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Old 7th Aug 2014, 22:05
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As the war of words between America and Russia hots up, how smart does sending all your maintenance and overhaul overseas and outside your immediate and direct local control look today?
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Old 7th Aug 2014, 22:33
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Consolidation is the future! Start with your own airline you clown! One AOC, One Airline! Save a fortune!
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Old 8th Aug 2014, 00:29
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As the war of words between America and Russia hots up, how smart does sending all your maintenance and overhaul overseas and outside your immediate and direct local control look today?
I assume Virgin would be in alot of trouble then?
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Old 8th Aug 2014, 01:18
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I assume Virgin would be in alot of trouble then?
Not from anyone at Coward St.....
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Old 8th Aug 2014, 02:36
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As the war of words between America and Russia hots up, how smart does sending all your maintenance and overhaul overseas and outside your immediate and direct local control look today?
Not very... But it sure makes the decision to not buy Antonov, Ilyushin, Irkut, Sukhoi or Tupolev products look really smart. Always a positive in any crisis!

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Old 8th Aug 2014, 04:49
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Strategy

It seems pretty simple to me.

By Shrinking QANTAS, and growing Jetstar they are reducing the liabilities of legacy airline conditions such as leave, superannuation,pay awards, over staffing, maintenance costs,infrastructure costs and probably a myriad of other things.
When Jetstar becomes a bigger airline than QANTAS ie if it gets to the point that Qantas is a quarter of the size of Jetstar. They could sell off say 75% to 90% of Jetstar which is the greater component at this stage of the QANTAS group and not beholden to the QANTAS sales act, essentially they will have bypassed the Qantas sales act and for the greater part got rid of 75% of their legacy conditions.
This is obviously a long term strategy which can only be accomplished over a long time, maybe a decade or two
The only problem with this strategy is that Jetstar is not making the projected profits and growth to financially accomplish this, and the danger and risk which is being realised is that the billion dollars that they have stashed away to support this strategy notwithstanding a shortage of income from Jetstar coupled with higher than expected set up costs and regulatory difficulties involved with launching Jetstar Japan and Hong Kong, plus fierce completion from Virgin are factors that are bleeding the group dry.
Consequently this high risk strategy may potentially bankrupt the whole QANTAS group.
They have rolled the dice and set the train in motion, and like any gamble or runaway train, the end result may by now be well and truly out of their hands.
Just a theory, which if close to the truth, probably seemed like a good plan at the time !
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Old 8th Aug 2014, 04:59
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They have rolled the dice and set the train in motion, and like any gamble or runaway train, the end result may by now be well and truly out of their hands.
Brilliant post Collando, and on the money, Kudos!

They are gambling thousands of good people's jobs with a poor strategy and the board and management team will get away with it whether it works or not, in my view, corporate Australia is sick.
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Old 8th Aug 2014, 05:56
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I have seen that kind of assessment written before. The question that always bubbles to the surface though is: why? If you were about to embark on a long game of reducing terms and conditions you could do it quicker and easier with dialogue (and a long-running propaganda game). The end result would be better, you would capture hearts and minds along the way and you'd still have an airline.

I'd wager that properly staged, without that asinine lock-out, most of Jetstar and the idiotic Asian sideshows, they could have had us on 10% less money for 10% more work by now. And a better fleet, and a billion & a half more in the bank and a credit rating and some credibility.

From my foxhole I am glad they didn't, but I despair for all of my junior colleagues caught out there in the open.

I still reckon the entire sorry spectacle has been performed by looters as Management Theatre, and the show has been underwritten by unwitting mums and dads courtesy of their retirement funds. The circle is completed by the fund managers whooping it up with Clifford and the boys in the Chairmans Lounge, first class cabins and wherever fine Rockpool grub is sold. It ain't their money on the line after all, but it is their butts in those swanky first class seats.

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Old 8th Aug 2014, 06:37
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I will say this again. What I fail to understand is how Joyce still has a job. Everything he has suggested, pondered about or tried has failed. From Red Q to Jetstar Hong Kong.

But he is still there. So the board must think he is doing a wonderful job at destroying Qantas.

So the question we all want answered is why do they want to do this? Because the way I see it, they might not just take down Qantas, but the whole Qantas group.
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Old 8th Aug 2014, 07:04
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I am not convinced that he is, in any significant way, still here.
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Old 8th Aug 2014, 07:08
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I must say, he has been somewhat invisible of late.
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Old 8th Aug 2014, 08:23
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SOPS.

AJ couldn't even get traction on his "personal threat" claims.

I believe there is a lot of posturing going on in the background.

Potential CEO's & or Chairmans are waiting for AJ to hit coffin corner first.

They don't want to get caught in AJ's self induced upset, they want to see the upset happen & then come in to initiate the recovery manoeuvre.

