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MERGED: Alan's still not happy......

Old 23rd Feb 2014, 03:54
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Progress Wanchai writes;

'What is NOT in their charter (or the charter of any company that any of us have ever invested in), is the national interest. Who's national interest?? What does that even mean??'

'Yes, Joe Hockey probably does act in the "National Interest" (I still have no idea what that means, other than it has all the hallmarks of being either xenophobic or bogan) but THAT'S HIS JOB.'

To answer all of your questions, perhaps you will attend a commemoration on the 25th of April, and be reminded, like we all should, of what national interest really is......

An eastern European friend recently commented that 'in effect' recent civil unrest in the Ukraine bears the same hallmarks of life here. 'Where everybody know your leader are off for dance with devil in pale moon light......' She also surmised that here, 'as long as beer is on fridge and food is in table, not make my problem'. She bleated on and on about stupid this, lazy that, bla, bla, bla, so I gave her something to chew on and reminded her exactly who's got the money.....

I don't know who the devil is in this instance, though you can bet one way or the other he or she likes the taste of money.......

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Old 23rd Feb 2014, 04:49
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so IF they did announce pilot redundancies (and i hope to god they dont!) who will they most likely target? the last on first off no matter how strict a seniority system is, seems like it can be by-passed these days through FWA. would it be 76 drivers? would all the pilot group try and negotiate all new conditions to save there colleagues? best of luck to you all. hope it doesn't happen.
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Old 23rd Feb 2014, 06:03
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would all the pilot group try and negotiate all new conditions to save there colleagues?
Go back and have a look at how the previous EBAs have been negotiated. To name just a few -
380 pay introduced at 400 pay +5%.
S/H pilots introduce a B scale in order to secure a payrise/bonus for current S/H pilots.
Senior guys fighting tooth and nail to stop any form of blankline sharing.
Over 60s sticking around (and back-bidding) for one reason only - the hope of redundancies. (Not a judgement, just a statement. Each of us has to be honest, if we were in their position most would do the same.)

It is why the company has the pilot group over a barrel. Pure self interest by most. There are those who would gladly negotiate new conditions to save their colleagues but they are out-numbered, and to be honest for what? The company's mindset is to destroy T&Cs of QF staff. Any 'give' by the pilot body will not result in a long term gain to the pilot body.

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Old 23rd Feb 2014, 07:24
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I can't imagine calls for the taxpayer being forced to become stockholders will help any current QF employees. The new board members of Tony Abbott and Eric Abetz will make Clifford look like Mother Teresa.


Originally Posted by Acute Instinct View Post
Subsidies that funnel profits to the few at the expense of many are simply immoral.
Personal political affiliation aside, that ^ is current Australian Liberal in a nutshell, sadly.


Try saying that down in the Oz politics thread and see how long you last!!
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Old 23rd Feb 2014, 07:26
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The problem we have here is that no matter how much 'the workers' want to work for a company that cares, looks after it staff and protects the brand, it is very rare in this day and age to find a board / CEO who want the same.

I don't know when we started to demand increased profitability year on year with everything else sacrificed for this goal. Yes it is good to have a profitable company, but most would accept that there will be 'lean' years where investment in equipment / expansion etc can lead to reduced profits or losses. Unfortunately we are just seeing Qantas do what a lot of other big companies are guilty of. Jetstar was set up as a blocker for Virgin, now it is being used as the 'growth' vehicle of the Qantas group due to only one thing, its cost base. The board / CEO / Shareholders don't give a sh*t if the staff who are proud of the Qantas name see this as destruction of the brand. What they are interested in is stripping Qantas mainline of all its perceived high cost elements to replace them with 'lesser costs'.

My pick is that the Qantas board have 'created' a whirlwind of feeling around the QSA / Unreasonable Unions etc and seem to have hooked the government into believing they need help. We will see massive cutbacks announced on the 27th, the Unions will be forced to accept big reductions in contracts which will effectively introduce 'B' scales and a new underclass of workers. I have noticed some pilots on here who are already talking about what the 'B' scale will look like. Once the costs are restructured we will find that options will be exercised for new aircraft to be flown / crewed / maintained by the cheapest bidders and the network will start to expand again. Backed by Government debt guarantees and support for wholesale changes to the QSA and FWA Qantas will emerge as a money making machine after which time the CEO / Board and Shareholders will pocket massive bonuses, leave the company with millions of dollars patting themselves on the back whilst the staff remain on the new 'improved' conditions.
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Old 23rd Feb 2014, 07:41
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would all the pilot group try and negotiate all new conditions to save there colleagues?
That would be completely pointless. The management would never allow this to happen. They don't want Australian employees, the end game is to outsource overseas. What will happen this Thursday is just a transition stage of a much grander plan. To try and negotiate lower wages in order to save jobs would not fit in with this plan.

