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Old 4th Jun 2014, 04:20
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Very true C441!
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Old 4th Jun 2014, 23:26
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Shark Patrol' used to be the Tasman but as Australian Qantas doesn't do this anymore I guess that term has migrated to the Mainland with the aircraft.
Great point! I noted this comment on Ben's blog this morning.. says it all really..

Qantas versus Piloting excellence-the axe swings again | Plane Talking

Qantas group currently has quite a few aircraft sat around completely idle or with only a few hours work per day.
It also has a significant number of under-utilised pilots.



In an ideal world, you would imagine that QF would have its sales & marketing teams working furiously to identify routes which these assets could be profitably operated.
One wonders whether, with a good business plan and a good-looking but realistic spreadsheet, investors might be prepared to back such an audacious plan.



Considering expanding your aviation business into new (or possibly old) areas at a time of strong market sector growth in the region is hardly going out on limb, business wise. (about 40 sec into this video Cash Flow Positive? - YouTube for those who missed it)


Or instead you can continue to spend $millions to buy & park the unused & unsellable aircraft, not to mention paying out a huge total amount in redundancy payments now, against a long-term reduction in future salaries.
Maybe there won’t be a Qantas in three years.?
If so, the redundancy savings will have evaporated,
AND



I don’t expect Qantas group can sell-on its unused A320′s until they’re at least 3 years old.
It’s time to get proper people in at the top.



With drive, ambition & a genuine Vision of the future for Qantas group, not just a wishy-washy generalisation. (You can’t get what you want, till you know what you want…. AJ doesn’t have (or at least display) any of that vision or drive)
Maybe it can’t be saved.
With the current CEO & Board, I’d agree.
Change those people, define a future & convince investors that it’s a plan that’ll work.

Put the finance in place & then convince the staff that its something worth supporting.
Then go out & make it work.!
Easy………
Airlines are a "people business" the current management team at Qantas has only sent "negative messages" about it's people, to its people for a long time now... so little wonder why things are the way they are...

I am convinced things would change for the better if the management would change tact, take a deep breath and sit down with the staff and nut out some solutions. I'm sure a lot of people would be willing to help out if shown a bit more respect...
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Old 4th Jun 2014, 23:32
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MERGED: Alan's still not happy......

On many forums, there are calls to replace the current senior executive management with competent people.

Unfortunately, those who are presently doing such a hatchet job, will be the chief deciders as to who replaces them. And following the stupid is stupid does theory, we will likely only see more of the same, if not worse management.

Time for external intervention by the real owners of Qantas, fund managers.
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Old 5th Jun 2014, 00:25
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[QUOTE]*public would continue to flee to the middle eastern / Asian carriers that they now seem to prefer.*
/QUOTE]

a bit off topic, but then again maybe THE topic.

I've just got back from Europe, flying Emirates (380 and 777s ). We stopped over in Singapore on the way back, and ended up, without realizing when booking, on QF52 (A330) for the last leg.

it occurred to me ( only briefly, because I knew the answer) what a bloody good thing it would be if the board and senior management occasionally flew around the world, down the back, incognito, using a few different carriers.

No one who did what we did would ever fly Qantas again.

Entertainment systems - Emirates screens 3 times the size ( even on their older 777), umpteen times more content.
Paper cups for tea/coffee, plastic cutlery, no newspapers (plenty lying around in Business when you get off), water bottles.

The whole feeling, coming straight off 3 legs with Emirates ( who, until we got to QF, I wasn't that impressed with - delays/buses to planes/stuff ups etc) was of a LCC.

No hope competing with old equipment and a penny pinching culture.
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Old 5th Jun 2014, 00:45
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cbradio

Think what you like about Tom Peters (In search of Excellence) but his latest book opens with this idea:

BFO #1: If you (RELIGIOUSLY) help people—EVERY SINGLE PERSON, JUNIOR OR SENIOR, LIFER OR TEMP—grow and reach/exceed their
perceived potential, then they in turn will bust their individual and collective butts to create great experiences for Clients—and the “bottom line” will get fatter and fatter and fatter. (ANYBODY LISTENING?)

(PEOPLE FIRST = MAXIMIZED PROFITABILITY. PERIOD.)
(ANYBODY LISTENING?)

(FYI: “People FIRST” message is 10X more urgent than ever in the high-engagement “AGE OF SOCIAL BUSINESS.”)
Call me crazy, but doesn't that just summarise in a few sentences all that is wrong in Elaine's World?