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Old 8th Aug 2014, 10:21
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Well yeah, they are keeping him in the cupboard until 28/8, after which he will have to suffer the ignominy of a $ ten million payout, then we will get Qantas CEO MK III. I note that Dick Headeth has been fronting all the communications lately.
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Old 8th Aug 2014, 14:13
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I must say, he has been somewhat invisible of late.
Let's see who turns up to deliver the bad news when presenting the financial report.
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Old 8th Aug 2014, 16:08
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Let's see who turns up to deliver the bad news when presenting the financial report
Interesting, they are all coming out of the woodwork this week, with the exception of the little bloke.... I guess that's why he has so many CEO's these days, one Q domestic and one for Q Int (currently sharing the same AOC) I expect them to bob up in the next couple of days with their two cents worth to add to the confusion..

Jetstar Group chief executive Jayne Hrdlicka has defended the low-cost carrier's investments in Asia, saying the region represents a vital part of the future of the airline over the long term.


"We can sit back and dismiss all of this as an Asian distraction or we can play an active role in the world's largest growing aviation market, and that is our choice," she said at the CAPA Australia Pacific Aviation Summit on Friday, responding to critics of the investments, which have been mostly loss-making to date. "Asia is anything but a distraction."


Jetstar has arms in Singapore, Vietnam and Japan and is seeking approvals to set up Jetstar Hong Kong. In February, it froze growth in its Singapore arm as a result of tough market conditions that have led to losses.
"It was a clear signal the market was overcooked," she said. "All low-fares carriers in Singapore have since announced similar moves. South-east Asia is on the path to correction, which is great."


Ms Hrdlicka said the outlook for Jetstar Japan, which has been operating for two years, was particularly bright. The carrier is now the fourth largest domestic carrier in Japan in a market that grew by more than 8 per cent last year as a result of the introduction of budget airlines.


However, Jetstar Japan has yet to produce a profit. Ms Hrdlicka said Jetstar was realistic about the ability of the Asian ventures to do so within a few years of starting up.
So JH, we just keep bleeding brand "Qantas" dry whilst we are waiting to turn a profit now that it is clear the LCC market is over cooked? Not sure that we have a "few years" to find out...

WOW, great strategy, these guys will say anything, the media hook line and sinker again, oh that's right it was a CAPA organised event, say no more...
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Old 8th Aug 2014, 17:07
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Of less import than many posts here the followup to my expectation of QANTAS QF1 recently was fulfilled and exceeded.

Departed on time, perfectly clean, no service issues - ran like a dream.

Changed to Emirates in Dubai and to be quite frank their performance levels have slipped markedly. Boarding was both late and relatively disorganised and the cabin crew were average at best. Constant confusion, it seemed like there was a grand total of 2 crew members who knew what they were doing and had to take the initiative to tell the others who were gormlessly hanging around what to do - and by that I mean things like "go and get a refill tray" followed by "keep serving the drinks from where you served the last person" after a trolley had run out of something.

Probably just a one off but certainly the QANTAS crew had it all over Emirates from a customer service perspective.
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Old 8th Aug 2014, 17:08
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Actually, one thing EK did win on - CC uniforms. Exactly why QF staff are dressed like a trashy LCC I will never know. The Emirates crew uniform was far more polished.

Will see what happens on return journey.
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Old 8th Aug 2014, 22:31
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Meanwhile... In the real world..

BRIEF-Qantas cancelled 5 Airbus jets in July, Latam 4 jets | Reuters
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Old 8th Aug 2014, 22:41
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It ain't their money on the line after all
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Hit the nail on the head. Sums up the reason of our entire dire financial situation.

Had it been their OWN business, their OWN money - they would never have spent it like gambling addicts in Vegas.
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Old 9th Aug 2014, 03:28
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Its simple folks.
With the annual results due in under three weeks, the orchestrated play has begun in earnest to try and divert attention away from the real issue.

First diversion... The CFO throwing the idea up about somebody else buying in.Qantas predicts another airline will buy in now restrictions are looser

Olivia with this classic....Why the Qantas media team needs you
“We have a group of people who love social media who we call the young Qantas Angels,” Ms Wirth said.
“There are about 250 of them. They have gone through social media training. If there is a crisis and we need more people on social media, we bring them in and they join the room with our social media team.”
Is Qantas an airline to these people? Or some form of social experiment or political toy they like to run as the worst branch of labor/libs in the country?
And lets not forget Jetstar.....
http://centreforaviation.com/news/qa...oup-ceo-362572

And all of this within the last few days. Where's Alan btw?

It does make you wonder how poor the figures for QF would be if these people weren't at the helm.
To think they are about to deliver the worst figures in the company's history, never before achieved, with a reduced fleet and network for the mainline product. I wonder what their plan is to fix it. Blame others and sack others?

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