Maybe this $300 million dollar loss could be a one-off hit from the cost of Project Marlin that has been placed on the balance sheets in order to hoodwink the government and Aussie public into thinking they are in dire straits. How else does one explain the recent sharebuy back and its apparent poor timing?

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Old 23rd Feb 2014, 09:58
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That certainly puts things in perspective. A $300M half year loss and the sky is falling in. Yet $300M to introduce Maintenix, the world's most farked computerised maintenance system, and it's high fives all round!
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Old 23rd Feb 2014, 10:55
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That certainly puts things in perspective. A $300M half year loss and the sky is falling in. Yet $300M to introduce Maintenix, the world's most farked computerised maintenance system, and it's high fives all round!

Don't forget the fortune spent on eQ.
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Old 23rd Feb 2014, 11:12
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Heard grief councillors will be on hand Thursday. Doesn't sound good. Though nothing will surprise
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Old 23rd Feb 2014, 11:58
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If that is actually true SNAFU, then that is a very big worry.
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Old 23rd Feb 2014, 13:22
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"Don't forget the fortune spent on eQ"

They spent money on eQ?

Given how hopeless it is, I had always assumed it had been set-up by a First Year IT uni student in his/her spare time!
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Old 23rd Feb 2014, 17:24
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Lets take a step back - 6 months ago, things were OK. Yes INTL was still losing lots of money but the fact it was improving was seen as a good thing. DOM was still profitable, albiet down because of the capacity war. The big message was that things were heading slowly in the right direction.

Besides VA getting $300m, what has changed so drastically? Yes fuel has gone up too but it is a worry that the airline is in such a poor position in such a short space of time. Of course the managers who made the decisions that contributed won't be the ones losing thier jobs on Thursday, just the rest of the workers who make the airline what it is
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Old 23rd Feb 2014, 18:18
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there must be some very distracted flight decks out there by now.

afaik no mention of this from casa, qf or even aipa. qf's propensity to drag this stuff out is appalling

take care guys
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Old 23rd Feb 2014, 20:25
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Yep, that's right Waren and the joke, the very bad joke is that when
the Airline was grounded by Management, they grounded QF Domestic
even though they were in no way involved in the QF International EBA
negotiations or PIA.

Hypocrisy Bueller ??

As has already been said, you couldn't write this stuff.
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Old 24th Feb 2014, 00:07
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there must be some very distracted flight decks out there by now.

afaik no mention of this from casa, qf or even aipa. qf's propensity to drag this stuff out is appalling
Distracted maintenance crews too.
Uncertainty and apprehension leads to mistakes. CASA etc should be demanding that this situation is resolved ASAP.
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Old 24th Feb 2014, 00:22
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Distracted maintenance crews too.
Uncertainty and apprehension leads to mistakes. CASA etc should be demanding that this situation is resolved ASAP.
Nope.

CASA are not interested UNTIL you make a mistake. They can't provide the basic oversight as they are much too interested in protecting themselves from scrutiny during the review.
You guys on the ground and in the air need to be focussed for everyone's sakes.
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Old 24th Feb 2014, 00:42
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You guys on the ground ... need to be focussed for everyone's sakes.
Like BGA, always focussed, striving for excellence in every area and with a keen eye on the future of the company.
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Old 24th Feb 2014, 02:07
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Rudd/Gillard already used CASA to ground Tiger to try and help QF and screw SQ again but "nothing can help QF"

QF ARE GOING TO GET WHAT THEY DISHED OUT FOR THE LAST 30 Years its over !!!! United/Delta/(Pan Am bless them )Virgin/Singapore/ANZ are watching and laughing.

Take it like you dish it out and stop crying...
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Old 24th Feb 2014, 02:28
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Rudd/Gillard already used CASA to ground Tiger to try and help QF and screw SQ again but "nothing can help QF"
Well there's one I haven't heard before!
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Old 24th Feb 2014, 02:30
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there must be some very distracted flight decks out there by now.
Well to put a slightly positive note amongst all this gloom, if our friend GT is to be believed the majority of of job cuts will be amongst non operational staff. More LWOP, less progression and maybe VR's but no pilots left jobless at least?

Jobs go in Qantas shake-up - Yahoo!7

It is understood the staff cuts will be across-the-board and will focus on management and backroom staff.
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