*BFO = Blinding Flash of the Obvious
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Old 5th Jun 2014, 04:05
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Jetstar axes selected Perth services /https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/bu...erth-services/



Amaaaaaazing...
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Old 5th Jun 2014, 05:18
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Qantas new bases

Melbourne for A380
Adelaide for B737

Qantas in drive to improve scheduling
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Old 5th Jun 2014, 05:24
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cbradio

Almost every airline in the world has varied product - eg. Emirates with its Business 2x3x2 in the 777s or 10-across in Y.

QF has announced plans for A330 new product, which I agree is very long overdue, and it is meant to be rolled out from the end of this year.

Qantas Business Suite business class seat Airbus A330 - Flights | hotels | frequent flyer | business class - Australian Business Traveller
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Old 5th Jun 2014, 05:36
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QF has announced plans for A330 new product, which I agree is very long overdue, and it is meant to be rolled out from the end of this year.
They have also announced it will take 2 years!!! to complete the fleet upgrade. This will be fine as long as they can convince all of their competitors to do absolutely nothing for 2 years.
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Old 5th Jun 2014, 05:53
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it occurred to me ( only briefly, because I knew the answer) what a bloody good thing it would be if the board and senior management occasionally flew around the world, down the back, incognito, using a few different carriers.
cbradio:
Fact 1. Many years ago I was flying back to SYD in Y and got talking to 2 senior QF people - I an executive (Head of Safety). I asked why they were not up the front and the Head of Safety stated that he wanted to see first hand what it was like to fly surrounded by smokers. This was the time when they were talking about banning smoking on international flights. Head of Safety was old school QF, he wanted to see for himself and that wouldn't happen now.

Fact 2. I worked with a guy who's best mate's mum worked at QF (true) apparently her job was to fly international to see how the opposition was going. When I said what a great job, he laughed as he though so as well but his his mate said, yeah but she only flies SQ business class. I wonder if they have such a team still (assume it was a team).

I always thought if when booking staff travel, how good it could be if you were randomly selected, received a call and asked if you'd be happy to fly X to your destination?
Could have been for a single traveler, a couple or a family. If booking in Y on QF they (staff travel) purchased a Y seat (or more) on airline X etc
Could have done this using staff from all levels, maybe not senior management, with the conditions that you completed a survey and return it to staff travel on your return.

OK QF may not have liked what they learnt but that would have been the whole idea, honest feedback. It would never happen though.
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Old 5th Jun 2014, 09:55
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Hotas

I fantastic deal for JQ passengers who have booked on the Brisbane to Perth City pair.

They have paid a JQ fare and will travel with QF once JQ are off that route.

MC.
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Old 5th Jun 2014, 11:47
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Not sure scoring Qantas on a Jetstar fare would be seen as a great deal. Not really enough between them to really make anyone whoop for joy. Its just sit down, grin and bear it for 4 hours.
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Old 5th Jun 2014, 13:38
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Brisbane to Perth has always been a high yield route, people wanting the cheapest are happy to go BNE-SYD-MEL-ADL-PER in a 14 hour marathon and save 5% on their fare...I am quite surprised that the star have pulled completely off the route though...
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Old 5th Jun 2014, 22:24
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people wanting the cheapest are happy to go BNE-SYD-MEL-ADL-PER in a 14 hour marathon and save 5% on their fare
I defy anyone to find a fare on your suggested route cheaper than what JQ/VA or QF are offering on BNE-PER. The various airport charges alone would make this very hard.

.I am quite surprised that the star have pulled completely off the route though..
Me too!! Their results must have been truly horrible.
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Old 5th Jun 2014, 22:29
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I was exaggerating slightly on the 4 sector marathon..
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Old 5th Jun 2014, 23:51
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where exactly does our "harden up princesses" old mate fly to out of his perth base nowadays?

soon, not lombok
not singapore?
not brisbane
bali?
not jakarta?
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Old 6th Jun 2014, 00:39
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So JQ come off BNE PER (which waren for you,it's bne crew) leaving the 'premium' 'mainline' 'business class' 'not dual brand' on the route and seem to still not be appeased?

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Old 6th Jun 2014, 01:21
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Come on wazza. Isn't the aim to do the least flying for the most money. Old mates probably the highest paid skipper on a pay vs hours flown in the country.
Plenty of time off with the reduced flying and still gets to go to Bali and Singapore to enjoy Summer.
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Old 6th Jun 2014, 02:50
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More Destinations

Just love the QF pop up ads on the SMH website - Its all about more destinations!!!!!!

Get real - talk about misleading!!!
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Old 6th Jun 2014, 02:56
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Pass me the Koolaide! Mine's running low...
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