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Old 9th Aug 2014, 06:14
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You guys are out to depress aren't you??

250 Qantas Angels..... I would so dearly want to think that is a joke, or even better, they were LAME's or Pilots (or anyone who might know how lift is formed) but that is priceless. The way to run an airline and defend it against appalling results is just so obvious... 'Qantas Angels'... Of course... I couldn't have come up with that in a million years!!

Ye gods!!
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Old 9th Aug 2014, 06:41
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You could not make this stuff up.
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Old 9th Aug 2014, 09:21
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I am contemplating living in a world with Qantas Angels. it is a bleak prospect. Do they expect no one to see the attendant irony in having a reserve corps of people with whom to swamp social media to drown out critics? It is a ghastly development that only the most jaded propagandist would have embraced.

A pretty good way to quiet the critics is to actually provide a great product, which includes a rational fleet and a rational management.

Qantas Angels. Bah!
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Old 9th Aug 2014, 10:04
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There are a couple of regulars who turn up in the comments section of 'Plane Talking' to defend Joyce every time Ben voices any criticism. Qantas Angels perhaps? Although it seems to be pretty much a full-time job, so maybe not.
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Old 9th Aug 2014, 10:51
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Trying to control the opinions of fellow Australians using social media? I wonder if they even realize that the Australian public are smart enough to see through this bullcrap. Talk about control freaks.

A pretty good way to quiet the critics is to actually provide a great product, which includes a rational fleet and a rational management.
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Old 9th Aug 2014, 11:02
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Bullcrap. Talk about control freaks.
No.. They are absolutely totally incompetent. They ARE on a runaway train and have been so for 15 years. They cant control anything and are grasping at straws.

Total, disgraceful incompetence. Watching these idiots is like watching a Slo Mo train crash, knowing whats going to happen and having to watch it frame by frame for 15 YEARS...

It makes me sick..

It could have all been SO different...

You are paid to do a job - DO IT.. No training, No understanding... Why do I waste my breath...,


From behind the paywall of The Oz 11/8/14.

FORMER Fairfax chief executive Brian McCarthy says the media company he once led is “no longer a serious, long-term media alternative” after disastrous decisions taken under the chairmanship of Roger Corbett, who he said lacks knowledge and experience in the media industry.

In an exclusive interview, Mr McCarthy said it is “obvious” recent events including publication of an anti-Semitic cartoon, columnist Mike Carlton’s abuse of readers and the quality of editorial management, were a direct result of the loss of experience on the Fairfax board.

“The current management and staff difficulties are the direct result of questionable strategic decisions taken by the board over many years,’’ he told The Australian. “It is the board — themselves lacking media knowledge, experience and understanding over many years — that thrust external business consultants, also of questionable knowledge, experience and understanding in and of the media sector into Fairfax.
Carbon copy of QF....

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Old 10th Aug 2014, 23:34
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So how much do the angels get paid compared to their boss??
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Old 11th Aug 2014, 00:19
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Danger

So how much do the angels get paid compared to their boss??
Once we see the standard of their English we will be able to guess whether they are on-shore or off-shored. An off-shored social media Quangle protagonist should cost no more than $20 a week (it's part time). $20 x 250 = $5k weekly - cheaper than a single market one-off 30 second TV spot with the added advantage the great unwashed will struggle to determine whether a Quangle is a QF fanboi with an alternative viewpoint, or whether they are simply a company shill.

As a PR strategy, I hate to say, it's a master stroke. The internet is forever, so it provides lasting disinformation on a Goebbels-like scale, and cheap to boot!

Of course, if integrity is important to you, then sorry, it doesn't measure up.
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Old 11th Aug 2014, 00:26
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good point MOA999

Of course she was around "obLivious" of the impact for getting the social media medium wrong... the "reason" why people started to fly with everyone else when they went banana's about pyjamas.... ...

Qantas in new social media fail with #QantasLuxury hashtag backlash - mUmBRELLA



No idea..
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Old 11th Aug 2014, 00:36
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Once the social media world gets wind of this strategy then Qantas will be branded as forever untrustworthy. I imagine that there are other cynical companies doing this too, which further saddens me.

The only reason to have 250 of these trolls is to outnumber the critics, each with a slightly unique writing style but the same message. Gaming the media that way is perfectly emblematic of our executive and management. Lets not fix the problem, lets talk over the critics so that they can't be heard.

Maybe social media and Olivia deserve each other. We sure as hell don't deserve her.
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Old 11th Aug 2014, 04:20
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Qantas will be branded as forever untrustworthy
Already happened. According to the recent Readers Digest survey of most trusted Australian brands, Qantas, was nowhere to be seen.

Just very sad.
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Old 11th Aug 2014, 05:04
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Presumably the "Qantas Angels" are bought with freebies, upgrades and lounge memberships like most politicians. Nothing so vulgar as cash.
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Old 11th Aug 2014, 05:06
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Nothing so vulgar as cash.
Priceless!
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Old 11th Aug 2014, 10:34
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250?

Clearly the 250 'angels' will be needed on 28/8 24/7 for a month of Sundays.
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Old 11th Aug 2014, 10:36
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Probably already having regular choir practice.
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Old 11th Aug 2014, 22:00
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I wonder what fiction they can produce from our award to blame the pilots this time, those naughty angels.
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Old 11th Aug 2014, 23:10
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"Consolidation is the way of the future for the aviation industry. But at the same time it never happens quickly."
He's right on the money when he says this doesn't happen quickly, because first you must split long haul & short haul and create two AOC's before consolidating it all back to one
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Old 13th Aug 2014, 07:12
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In the US, investors such as Carl Icahn and Kirk Kerkorian have used minority shareholdings to push for changes at companies including Apple and General Motors. The dearth of such activism in Australia had led to a lack of board accountability, contributing to investment capital being misspent, Carnegie said, pointing to wasteful spending in the country's natural gas export projects.
Australian companies would be more likely to spend wisely with shareholder activists on their case, said the managing director of private equity firm MH Carnegie & Co.

Carnegie sought to change Qantas's strategic direction in 2012 alongside former airline executives. That year, he also teamed up with Australia's richest woman Gina Rinehart in an attempt to influence Fairfax Media, publisher of BusinessDay.
my bold
It's all coming to the surface.... and not before time...
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Old 13th Aug 2014, 08:49
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Special Board Meeting

Anyone else heard the rumour of a Special meeting of the board in the near future; certainly before the results are announced?

Rumour suggests that the primary topic of conversation will centre on the future of certain senior execs.

Alan & Ms Jayne may be particularly unhappy........

....but it is only a whisper.....
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Old 13th Aug 2014, 09:28
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Another excuse for a very expensive luncheon, methinks.

This Board of [email protected]@ls have presided over this plane wreck for years. What has changed now?
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