.
WARNING: Qantas urged not to sell out frequent flyers
He pointed to the establishment of Jetstar Asia and the announcement 14 new Dreamliner aircraft purchased by the group would go to the budget carrier rather than Qantas.
“They really feel that Jetstar is the saviour of the company, and have grown Jetstar at a much faster pace,” said Mr Webber.
“Even though Jetstar Asia is doing really poorly, they’ve invested too much time and effort to just give it away.”
CUTBACKS: Qantas mulls frequent flyer options
He said it made more sense for Qantas International to withdraw from routes where it faced fierce competition from other carriers including Jetstar.
“What I think they should do, is almost what Virgin’s doing — keep some relatively short sector international flying, some of the US routes that are protected and more or less outsource the other routes,” Mr Webber said.
“That’s probably the future of Qantas.”
Aviation consultant Bill Meeke said the iconic carrier had been “painted into a corner” whereby it had to get out of its high-cost, legacy airline activities and transfer them to the low-cost options of QantasLink, Jetstar domestic and Jetstar international.
“The problem is the unions will frustrate any and all efforts to get things restructured on to a low cost footing,” said Mr Meeke.
Bulking up Jetstar operations at the expense of Qantas International would save on employee costs. Picture: Nikki Short
Australian Licensed Aircraft Engineers Association secretary Steve Purvinas said Qantas was deliberately running down its international arm to prop up Jetstar.
“We see first hand the bills for maintenance carried out on Jetstar aircraft going onto the Qantas International books,” said Mr Purvinas.
“The international business has very healthy loads on the flights but customers are being lost across the group because people would prefer to fly Qantas instead of Jetstar.”
Deputy Prime Minister and Minister for Regional Development and Infrastructure Warren Truss said he was confident Qantas was “dealing with its financial situation”.
“I have no expectation that the (financial) announcements next week are likely to be so grave they would require any sort of government intervention,” said Mr Truss.
“Qantas knows they need to operate profitably. Other airlines are expected to do that and stand on their own two feet.”
Chief financial officer Gareth Evans has confirmed about half of the group’s $2 billion in cuts will come from Qantas International, which lost $262 million in the last six-months of 2013.
As a result, the Flying Kangaroo could be reduced to just a handful of “protected” international routes between Australia and the US and New Zealand.
BOXED UP: Qantas meals get Maccas-style makeover
That would allow the airline to reduce costs by transferring more of its operations to Jetstar which is based on a budget model, with cheaper staffing and running costs.
Qantas former chief economist Tony Webber said it was fairly clear the airline was working towards Jetstar taking on the bulk of its international work.
WARNING: Qantas urged not to sell out frequent flyers
He pointed to the establishment of Jetstar Asia and the announcement 14 new Dreamliner aircraft purchased by the group would go to the budget carrier rather than Qantas.
“They really feel that Jetstar is the saviour of the company, and have grown Jetstar at a much faster pace,” said Mr Webber.
“Even though Jetstar Asia is doing really poorly, they’ve invested too much time and effort to just give it away.”
CUTBACKS: Qantas mulls frequent flyer options
He said it made more sense for Qantas International to withdraw from routes where it faced fierce competition from other carriers including Jetstar.
“What I think they should do, is almost what Virgin’s doing — keep some relatively short sector international flying, some of the US routes that are protected and more or less outsource the other routes,” Mr Webber said.
“That’s probably the future of Qantas.”
Aviation consultant Bill Meeke said the iconic carrier had been “painted into a corner” whereby it had to get out of its high-cost, legacy airline activities and transfer them to the low-cost options of QantasLink, Jetstar domestic and Jetstar international.
“The problem is the unions will frustrate any and all efforts to get things restructured on to a low cost footing,” said Mr Meeke.
Bulking up Jetstar operations at the expense of Qantas International would save on employee costs. Picture: Nikki Short
Australian Licensed Aircraft Engineers Association secretary Steve Purvinas said Qantas was deliberately running down its international arm to prop up Jetstar.
“We see first hand the bills for maintenance carried out on Jetstar aircraft going onto the Qantas International books,” said Mr Purvinas.
“The international business has very healthy loads on the flights but customers are being lost across the group because people would prefer to fly Qantas instead of Jetstar.”
Deputy Prime Minister and Minister for Regional Development and Infrastructure Warren Truss said he was confident Qantas was “dealing with its financial situation”.
“I have no expectation that the (financial) announcements next week are likely to be so grave they would require any sort of government intervention,” said Mr Truss.
“Qantas knows they need to operate profitably. Other airlines are expected to do that and stand on their own two feet.”
Well they finally did it..... as I said before on here, they all knew in Canberra as well....
We now know why the little bloke has been quiet... destruction of brand Qantas International complete!
I love the bit on the new Mc Perry Menu for Q domestic
Alan's happy again... his baby got up! (baby food included)
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/travel/t...=1408642390635
note: at the time of posting this story, it was only in the Herald Sun (melb) so still could be a planted distraction which may get denied again tomorrow... who knows with this lot...
my bold
Last edited by TIMA9X; 21st Aug 2014 at 17:35.
I flew Jetstar by accident last week. I won't be doing it again if I can avoid it. I am quite prepared to pay more to avoid being squashed into the tiniest seat pitch in the known world with hundreds of bogans - the one next to me couldn't even understand how to undo a seat belt. A successful evacuation in such an aircraft would be an impossibility. No IFE and the cramped conditions means that eating and drinking is a waste of time and energy.
As for flying Jetstar internationally, shirley you must be joking. No one in their right mind willl willingly submit to cramped conditions and crap service on a long trip except an uneducated, first time flyer bogan.
My girlfriend and I have used all our Qantas frequent flyer points as well in anticipation of their value being downgraded.
As for flying Jetstar internationally, shirley you must be joking. No one in their right mind willl willingly submit to cramped conditions and crap service on a long trip except an uneducated, first time flyer bogan.
My girlfriend and I have used all our Qantas frequent flyer points as well in anticipation of their value being downgraded.
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youngest daughter flew back to MEL from AMS on monday. Emirates 380 from AMS to DXB absolutely full, Qantas 380 from DXB to MEL barely half full. The service on Qantas was far superior than Emirates but i believe that the Emirates flights have much higher loads than Qantas so why is this? The fares seem to be the same.
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Whats that smell.....
Mr Truss,
This plan was devised and polished over six years in opposition and now its time. Your party has been complicit in every way. I suspect in return for allowing this mob to destroy a national icon for personal gain, you will use what's left of the greatest brand this countries people ever produced to unfairly attack the unions and ultimately bring back the nastiest parts of work choices. Your governments efforts to whip up the perfect storm to trigger a double disillusion election has been breathtakingly obvious. Who would have thought a self centred fat mans love couldn't be bought. You guys were never going to last a full first term being dictated to by an unruly senate. This brand is 33000 peoples passion and livelihoods. This brand was built by the people of Australia. The behaviour of this board will never be forgotten. Nor will your government on polling day. 33000 people Mr Truss. Sh!t really does happen, and you stink to high heaven....
KR
This plan was devised and polished over six years in opposition and now its time. Your party has been complicit in every way. I suspect in return for allowing this mob to destroy a national icon for personal gain, you will use what's left of the greatest brand this countries people ever produced to unfairly attack the unions and ultimately bring back the nastiest parts of work choices. Your governments efforts to whip up the perfect storm to trigger a double disillusion election has been breathtakingly obvious. Who would have thought a self centred fat mans love couldn't be bought. You guys were never going to last a full first term being dictated to by an unruly senate. This brand is 33000 peoples passion and livelihoods. This brand was built by the people of Australia. The behaviour of this board will never be forgotten. Nor will your government on polling day. 33000 people Mr Truss. Sh!t really does happen, and you stink to high heaven....
KR
Last edited by Acute Instinct; 22nd Aug 2014 at 00:02.
It is NOT the govt's job to re nationalise Qantas. They thought the best guys for the job were employed to run it, I don't think you can lay personal blame that a board approved (nay, set out to complete) mass destruction of a world beating Icon over 15 years on various governments.
The tragedy is, by the time they have finally 'announced' the ruination of Qantas, it rates little more than a footnote in a Melbourne paper. They have trashed it to the point no one cares.
How long will Jetstar last on its own? With nice lounges admittedly....
The tragedy is, by the time they have finally 'announced' the ruination of Qantas, it rates little more than a footnote in a Melbourne paper. They have trashed it to the point no one cares.
How long will Jetstar last on its own? With nice lounges admittedly....
Re "The Advertiser"...
I love the way some apparent "Qantas angels" have jumped into the Advertiser's comments section so quickly; bagging out the employees/unions and throwing around the usual inaccurate and/or misleading 'facts' about pilot and flight attendant pay and work rates.
Sweeping generalisations like;
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I'd like to ask a "Qantas angel" an few questions then:
1. How many is "some"? (what proportion of the total Number of pilots/cabin crew)
2. Are any of the "some" from the pool of 'ordinary' crew or are you including managers?
3. Are you forgetting to inform your audience of the massive annual leave assignments in some sections of QF which dilutes the amount of work able to be done?
4. Should you remind your audience of the substantial down-sizing of the Qantas mainline fleet which has created surpluses of people and dilutes individual productivity in the departments to which you refer?
5. Can you explain the extremely poor 'trust in management' scores found in Qantas in-house research, and what part executive management has played in those results?
6. Please tell me where I can buy a computer which can;
- administer first aid to a passenger having an inflight heart attack, or
- land an A330 with a severe flight control computer malfunction, or
- successfully return to an airport an A380 severely damaged after a engine explosion or a 747 after an unprecedented oxygen cylinder rupture, or
- perform a pre-flight walk-around of an airliner.
I'LL BUY ONE OF THOSE!
Sweeping generalisations like;
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some pilots are paid over $500,000
working only a few hours a week for something a computer can do far better.
some cabin staff earn over $150,000
1. How many is "some"? (what proportion of the total Number of pilots/cabin crew)
2. Are any of the "some" from the pool of 'ordinary' crew or are you including managers?
3. Are you forgetting to inform your audience of the massive annual leave assignments in some sections of QF which dilutes the amount of work able to be done?
4. Should you remind your audience of the substantial down-sizing of the Qantas mainline fleet which has created surpluses of people and dilutes individual productivity in the departments to which you refer?
5. Can you explain the extremely poor 'trust in management' scores found in Qantas in-house research, and what part executive management has played in those results?
6. Please tell me where I can buy a computer which can;
- administer first aid to a passenger having an inflight heart attack, or
- land an A330 with a severe flight control computer malfunction, or
- successfully return to an airport an A380 severely damaged after a engine explosion or a 747 after an unprecedented oxygen cylinder rupture, or
- perform a pre-flight walk-around of an airliner.
I'LL BUY ONE OF THOSE!
Ben has nailed it again...but is anyone listening and is it too late! Bring on the Class Action!
From Crikey:
Is Qantas committed to being dragged down by Jetstar? | Plane Talking
From Crikey:
Is Qantas committed to being dragged down by Jetstar? | Plane Talking